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"Public sector - so no"

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OhpoorMe · 11/12/2023 11:00

Anyone else get quite frustrated seeing this on threads about Christmas parties/ bonuses / staff perks etc

The public sector isn't one homogenous organisation. I've only ever worked in PS organisations and have always had a paid for staff party, sometimes bonuses, sometimes perks etc.

It's not a given that public sector = badly treated!

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RedHelenB · 12/12/2023 10:16

OhpoorMe · 11/12/2023 11:00

Anyone else get quite frustrated seeing this on threads about Christmas parties/ bonuses / staff perks etc

The public sector isn't one homogenous organisation. I've only ever worked in PS organisations and have always had a paid for staff party, sometimes bonuses, sometimes perks etc.

It's not a given that public sector = badly treated!

I never have. Be interested to know your job.

Jeffsmeffsmiff · 12/12/2023 10:19

@Heyhoherewegoagain career average is bloody brilliant though! Id take that! Blimey. Much better than have a defined contribution pot that's likely to pay out about £100 a month!

Jeffsmeffsmiff · 12/12/2023 10:20

And I'd MUCH rather the pension than a pointless swanky party every year. And I currently get neither (work for a charity) so that is an objective choice.

Heyhoherewegoagain · 12/12/2023 10:21

Jeffsmeffsmiff · 12/12/2023 10:19

@Heyhoherewegoagain career average is bloody brilliant though! Id take that! Blimey. Much better than have a defined contribution pot that's likely to pay out about £100 a month!

I do know and appreciate that, but it’s yet another set of goalposts which have been changed and not for the better.

As I say though I know there’s a door for me to leave and I’ve chosen not to-for my sins I do actually enjoy what I do!(operational emergency service )

KimberleyClark · 12/12/2023 10:21

fitzwilliamdarcy · 11/12/2023 16:09

Bonuses? I'd just like to stop having do free overtime! Service need is increasing exponentially whilst we're haemorrhaging staff to the private sector.

But any perk given to the public sector - or indeed any basic expectation such as not having to work for free - is met with sniffing about taxpayers money, so I can't see it happening.

As a former (now retired) public sector worker I once had someone tell me that my going on holiday was a waste of taxpayers’ money.

Heyhoherewegoagain · 12/12/2023 10:23

@KimberleyClark lets not forget “I pay your wages”

errrm I think you’ll find we fund a good chunk of our wages as taxpayers too!

TheKeatingFive · 12/12/2023 10:26

Final salary is only attributable to co tribulations till 2015 in my pension, thereafter it’s career average

Still infinitely better than the alternative options

Heyhoherewegoagain · 12/12/2023 10:37

@TheKeatingFive pros and cons to everything, and in my sector it’s all contributory too

Shakeylegs · 12/12/2023 10:38

I’m a 20+ year public sector veteran. I can’t remember a paid for do of any kind.

But that’s the deal I signed up to. The other half of that deal is a fantastic pension. When I retire at 60 on more than the median salary I won’t regret not having freebies along the way.

TheKeatingFive · 12/12/2023 10:41

pros and cons to everything

If you have a direct benefit pension, that is very much firmly in the 'pro' camp.

daffodilandtulip · 12/12/2023 10:43

I worked Christmas Day one year and the management boasted for weeks that they would be providing a Christmas lunch for all staff.

We got a happy meal type box with one sandwich of Turkey, a packet of crisps and a mince pie. Amazing.

Heyhoherewegoagain · 12/12/2023 10:57

daffodilandtulip · 12/12/2023 10:43

I worked Christmas Day one year and the management boasted for weeks that they would be providing a Christmas lunch for all staff.

We got a happy meal type box with one sandwich of Turkey, a packet of crisps and a mince pie. Amazing.

And I bet you were expected to fall over yourself with gratitude!!

We take our own-organise a buffet and we all contribute -I work with feeders 😂

bombastix · 12/12/2023 11:49

Shakeylegs · 12/12/2023 10:38

I’m a 20+ year public sector veteran. I can’t remember a paid for do of any kind.

But that’s the deal I signed up to. The other half of that deal is a fantastic pension. When I retire at 60 on more than the median salary I won’t regret not having freebies along the way.

That is the deal. A much lower wage than an equivalent private sector job, but the pension makes up for that. It's like a long term golden handcuff

Jeffsmeffsmiff · 12/12/2023 15:51

The thing is though "A much lower wage than an equivalent private sector job" isn't necessarily even true. I admit it often is, but the pension is ALWAYS better. And since this thread was about lack of Christmas parties or bonus, rather than pay anyway, I'd say for a comparison public sector does a lot better! But either way. I work for the 3rd sector (charity) so we don't get any of it 🙄

ginoohginoginelli · 12/12/2023 15:54

Shakeylegs · 12/12/2023 10:38

I’m a 20+ year public sector veteran. I can’t remember a paid for do of any kind.

But that’s the deal I signed up to. The other half of that deal is a fantastic pension. When I retire at 60 on more than the median salary I won’t regret not having freebies along the way.

That's certainly not the case for everyone in the public sector by a long chalk. For starters I can't claim my pension till I'm 67 and there is not a chance in hell I'll be able to do my NHS job till I'm 67!

RosePetals86 · 12/12/2023 15:55

I work in public sector- never had a funded Xmas do comes out of our own pockets so a good excuse to avoid if you’re not wanting to go!

Shakeylegs · 12/12/2023 15:57

ginoohginoginelli · 12/12/2023 15:54

That's certainly not the case for everyone in the public sector by a long chalk. For starters I can't claim my pension till I'm 67 and there is not a chance in hell I'll be able to do my NHS job till I'm 67!

You can claim your pension early, just with a discount. Same as me.

Jeffsmeffsmiff · 12/12/2023 16:01

Come on people. Please don't moan about public sector pensions. They are pretty much the best deals anyone gets aren't they?
I know they used to be even better but you guys still get better than the rest of us.

ginoohginoginelli · 12/12/2023 16:12

Jeffsmeffsmiff · 12/12/2023 16:01

Come on people. Please don't moan about public sector pensions. They are pretty much the best deals anyone gets aren't they?
I know they used to be even better but you guys still get better than the rest of us.

I want to make sure people understand that the NHS pension age is 67 in line with state pension age. Yes you can take it earlier but you obviously get less money. Local authority, civil service (and possibly teaching but maybe not) have earlier retirement ages.

Jeffsmeffsmiff · 12/12/2023 16:19

That's normal though isn't it? You can take it at 60 but you've paid in less so you get less out? How else could it work?

Enterthewolves · 12/12/2023 16:43

Sorry but I agree with everyone else, you don’t work in the public sector - you work in a sector funded through the public purse. So you are not directly employed by a public sector body (local government, central government or NHS). I’ve worked in the charity, and public sector and for a QUANGO - public sector definitely never got bonuses or a Christmas do - charity and QUANGO did

Bluevelvetsofa · 12/12/2023 16:49

No paid lunch, dinner or party. It was either everyone bring something to share, or we collected money to buy stuff. Or we went out for a meal we paid for.

Thedogscollar · 12/12/2023 16:50

OhpoorMe · 11/12/2023 11:12

Im in public sector policy outside of central gov. Have worked public funded non profits before too which have bonuses (up to 10%) based on performance

In that case then you need to change your user name to Ohluckyme

Heyhoherewegoagain · 12/12/2023 17:04

ginoohginoginelli · 12/12/2023 16:12

I want to make sure people understand that the NHS pension age is 67 in line with state pension age. Yes you can take it earlier but you obviously get less money. Local authority, civil service (and possibly teaching but maybe not) have earlier retirement ages.

I’m not sure where you’re getting your information re pension age.

To receive a full LA pension, you pay into it for 40 years, I can get my full pension if I stay till I’m 61, because I started paying into it when I was 21.

If you access it early, of course it’ll be proportionately lower.

67 is the current STATE pension age.

BIossomtoes · 12/12/2023 17:07

Heyhoherewegoagain · 12/12/2023 17:04

I’m not sure where you’re getting your information re pension age.

To receive a full LA pension, you pay into it for 40 years, I can get my full pension if I stay till I’m 61, because I started paying into it when I was 21.

If you access it early, of course it’ll be proportionately lower.

67 is the current STATE pension age.

It’s the same in the NHS, once you’ve contributed for 40 years you can stop pension contributions - and carry on working if you wish - because 40 years is the limit.