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Tenancy inspection today - can they say anything about a messy house?

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 10:00

I have a tenancy inspection this afternoon - my landlord is a nasty prick, his DD is doing the inspection. It’s a long story but he’s been awful, sending me harassing emails, making threats and breaking the Tenancy Fees Act as well as his part of the tenancy agreement. I move next month, thank god, but he’s 100% out to get me - and I think he has likely briefed his DD to look for problems.

There is no damage in the house bar a scuff or 2 on the walls (it’s an old house with tiny narrow staircases and this was from carrying the bed up - he’s seen them before and said it’s fine it always gets scuffed). But we’ve been going through some stuff and I haven’t had time to spring clean line I always do. I have a horrible feeling she will comment on the mess. It’s mostly things like the bathtub and shower needs a clean, the kids’ rooms need a hoover etc. but I KNOW they will be looking for problems because they’ve heavily hinted at it, sending me messages about “if there’s damage you haven’t reported you will be liable for the costs” etc.

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 27/11/2023 11:08

if you are leaving who cares what they say get it professionally cleaned when you move out and if he wants to dispute the deposit he can take it up with the protection scheme company!

Luckydog7 · 27/11/2023 11:15

I'm a landlord and non of the things you raise would be a problem especially as it isn't even the final inspection.

I would look for missing/damaged furniture and damage to the fabric of the building, damaged/stained carpets, curtain rails torn off, damaged blinds, broken windows, water damage, fences upright etc.

Scuffs/marks fine, needing a hoover, fine, washing up piled up fine. Lawn needing a mow fine, floor needing a mop fine. Even things like a slightly mouldy bathroom would be fine in your case as there is time for a final clean.

None of this stops your landlord being a duck however.

Your answer to any complaint and cleanliness are 'i haven't done the final clean yet. I will take photos when i do and and we can take it up the deposit company if there are any issues.' Then ignore.

I would do everything by the book with these people. Take lots of photos and videos of the house and garden, inside and out. Make sure you have the itinerary from when you move in (even better if there isn't one) take meter readings to prove you have covered bills. Redirect mail etc so one you are out you can minimise interactions/conflict.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 11:18

LaurieStrode · 27/11/2023 10:49

I mean, couldn't you pop the child in the tub and clean the bathroom while she plays in the water, that sort of thing? Let her "help" you hoover?

My mum had us cleaning/tidying as toddlers. She made a game of it and we enjoyed it.

she’s 10 so I don’t think she’d go for that!

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 11:19

Humblecrumblegrumble · 27/11/2023 10:52

You aren't in the West Midlands are you? I had a vile harrasing landlord and he sent his daughter round to do things sometimes. I just got chills remembering how anxious he would make me 😓

But I'm not sure they can say much about mess, mess isn't damage as long as it's not violating any health and safety issues.

No I’m in Yorkshire!

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 11:19

tescocreditcard · 27/11/2023 11:05

Don't deep clean before you leave. Just leave it looking like a shit hole. You won't get your deposit back anyway.

Eh?

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Frasers · 27/11/2023 11:19

I think as you’ve decline twice you should allow this to go ahead, I’d explain that you’ve not had time to clean but will do so prior to leaving. But if you continue to decline inspections you might find they are a bit less lenient than they could be at the time.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 11:20

Frasers · 27/11/2023 11:19

I think as you’ve decline twice you should allow this to go ahead, I’d explain that you’ve not had time to clean but will do so prior to leaving. But if you continue to decline inspections you might find they are a bit less lenient than they could be at the time.

Less lenient how sorry?

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LaurieStrode · 27/11/2023 11:22

Well if she's 10 she certainly could be hoovering. Cleaning and maintaining pleasant living conditions is good for anyone's MH.

Dogcatmousecat · 27/11/2023 11:24

Absolutely nothing wrong with having a messy house as long as the actual wear and tear are normal marks that happen living in a home.
Very sad that renters feel so vulnerable! I think people are missing the point that the OP is obviously feeling threatened by her landlord.
If your house is very unkempt ie food stains , dog shit everywhere then that would be at a different level . Just needing to clean the shower ,hoover etc is not neglect.

Maddy70 · 27/11/2023 11:30

Just clean them ?

thecatneuterer · 27/11/2023 11:40

Bobtheamazinggingerdog · 27/11/2023 10:18

You move out next month? The inspection is not necessary. Cancel it, they can inspect after you've moved out.

Spot on

Merryshitmass · 27/11/2023 11:45

This thread is horrible. The op only asked a simple question. Fucking MN

BrieEncounter · 27/11/2023 11:54

Maddy70 · 27/11/2023 11:30

Just clean them ?

This is the 'cancel the cheque' of this thread

Try not to worry OP. As long as it's not a shithole then he can't do much if it's just a bit of hoovering etc

Muchof · 27/11/2023 12:04

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 10:39

RTFT - I’ve explained why I prioritised my DD’s MH over cleaning a bath

I had a shower this morning and cleaned what I could while my conditioner was soaked in but it’s not show-home standard or leaving-for-another-tenant standard

Oh come on with your heart string pulling, this is just an excuse OP. You don’t need to neglect cleaning because one member of the household is feeling anxious and requires your undivided attention. You have managed to go to work, another excuse for not cleaning. We all manage to go to work and clean the shower.

I think it is reasonable to expect a tenant to keep a house clean and a relatively tidy as you sometimes can’t tell whether a house is clean if it is so untidy you can’t see through it. It is reasonable for the landlord to want to inspect if they have concerns. You sound like a very difficult tenant.

Hiddenone123 · 27/11/2023 12:05

Luckydog7 · 27/11/2023 11:15

I'm a landlord and non of the things you raise would be a problem especially as it isn't even the final inspection.

I would look for missing/damaged furniture and damage to the fabric of the building, damaged/stained carpets, curtain rails torn off, damaged blinds, broken windows, water damage, fences upright etc.

Scuffs/marks fine, needing a hoover, fine, washing up piled up fine. Lawn needing a mow fine, floor needing a mop fine. Even things like a slightly mouldy bathroom would be fine in your case as there is time for a final clean.

None of this stops your landlord being a duck however.

Your answer to any complaint and cleanliness are 'i haven't done the final clean yet. I will take photos when i do and and we can take it up the deposit company if there are any issues.' Then ignore.

I would do everything by the book with these people. Take lots of photos and videos of the house and garden, inside and out. Make sure you have the itinerary from when you move in (even better if there isn't one) take meter readings to prove you have covered bills. Redirect mail etc so one you are out you can minimise interactions/conflict.

Follow this - perfectly to the point and legally correct. Any deductions that your LL proposes, go through the deposit company.

How long have you lived there? LL cannot claim for betterment, everything has lifespans and creating values over time (iirc, carpets decrease to £0 over six years).

Is your deposit protected? If not, you can claim up to 3x it back via small claims court.

HerMammy · 27/11/2023 12:06

You've known this was coming, I think you could have found the time to give the place a clean, how dirty is it if you gave shower 'a bit of a clean' mine never gets particularly dirty.

MarmaladeMaggie · 27/11/2023 12:07

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 10:19

He says he wants to inspect over “serious concerns due to heavy rainfall” and that next door has had concerns about the rain.

Which is wierd considering there’s just a yard that’s (and I’m not joking) about 4ft x 6ft.

Also he obviously doesn’t know that I’m friends with next door and she doesn’t know what he’s going on about - it’s not his property and she doesn’t know him!

Edited

You can decline the inspection - you have a right to quiet enjoyment.

Bbq1 · 27/11/2023 12:14

We had to visit our last tenant for various problems she had identified (which we always sorted quickly ) but there would be bits around liike clothes discarded between rooms and sometimes the floor needed a hoover but I wouldn't have dreamt of mentioning that to her. She was clean generally though and left the house in good order. The difference is we are good, kind and almost accidental landlords

lactonic · 27/11/2023 12:15

You do not have to allow this man or his daughter into your home! If it's not an emergency you do not have to allow entry.

Considering his harassment and behaviour I would refuse entry completely until your tenancy ends. If he tries to enter, you can call the police.

TellerTuesday · 27/11/2023 12:15

Has it not occurred to you that it's because you've already cancelled 2 inspections? If I was the landlord that would suggest to me that there's something you don't want him to see. All seems a moot point if you're moving out in a month anyway though.

lactonic · 27/11/2023 12:16

Goldx2 · 27/11/2023 10:09

He is 100% entitled to charge you cleaning costs and scuffs to the wall!

This is 100% false. A landlord cannot charge for wear and tear and they cannot withhold your deposit for this either.

ThePineapplePrincess · 27/11/2023 12:19

Muchof · 27/11/2023 12:04

Oh come on with your heart string pulling, this is just an excuse OP. You don’t need to neglect cleaning because one member of the household is feeling anxious and requires your undivided attention. You have managed to go to work, another excuse for not cleaning. We all manage to go to work and clean the shower.

I think it is reasonable to expect a tenant to keep a house clean and a relatively tidy as you sometimes can’t tell whether a house is clean if it is so untidy you can’t see through it. It is reasonable for the landlord to want to inspect if they have concerns. You sound like a very difficult tenant.

Edited

Absolutely this. Regular inspections are necessary and standard. Declining then means there is a problem.

KeyWorker · 27/11/2023 12:23

Surely if he’s coming to inspect due to worries about heavy rainfall he’ll not need to be looking in the bath. He’ll be busy outside looking at the drains, window condition, roof and rendering etc. He doesn’t need to fret about the cleaning and hovering.

Myfabby · 27/11/2023 12:24

I'd be worried the effect of a dirty shower and home on your daughters mental health to be honest.

But a dirty shower doesn't equal damage so I'm not sure how the mean daughter can take fault with that.

It seems both you and LL will be relieved come next month.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 12:30

LaurieStrode · 27/11/2023 11:22

Well if she's 10 she certainly could be hoovering. Cleaning and maintaining pleasant living conditions is good for anyone's MH.

I’m pleased you’re not my mum.

Her dad walked out yesterday, she was shaking and crying and asking questions. I made sure I was there for her. I’d be a colossal cunt to say “Come on now time to hoover” to ultimately appease a prick landlord

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