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noragrats · 30/11/2023 21:39

I generally put everyone else first before me and so I’m struggling with this one because I think the only way to be happy is to sacrifice someone else’s happiness. I would appreciate some completely and utter honesty and constructive advice on how to move forward.

My mum wanted to retire early, me and my husband want to buy a house but the rent where we live “down south” is high so was looking to be unfeasible.

As I had just had a new baby, mum suggested we give it notice in at our rental and move in with her. She lives in a 3 bed alone so there was room for me, our son and our newborn. We could live there for 2 years and hopefully on my 60k salary be able to save up and buy a house up north near one of my company’s other offices.

We reckoned we could put away maybe £1500 a month, so 2 to 3 years. I haven’t lived with mum for 20 years and don’t see her an awful lot - which meant I was naive.

So, a year ago we moved in. She quit her job and she spends her days providing childcare as “grandchildren should be at home”. I tried to sign up our now 1 year old to nursery and she was having none of it.

I am at the end of my tether. I am late 30s and I cannot handle being spoken to like I am a teenager, I gently tapped our sons hand when he grabbed the dogs fur and she said “don’t do that, you mustn’t hit him”. I have turned into this horrific horrible person who snaps the second she breathes, who can’t even be in the same room. I was working from home, I’m now back in the office as I just cannot handle it. My husband only works part time for health reasons, he’s taken to sitting in the caravan just to get away from her. If he tries to take our son out for a walk with the dog - she even tells him how to use the pram. Every time! Every evening I am upstairs. My son doesn’t leave his bedroom, I eat my tea in bed…at 38!!!

In return for us living there rent free, I pay for all of her/our bills. She hasn’t taken a pension yet so her only income is me. She isn’t wealthy at all, she inherited a house which needs so much working doing.

I thought this would be fine, I thought she’d had a hard life when she was married to dad and she’s been very lonely so she’d love to have the kids around (she does) but she wouldn’t be so controlling. Not only that but she is filthy and doesn’t clean. Now I would imagine there are gasps at the audacity, but let me tell you, every surface is cluttered and there is a singular square of surface usable in the kitchen. Every single time I go to the washing up bowl - she appears and says “I’m about to do that”. Every time I start to clean surfaces, move the toasted to clean underneath she tells me I need to use Ecover not whatever I’ve picked up. If I start to clean the oven, she appears to tell me it’s self cleaning…if I start to clean the bathroom - she pops her head out of the toilet and garbles “not the bleach not the bleach”. She doesn’t let me do the laundry, she has PHYSICALLY wrestled the Lenor Unstoppables from me. I bought a new bedding set “ooh it’s got polyester in it” to which I turned into a raging beast and threatened to lob it at her. I am 38…not 18. I bought washing up liquid and was criticised for not price checking it and for not driving another ten minutes to ASDA where it’s on offer. “Have you tested DS2s milk temperature, have you walked the dog, have you checked if DS1 has PE tomorrow, have you checked your tyre pressure”.

I’ve turned into a horrible beast of a human and I’m going to ruin our relationship.

If I move out, she doesn’t have a job, She gave everything up for us. She’ll feel abandoned. I love her but dear lord I do not like her and it breaks my heart.

How do I fix this? She raised me, she’s given up so much for me and the siblings. I thought this would be good and we’d be fine and then she’d only have a couple of years before pension. I have royally fucked up.

OP posts:
flowerchild2000 · 30/11/2023 21:44

Read your first sentence to yourself aloud and ask yourself if that's really how you want to live.

itsmylife7 · 30/11/2023 21:44

She can get a lodger (after you've all moved out )who likes being
" looked after " that will solve the money issue.

Cherrysoup · 30/11/2023 21:47

How is she proposing to finance herself when you buy and move out? Is she expecting you to invite her to live with you? I think you need to ignore her faffing round and turn a deaf ear. What is your timeline for getting out of there?

Santaiswashinghissleigh · 30/11/2023 21:50

Sorry op but now you have dc they come before your dm... They must be aware of the tension.. Move out ASAP. Before your marriage suffers..

PippyLongTits · 30/11/2023 21:50

How much have you saved and how far would it go towards a deposit?

Does mum have friends/other family/hobbies to focus on? If not, perhaps you could encourage her towards some clubs/groups/classes/activities through which she might meet other like-minded individuals.

Why did she give up full time work to provide childcare if your husband is home part time? Could she not get a part time job?

If you move out earlier than expected would she get a job? Get a lodger? Rely on savings? How would she fund herself if something happened to you?

Octavia64 · 30/11/2023 21:54

If you move out she will be able to get a lodger or two.

That will pay her bills.

Clearly you need to move out.

noragrats · 30/11/2023 21:56

She has no savings, she couldn’t really get a lodger as the house is falling apart - any lodger would move out within days. The carpet is from the 60s, fairly certain I’m going to need to pay for the guttering to be cleaned as it looks like there is water coming in somewhere. You couldn’t do any work to the house anyway, if you want to use the washing machine you’ve got to fit the laundry in through the 3 inch gap between the door and whatever pile of rubbish she hasn’t got rid of yet.

Luckily our son isn’t walking but the second he does, he’s going to pull something and an avalanche of crap is going to fall on him.

I think she thought we would live there until she was of pension age? Maybe she thought she’d get a new job but she struggles to get through interviews.

I am entirely responsible for this, I should have said no.

OP posts:
cheeseandketchupsandwich · 30/11/2023 21:59

Move out.

Put your kids first.

She can then sell the house and move somewhere much smaller and affordable.

TomatoSandwiches · 30/11/2023 22:02

You need to move out for your own sake and your sons.
How old is she? How long until her pension kicks in?

idontlikealdi · 30/11/2023 22:10

You need to move out. She needs to adult herself.

scoobydoo1971 · 30/11/2023 22:23

My late mother was like this. She has left me a hoarder house that has taken 2 years to clear out. I am not ungrateful for the inheritance, but I do wish our time together could have been spent with less sword fencing and more balanced family life. I cared for her when she was unwell, but she was awful to live with. A control freak in the same ways you describe, and the house was in a dreadful state. So I bought a house local to hers. This way I got to have my own space, work from home uninterrupted and raise my children my way. I could also pop in to do shopping, cleaning, admin and so forth. Your mother could get housing grants to fix the property (ECO4? HUG?) and she may qualify for all sorts of benefit supplements. Please take control of this situation for both of your sakes, and see a citizens advice bureau advisor who can work out what income your mother is eligible for. I wish I had taken action sooner as it badly affected my kids with all the arguments. While she has you to focus upon then she is not looking for other opportunities to fill her time. She could go to social clubs, make friends, take up hobbies etc.

YerArseInParsley · 30/11/2023 22:30

My mum, dad, sister and myself moved in with my gran when my granda died, my mum felt obliged to cause my gran looked after us after school and my gran wouldn't live alone. We were there from 1983 until she died in 2005. Although the dirty house situation isn't the same, my gran was horrible and my mum and dad basically lived in their bedroom. I hated my gran, she used to mix things between people but she was never challenged, it was don't you dare say anything just leave it.

You need to move out now. Tell your mum you are sick of living in a house like that and being treating like children. I know you want to save but trust me your feelings towards her will get worse.

makeminealargeoneagain · 30/11/2023 23:04

Your aim was to move north to buy a house and to be closer to one of your companies other offices. Can you do this sooner than later? Give you a great excuse to move out. Rent if you can't afford to buy yet. For your own sanity you need to move out ASAP.

RocketIceLollie · 30/11/2023 23:37

No I couldn't live with someone like that. You've got to look after number one and that's your children. She'll just have to learn to serve herself without you.

Mossstitch · 30/11/2023 23:44

You said......' your mum wanted to retire early'.........she's done this for herself not for you! She's a grown adult perfectly capable of sorting her own finances out! How is that helping you save up for a house deposit if your having to pay all the bills?! Get yourself somewhere safe to live before your baby wants to walk as it does not sound like a safe and hygienic place for him🤷‍♀️💐

Vinrouge4 · 01/12/2023 00:02

You need to work out a time line and tell your mum. ‘In three months we won’t be here. I have found a house to rent/buy up north.’ Then your mum can plan and apply for benefits. She would definitely be entitled to something. You need to put your children and marriage first.

redalex261 · 01/12/2023 00:10

If you feel you can’t have a reasonable cards on the table conversation with her where you can say everything you’ve said here (firmly but not unkindly) without losing it then you need to just take steps to move now, renting if necessary. If you do nothing you will explode and ruin your relationship with her by brutal truths. Your marriage may not survive another year without a complete change or a move. You could try the firm conv. with her laying out your red lines (having set a timeframe to see if any changes are tolerable with husband). She sounds nightmarish. You can’t worry about her finances - I suggest if she has no savings or income she should do a benefit check, she should get something - but her lack of money is not your responsibility. As you say if the place is filthy a lodger is not likely perhaps she could downsize and release some equity to tide her over until pensions kick in, from what you say she can’t cope with running a larger property, this will only worsen with age. Good luck - you need to get into a better position. this level of stress is not sustainable and will lead to a mental breakdown (or a bloody crime!)

Cornishclio · 01/12/2023 00:27

Goodness no I could not live like that. Tell her you are moving out because she is controlling and the house is dirty and she won't let you clean it. She chose to retire early without a plan to finance her retirement and is relying on you to pay for her keep. She can sell the house if she cannot afford to live there or take in a lodger although she will need to sort the house out first. Not your problem though. An ill husband who stays out in a caravan because he cannot stand to be in the house is your problem as is 2 small children in a dirty unsafe house and an atmosphere because their grandmother is controlling and their mother is hiding away in the bedroom. I would be telling her that you will be making plans to move out soon.

determinedtomakethiswork · 01/12/2023 00:29

Are you saying that if you said no at the beginning, then she would be still in work?

determinedtomakethiswork · 01/12/2023 00:29

If she sold her house, as it is now, how much would she get for it?

Moonshine5 · 01/12/2023 00:38

OP you sound like a good person who has done her best, but please save yourself and your family. Your mum will cope.

Moveoverdarlin · 01/12/2023 00:42

Can she sell the house as is? Downsize to a little flat?

I would start laying the groundwork for your plans, even if you have to bullshit a bit. Come home tomorrow and say ‘I spoke to someone in our Northern office today, they said there’s a new housing development being built at so and so, it’s only ten mins from the office. That would be ideal for us when we move. Next time I’m up there I’ll get some literature from the developers. You can get a 3 bed for £XXX, it’s so much cheaper.’

Just keep reiterating your plans to move North. If she ever protests, there’s your chance to get your points across. Say ‘oh I thought you’d be delighted to see the back of us, I get the impression I drive you nuts mum’ and go through all the points about the house being a tip etc.

semideponent · 01/12/2023 00:47

Your need to save and her desire to retire early got fused together. They are separate. There are other ways for you to get what you need and for your Mum to get what she wants. There are lots of possibilities here.

noragrats · 01/12/2023 00:48

Thank you all, sorry I had a bit of a cry after I posted as it just felt very real.

House is worth about 50k less than the other houses on the road because it’s so run down. Whenever we have a major fall out, or I get upset and start crying at my desk it seems to spur her to clean and tidy but it’s only temporary. I’m going to do a budget tomorrow to see if I can financially support her for a period of time AND move out

OP posts:
momonpurpose · 01/12/2023 00:48

OP sometimes "free" us extremely expensive in ways more important then money. I'd be honest and say it is not working out. Or lie and say you need to be closer to work.

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