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To think that Wonka was unnecessarily sexual for a kids film?

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Bambooshoot · 10/12/2023 15:32

Just seen Wonka with my son snd really enjoyed it, (loved High Grant as an Oompa Loompa, even though I usually don’t like him, he was perfect!!) . . . but I was wondering why they needed to shoehorn some weirdly sexual stuff into a kids film?

I’m talking about why they had to make the other chocolatiers so demonstratively sexual (dancing with fans up their arses/crowbarring in homosexuality etc) instead of just making them wonderfully evil, (which is quite possible to do), and why all that nonsense with the couple running the workhouse getting all steamy, and him in shorts and close ups of him bending over etc? The original film had nothing on a sexual level unless I missed it, and I can’t see why it was needed here, my son didn’t find it funny, just “cringe” and he hated the bit where they kissed at the end. What was it for? I thought it kind of spoiled the film. I used to be very open minded, have I just become a massive prude in my (relatively) old age?!!

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SleepingStandingUp · 10/12/2023 18:25

Changednamesorry · 10/12/2023 17:55

If it makes you feel better I took my 12/6/1 year olds to see it on Thursday and the trailer shown before was "Anatomy of a fall" which is an 18 😅 (Spain less strict about such things!)

Wonka was lovely 🙂

Impressed your 1 yo say through it but incidentally the trailer clip has to be a PG not the actual movie.

NoCloudsAllowed · 10/12/2023 18:27

The original film has some shocking four-in-a-bed scenes.

I did not need to know what those grandparents got up to.

SleepingStandingUp · 10/12/2023 18:28

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Say what?

There's a song in frozen about naked whipping?

But Elsa does hate herself and think she's a monster. Hence running off to the mountains and pushing her sister away for so long

Hopelesscase32 · 10/12/2023 18:36

Christ. Massive over reaction my 5 year old went and she loved it.
If the evil trio were supposed to be gay I never noticed at all

Fivepigeons · 10/12/2023 18:36

You are being unreasonable because its not really a 'kids film' is it? Its a film clearly designed and market to appeal to a broad age group. And not to younger kids at all really. My 5yo certainly wouldn't be interested in it.. my 8yo possibly.. but its basically for older children and adults.
You are not being unreasonable to dislike it.. thats up to you. But I do think its aimed at an older audience than the original Charlie and the chocolate factory film.. and I also think the stuff you've described isn't really that sexual is it? Bit of panto level smut to make adults laugh. Would go straight over any young child head.

Ramalangadingdong · 10/12/2023 18:37

I didn't see any of that, op. I just saw a really charming film. I loved spending an hour or so in the world of the film - a lovely escape from reality, a great Christmas film. What on earth did you and your dc see. And so horrible that now others who might not have seen it before may now see that and spoil their enjoyment.

jays · 10/12/2023 18:41

Booksandwine80 · 10/12/2023 15:37

I didn’t think it WAS a kids film?

You didn’t think that Wonka was a movie aimed at children? Who on earth was it aimed at then? would adults go to the movies to watch a Wonka movie at Christmas? Seriously? Why? Why would that ever happen? It’s based on Charlie And the Chocolate Factory… it’s not Joker! I honestly despair.

Booksandwine80 · 10/12/2023 18:43

You need to get out more or do some yoga or something 🤣@jays

IAmAnIdiot123 · 10/12/2023 18:47

AngeloMysterioso · 10/12/2023 17:27

Funny how nobody ever complains about heterosexuality being “crowbarred in”.

To be fair I actually get a bit bored of sex scenes in movies between all different sexualities being shoehorned in and more often than not they are heterosexual. I'm not a prude in the slightest, just find it a bit boring if it is there just for the sake of it.

I haven't seen Wonka but from the comments it is more flamboyance the OP was having an issue with. I thought from the OP comment that there was a scene with men shoving fans up their arse so am very glad to read that was just my tired interpretation of a nonsense post 🤣🤣🤣

Ihatemondaymorning · 10/12/2023 18:48

Ok so I should take my previous comments back because I said I didn’t notice there being any real issues but I had not also noticed Matt Lucas was in it 😂🤣 maybe I was I asleep after all !

DarkDarkNight · 10/12/2023 18:48

I took my son on Friday and we both absolutely loved it. Yes there was the ‘romance’ between the 2 at the laundry but as a previous poster said that was so Noodle could sneak Wonka out. I didn’t notice any dancing with fans up their arses?! I don’t think the villains came across as homosexual and wouldn’t see it as a problem anyway. They were just over-the-top cartoonish villains.

listsandbudgets · 10/12/2023 18:49

Just come back from this a couple of hours ago. Over all I enjoyed it

The chocolate cartel were meant to be homosexual? I can't say that I realised - personally I thought they were just an evil chocolate mafia type set up - if they were gay it wasn't very overt or it simply passed me by as I was more interested in the story than the bum flowers (if there were any)

As for the lederhosen - just a piss take of his supposed German nobility status - my 11 year old did comment (and I quote) "mum I reckon his penis must be really uncomfy in those"

Nancydrawn · 10/12/2023 18:55

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Um, "Hygge" (the song you're talking about) was written by husband-and-wife team Robert Lopez and Kristen Anderson-Lopez.

Do you think directors write the songs for their shows?

QueSyrahSyrah · 10/12/2023 18:56

@jays DH and I went today, no children with us unless you count the one in-utero. About 60% of the audience were adults without kids. 1pm showing on a Sunday.

3 weeks ago I went to see the new Disney film Wish on a weekend afternoon, a few more kids but plenty of adults without kids too.

I didn't realise PG and U films were EXCLUSIVE to children...

Ramalangadingdong · 10/12/2023 18:57

Wow...Fans up their arses? I am going to have to watch that movie again - if I can find a young person to go with (or on second thoughts as I am watching for the sex this time I'd better not). First time I saw it I attended with an 18 year old Chalemet fan who has to see everything he appears in. She didn't notice any sex either.

I am looking forward to seeing it again as it could prove a spicier (fruitier?) ........*watch than the first time.

*insert carry-on type innuendo

Differentstarts · 10/12/2023 18:58

I don't know what your talking about but the film was terrible

underneaththeash · 10/12/2023 19:02

Precipice · 10/12/2023 17:14

PGs are children's films. The next step up over PG is a 12, so PGs are films which should be fine for children under that age. I'm not claiming it's the Teletubbies, but PGs are generally aimed at children sort of 8-10, no? This is a content rating and it might be a film that people over that age enjoy - Paddington is a PG film, largely for children, though one that adults can enjoy, but that too has a couple of sexual references.

Not always. They are films which contain nothing overtly offensive or scary. Like Groundhog Day or DrivIng Miss Daisy.

I thought it was fun (I would have preferred it being more like the book and slightly more dark). Hugh Grant was good.

@Bambooshoot you were seeing things that weren’t there which is telling in itself!

Rocksonabeach · 10/12/2023 19:08

I must have fallen alseep I didn’t see any gay references or sex ones 😂

theprincessthepea · 10/12/2023 19:09

I didn’t find it sexual at all. Quite a lot of the old movies have a romantic part and adults kissing, usually at the end.

I think most jokes go over children’s heads as they are innocent. I rewatched a few shoes I grew up with - even cartoons and I was amazed at how many references to sex there were - but young innocent me never picked it up.

Also it sound weird but kids are always joking about bums and farts - never in a sexual way - I don’t find that humour funny personally but I heard a few chuckles in the cinema.

ScrambledSmegs · 10/12/2023 19:11

Just watched it and didn't spot any of this stuff - except for the very mild Scrubbit and Bleacher stuff.

Now I want to watch it again!

I did enjoy it, although Willy Wonka was significantly nicer than I remember him in the books. He's definitely a sociopath in those!

MissAmbrosia · 10/12/2023 19:18

Im still slightly traumatised by watching Call Me By Your Name (with same Timothee) with dd - who said it was her favourite film ever.

Freetodowhatiwant · 10/12/2023 19:19

I've just seen it too and LOVED it and didn't even think about any sexual references at all!! I think we were watching a different film :)

tachetastic · 10/12/2023 19:21

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I'm sorry I don't understand this post at all.

Are you suggesting that all gay men are self-loathing, alcoholic, fetishists? And that gay women, bisexuals and straight people aren't?

For goodness sake, next you'll be blaming gay men for the cost of living crisis, the invasion of Ukraine, global warming and Meghan Markle.

goodgriefsean · 10/12/2023 19:22

We went this afternoon and both my kids loved it. Guess if my 6 year old turns out to be an evil gay I'll have only myself to blame eh 🙄 What nonsense. It's a silly funny kids film with a bit of panto-esque camp.

anon666 · 10/12/2023 19:24

I haven't seen it but it sounds horrendous, like Benny Hill.

I always find it odd that the slightly camp innuendos that might have filtered into children's entertainment have been taken over by overtly sexualised gay /drag acts.

Don't get me wrong, I am not homophobic etc but I feel children's' entertainment should be fairly tame, whether hetero or homosexual. Not explicitly sexual.

Cringing as I wrote this in case I'm seen as some kind of Mary Whitehouse banging on about standards of decency.