To ask if anyone has a link to get the flights to Rwanda?

[Theonlywayisupnow]

I want to go. I have probably 20 years left on this planet. I would rather join their community I’d rather see the amazing wildlife they have, I’d rather come home to their amazing ecological wonders and their community than dwindle here at the confines of what my culture calls freedom. I’ve always felt outside of what my culture calls normal . I’ve been beaten and abused and made terrible choices based on survival , and I can’t help feeling that my life choices would have been better in a place like this, I would have been kept safe. I want to take my children. I want to live among a community that takes its kids lives seriously. I want to be there where everyone matters. I sit in north London now, but I believe my kids would be better off in Rwanda. I want to go home.

No idea what you mean, OP, but I hope you find peace and happiness wherever you reside. I know how difficult it is to feel out of place

@Vet73 thanks. It’s a sense of difference. The world is at a difficult place at the moment. We’re all struggling. Of all the countries in the world though, ours isn’t more than anyone else. We don’t want peoples pity. We’re doing okay. We’re getting on with it, we’re sending a high five to everyone else. My kids live a life whereby they experience the political shit they have to deal with, they are aware of far too much, but they’ve never experienced hardship, I have , I’ve slept under a piece of carpet, I’ve had to sell my time to creepy old men, I’ve had to sell my soul to survive, I’ve had to argue with myself for the right to survive: I’ve come to the conclusion that humans aren’t safe people. I’m inclined to look for tribal families now.

Are you actually from Rwanda? Or do you think you're just going to go and live there, among the tribal families?

KLM flies to Kigali.

Do you come from Rwanda? You speak of going home, do you have family or friends in the area who can help you go back?

I’m half Rwandan. Well my Dad was from there anyway. But I’ve never met my Dad. He disappeared into the ethereal mess of men who are hopeless and do nothing for their kids. They run away from responsibility. he did nothing , he was too ashamed to be a disappointment. It’s all too common. But the women raise really healthy happy kids. Kids with massive aspirations and high aspirations. Aspirations to improve the world. Not themselves. No aspirations to get wealthy , just to help their own communities.

So is it something you can make plans to do? Have you looked into it? If you want to go then start the ball rolling and see if it is something you can achieve. Do you have dual citizenship? Do you have any family based there?

@EvilElsa I’ve been here since I was a toddler, I don’t really know any other culture. But my friends that have worked here, paid into to the system from The Middle East for years and are at risk of being sent away in the new system, I feel are being abused , I feel more solidarity with them than any one else, I feel I want to take their hands and lead them to Africa because at least they’ll be welcome .

grass is always greener.
Why do you think Rwandans are so great given your only experience of them is your father?
i think people are the same the world over

@EvilElsa yes. I’m already to go to embracing the indigenous lifestyle .i can’t speak on behalf of everyone else in my household so i just have to do what they want. I can maintain an ideology without it becoming a conflict their lifestyle choices,

Just book a flight and go. You could have a flight booked in 10 mins. See if its what you're looking for...you sound very disillusioned.

@Commonhousewitch Rwanda is to British people a certain way of imagining things Some if us just want to stop this

Thanks. My husband has been a doctor and worked in the nhs for years. But we’ll sent home now.

You want to lead people to Africa? Which part? All of it? And what do the various kinds of people on the plethora of cultures in "Africa" think of this idea?

Many places and tribes in Africa have their own problems. It sounds like you need a friend tonight. And perhaps some mental health support going forward because it sounds like you are having a tough time. Please call a friend d if you can.

Take care of yourself

You'll be aware of what happened in 1994?

All international flights arrive at Kigali International Airport, just 10km from Kigali city centre. Nationals of all countries receive a visa on arrival at Kigali International Airport and all land borders.

Airlines servicing Kigali International Airport are: RwandAir, Kenya Airways, Ethiopian Airlines, Brussels Airlines, KLM, Qatar Airways and Turkish Airlines.

Helicopter transfers within Rwanda are available through Akagera Aviation.

@ChateauDuMont thanks I’m still going home and I’m taking my kids. My best friend has just lost her right to be in the U.K. . Best of luck , but we’re going home . I’m going back to Rwanda, she’s going home to Eastern Europe I really hope they’ve got enough workers .fuck them.

OP are you talking about being part of the completely bonkers Tory plan for Rwanda?
Not sure its something you can do voluntarily

OP, are you aware that there is a group of asylum seekers who will not be sent to Rwanda? Perhaps unsurprisingly, those from Rwanda. Of the 25 asylum claims made by Rwandans in the UK decided in 2022, 5 were accepted & 5 rejected; but on review, those latter 5 were also accepted (statistics from World Data: “Asylum applications and refugees in the United Kingdom”). The UK government declaring Rwanda a “safe third country” despite human rights organisations & the Courts saying otherwise doesn’t magically make it so.

Do you speak Kinyarwanda? Swahili? About 20% of the population speak that latter vs the 8% who speak French or the 5% who speak English (NB some estimates put the proportion of English speakers at only 1%).

Are you aware to claim your citizenship by origin you need to (amongst other things) present 3 Rwandan witnesses who are blood related and know him/her well? It’s not clear if your children would then be able to claim once you have your citizenship; or if they’ve similar rules to Ireland (there’s a cut-off point for claiming citizenship by origin whereby some people’s children can get citizenship with their parents but others can’t if their parent wasn’t legally Irish at the time their child was born).

Are either/both of your kids female? Because you might want to consider FemNet’s 2022 Report if so. Are they school age? How would you feel about them boarding as is usual for senior secondary? (The Kigali US Embassy has a quite detailed info page on the Rwandan education system).

What does your DH think? Is he also Rwandan? Are [both of] you planning to work there?

As a PP said - you are aware, when you talk about tribes, of the Rwandan genocide? Over 800,000 - perhaps as many as 1 million - people slaughtered simply for belonging to the minority Tutsi group. About 75% of the Tutsi tribe were brutally murdered; often by people they’d considered friends, people who’d been their neighbours for years. Approximately 2 million Rwandans (including perpetrators of the genocide) fled the country in the aftermath of that dreadful 100 days; 1 million people were internally displaced - & 75,000 of the survivors of the genocide were orphaned children. (Statistics from World Vision). Given the amount of work that’s been done since the genocide on stressing that Hutu/Tutsi/Twi all are human & not so different etc, an outsider - & that’s how you’ll be seen - banging on about tribes will go down like an entire bucket, never mind a mere cup, of cold sick. Or are you thinking more of the Ubwoko/clans? Do you know which you belong to?

The Rwanda Plan is truly shameful & I just hope that the Lords firmly shut it down. It’s a disgraceful way to treat asylum seekers; & our government has (yet again) thrown shocking sums of money at their attempts to be grossly inhumane.

The changes to family & spousal visas are grim too - “please abandon your spouse &/or child[ren] to come & alleviate our desperate shortage of nurses/carers”: doesn’t that sound super? Who wouldn’t want to rush straight to this soggy archipelago?! (Would this be the change that’s impacted your friend?)

I fear, OP, you may be chasing utopia. I’m not surprised you’re feeling worn down by things at the moment & goodness knows the UK isn’t all milk/honey/golden paving (etc); but Rwanda certainly isn’t either. Please have a chat with someone IRL as well as us: deciding to leap off to a different continent is a huge thing & possibly this is an unfortunate combination of hyperbole/online drama + my little autistic brain not always copping on + said little autistic brain being made fuzzy by fever but I am a wee bit worried about you. (Hence the very long reply & still being awake. Awake[ish].)

I've been to Rwanda, it's a beautiful country and the wildlife is amazing. I certainly wouldn't want to live there. You sound incredibly naive.

Why do you think you'll be sent anywhere? Are you an asylum seeker who came here on a small boat? Or are you actually British/have the right to reside here?
Rwanda sounds like a great country to live in many ways (one of my closest friends lives there) but it's not a tribal paradise and plenty of children go hungry and neglected just like they do everywhere in the world. I don't think you can just tip up in a village in Rwanda and say you want to live like a tribal person...

In all seriousness you sound quite distressed (or drunk...?) and I hope you get some relief today when you wake up. The grass isn't greener and I doubt your kids would thank you.

I think you need to stop romanticising Rwanda.

It’ll have its own problems too. You mention you have kids - really think about your decision. Maybe a few holidays before you move out there?

Same

If you are a Rwandan national then book a flight and go. Not sure what the point of this thread is - you seem to want to debate what should be a very personal private decision.

What @TooFondOfBooks said. Excellent post.