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Tenancy inspection today - can they say anything about a messy house?

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 10:00

I have a tenancy inspection this afternoon - my landlord is a nasty prick, his DD is doing the inspection. It’s a long story but he’s been awful, sending me harassing emails, making threats and breaking the Tenancy Fees Act as well as his part of the tenancy agreement. I move next month, thank god, but he’s 100% out to get me - and I think he has likely briefed his DD to look for problems.

There is no damage in the house bar a scuff or 2 on the walls (it’s an old house with tiny narrow staircases and this was from carrying the bed up - he’s seen them before and said it’s fine it always gets scuffed). But we’ve been going through some stuff and I haven’t had time to spring clean line I always do. I have a horrible feeling she will comment on the mess. It’s mostly things like the bathtub and shower needs a clean, the kids’ rooms need a hoover etc. but I KNOW they will be looking for problems because they’ve heavily hinted at it, sending me messages about “if there’s damage you haven’t reported you will be liable for the costs” etc.

OP posts:
YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:33

Caterpillarsleftfoot · 27/11/2023 13:30

To be honest I'm far more concerned that you have children living in a dirty, messy house. That's not ok.

Ok.

PM me for my name and address and you can report me to social services. I’m sure they’ll love to hear all about a few pots in the sink, a bath that needs a wipe, an unhoovered hall and toys in a kids bedroom. Go on - they could do with a giggle. Dare you.

OP posts:
YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:34

IAmMeThisIsI · 27/11/2023 13:27

Maybe the daughter is more chill? Still, fuck all that noise. That "roof leak" is such a bullshit lie. He's telling OP that he has the regulars in the opposite pub "keeping an eye". That alone would freak me out. What a weirdo. Then he accused her of harbouring unknowns (lmao) because her brother does the school run. Oh, and he insulted her job performance (hahaha) without knowing her actual JOB! He's an arsehole. That would absolutely make me anxious and I think OP is being relaxed about it. So yeah, I'd blank him out.

I feel sorry for his DD - I have no idea how or why she’s been roped into anything, but it sounds like she bears the brunt of his tantrums

OP posts:
YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:37

It did provide humour for me and DB though whenever I invite him over I now always say I’m looking to harbour an unknown over a bottle of wine

OP posts:
Raincloudsonasunnyday · 27/11/2023 13:40

MikeRafone · 27/11/2023 13:13

some here with marital problem, hasn't done the housework and you're putting the boot in - ever thought of going else where when someone is struggling

Putting the boot in? What are you talking about? The OP asked a question about a home inspection by her landlord, a fact-based issue, nothing to do with emotions. She has a legal relationship with her landlord, not an emotional one. OP wasn’t asking about her mental state or her relationship problems. She asked about a home inspection, I answered.

As for going elsewhere - you don’t understand how an open forum on the internet works. You’ve politely told me to fuck off. You have no idea whether this OP is a witch of a tenant and the landlord a frail old man who’s been taken advantage of by OP (or the opposite - nobody knows, you only have OP’s side of the story).

You’re doing the OP a huge disservice in suggesting she’s struggling. She sounds quite chipper to me, quite bullish. She’s not posted about her DH walking out. She’s posting about a home inspection.

IAmMeThisIsI · 27/11/2023 13:41

It gave me a giggle too, I must admit. It sounds like you've got illegals jam packed into rooms 😂. Harbouring illegals. Ah I bet you can't wait to move. The daughter needs to stop running his errands for him. Don't feel too sorry for her.

Caterpillarsleftfoot · 27/11/2023 13:43

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:33

Ok.

PM me for my name and address and you can report me to social services. I’m sure they’ll love to hear all about a few pots in the sink, a bath that needs a wipe, an unhoovered hall and toys in a kids bedroom. Go on - they could do with a giggle. Dare you.

Sadly the good enough threshold is not really what is good enough.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:46

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 27/11/2023 13:40

Putting the boot in? What are you talking about? The OP asked a question about a home inspection by her landlord, a fact-based issue, nothing to do with emotions. She has a legal relationship with her landlord, not an emotional one. OP wasn’t asking about her mental state or her relationship problems. She asked about a home inspection, I answered.

As for going elsewhere - you don’t understand how an open forum on the internet works. You’ve politely told me to fuck off. You have no idea whether this OP is a witch of a tenant and the landlord a frail old man who’s been taken advantage of by OP (or the opposite - nobody knows, you only have OP’s side of the story).

You’re doing the OP a huge disservice in suggesting she’s struggling. She sounds quite chipper to me, quite bullish. She’s not posted about her DH walking out. She’s posting about a home inspection.

She has a legal relationship with her landlord, not an emotional one.

Indeed and the only one behaving emotionally is him. Not me.

OP wasn’t asking about her mental state or her relationship problems. She asked about a home inspection, I answered.

Did you? Or did you just make some bizarre and amusing statement about how I must have no personal hygiene because <check notes> my bath could do with a wipe down. If you have hygiene anxiety (I assume you do because frankly that’s a weird opinion to have) that’s on you love, don’t push it onto me

OP posts:
YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:48

Caterpillarsleftfoot · 27/11/2023 13:43

Sadly the good enough threshold is not really what is good enough.

TOTALLY AGREE.

If I had my way, twat parents who think it’s fine to abandon their crying children to clean absolutely should NOT be parents.

Sadly social services disagree. What can you do? A whole generation of kids being raised by catastrophising, exaggeration-prone cunts who freak out over a dish in the sink will be damaged adults. Such a shame.

OP posts:
weleasewoderick23 · 27/11/2023 13:49

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 12:45

I’m just gonna go ahead with the inspection to get him off my back - but they will have to deal with dirty dishes in the sink from breakfast, overflowing linen baskets, toys in the kid’s room and a bit of muck round the shower and my home office having piles of paper everywhere. There is no damage to the property, Google is letting me down but I’m pretty sure that he can’t do anything/deduct anything for a mid-term-yet-no-damage mess.

The oven is filthy but I’m getting it professionally cleaned the day I leave

Just make sure you don't leave any "weed residue" 😂

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:50

weleasewoderick23 · 27/11/2023 13:49

Just make sure you don't leave any "weed residue" 😂

OMG 😂😂I loved that thread.

OP posts:
Macaroni46 · 27/11/2023 13:54

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 12:45

I’m just gonna go ahead with the inspection to get him off my back - but they will have to deal with dirty dishes in the sink from breakfast, overflowing linen baskets, toys in the kid’s room and a bit of muck round the shower and my home office having piles of paper everywhere. There is no damage to the property, Google is letting me down but I’m pretty sure that he can’t do anything/deduct anything for a mid-term-yet-no-damage mess.

The oven is filthy but I’m getting it professionally cleaned the day I leave

Why not be proactive then and let him/her know that the place is a little untidy at present but assure him it'll be properly clean when you move out.
Also, two cancelled inspections will have caused suspicion. And they may well be checking for rain damage. What your neighbour says is neither here nor there.
Yes, you have rights but at the end of the day, the property doesn't belong to you and the landlord is reasonable to want to check the condition.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:57

Inspection 1 was cancelled due to being too short notice. Inspection 2 was CS called because it was gonna be LL doing it and at this point I said I was no longer engaging with him because of the ridiculous emails and harassment. I only agreed to this inspection because his DD would be doing it.

Im not going to plead and pander if the mess is mentioned I’ll say it will be fully cleaned when I leave. I think Pp are right to be brief and not get into answering questions I don’t have to answer.

They will be looking for a sub-letting lodger I bet.

OP posts:
OhmygodDont · 27/11/2023 14:00

All this because the op needs to wipe her bath and wash up her breakfast dishes ffs.

Some people making out you live in shrieks swamp 😂 with shit everywhere and obviously you’ve got illegals in your yard 😂😂 idiot landlords man.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 14:01

OhmygodDont · 27/11/2023 14:00

All this because the op needs to wipe her bath and wash up her breakfast dishes ffs.

Some people making out you live in shrieks swamp 😂 with shit everywhere and obviously you’ve got illegals in your yard 😂😂 idiot landlords man.

🤣
Its provided light relief if nothing else

I have a sneaky suspicion that my brother is slightly darker skinned than me and LL is a bit racist and thinks a brown man must be ‘harboured’ in a home rather than ‘visiting’

OP posts:
kαλοκαλοκαιρι · 27/11/2023 14:05

willWillSmithsmith · 27/11/2023 10:54

When you do leave it’s very important to take photos of everything? Every sink, taps, toilet, windows, floors, cupboards inside and out, outside space etc. I was burned once by a lying LL and after that was meticulous about taking thorough photo evidence.

++ and videos of anything which can’t be properly disputed with a photo!

Nowherenew · 27/11/2023 14:38

No it doesn’t need to be spotless but I would have quickly put the hoover round anyway.

These are more to see what repairs need doing and to see if you need to fix anything before you leave.

But if he’s a dick then it could be in show home condition and they’ll still find something wrong with it.

My DB moved into a new flat as his old place was being sold.
He had a gf but felt it was too soon to move in together when he had to give up his old place.
He spent almost everyday at his new gfs though and so after a few months they decided he should give up his flat and move in together.
He had barely been there since moving in but he needed his deposit back and so paid a professional cleaner to come in.

The LL said he can’t get his deposit back and came up with a list of things such as dirty oven (he’d never used the oven), stained carpets (he took photos when he moved in and when he left and there were no stains) and accused him of stealing the shower curtain and lightbulbs before he left.
My brother fought some of it as he had the photo evidence but the LL still took over half of his deposit for the things he couldn’t prove.

TennisWithDeborah · 27/11/2023 14:41

Some very unpleasant responses on this thread.

I hope that the daughter is more reasonable than her scuzzy parent OP.

Thankfully, your deposit is protected. Take lots of pics before you leave.

I hope your daughter feels better soon.

LakieLady · 27/11/2023 15:34

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 12:47

No, I just don’t want a harassing prick in my home. Even us renters have a right to not have the man who’s continually intimidating us to be home alone with us

Totally agree, OP.

As long as the property is clean when it's vacated and there's no damage when it's handed back to the harassing prick, he has no cause to complain.

Normal wear and tear is fine.

LakieLady · 27/11/2023 15:43

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 13:04

Why do you think I don’t have good personal hygiene?

Especially when the whole of MN knows you had a shower and washed your hair this morning!

MikeRafone · 27/11/2023 15:53

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 27/11/2023 13:40

Putting the boot in? What are you talking about? The OP asked a question about a home inspection by her landlord, a fact-based issue, nothing to do with emotions. She has a legal relationship with her landlord, not an emotional one. OP wasn’t asking about her mental state or her relationship problems. She asked about a home inspection, I answered.

As for going elsewhere - you don’t understand how an open forum on the internet works. You’ve politely told me to fuck off. You have no idea whether this OP is a witch of a tenant and the landlord a frail old man who’s been taken advantage of by OP (or the opposite - nobody knows, you only have OP’s side of the story).

You’re doing the OP a huge disservice in suggesting she’s struggling. She sounds quite chipper to me, quite bullish. She’s not posted about her DH walking out. She’s posting about a home inspection.

if you had answered the question about the tenancy inspection, instead of deciding that OP had personal hygiene issues then I wouldn't have told you, as you put it, to fuck off.

I understand an Internet forum and you aren't anywhere near tangent - you've made stuff up

NumberTheory · 27/11/2023 15:54

Some of the responses on this thread are mad, not to mention nasty and ignorant.

If you have already given notice there is absolutely no point in tidying or cleaning for an inspection. There is nothing a landlord can legally do in those circumstances if your home is messy or dirty. You don’t even have to allow the inspection.

Cancel it if you want OP. Tell him you’ve just found out he’s lied about the neighbour and since there is no immediate concern for the property’s well being he can inspect when you move out. Or let his daughter crack on and then ignore anything they say, nod and smile and respond with something like “Well we can see what the deposit scheme says when I leave”. A landlord’s authority over a home you’re renting is fairly closely prescribed in law nowadays with the major leverage for having you dance to any non-prescribed standards being to ensure they will sign a new lease. Since you don’t have the need to keep them sweet for that, you can treat your home as you please and just pay for damage (if any) that is still remains when the lease ends.

lactonic · 27/11/2023 16:49

@Myfabby actually scuffs ARE normal wear and tear. Along with worn carpets, worn keys and minor damages which can include things like dents and small holes in the walls. I've rented for over 15 years and am fully aware of legal rights as a tenant, what is and isn't dodgy behaviour from landlords, plus what's classed as normal wear, tear or actual chargeable damage. You don't need to worry about replying with nonsense again. No one needs you to keep posting incorrect information on the internet.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 16:50

So she’s been and gone.

She didn’t mention the mess.

She did however mention a scuff and said they may need to repaint the hallway - I said well a small scuff doesn’t need a repaint of a whole room so I’d be disputing that.

She said she could see no damage but asked if I could ‘run a carpet cleaner over the carpets before I leave’. I said I don’t have a carpet cleaner and whilst I’m happy to clean individual stains, I’ve only been here 8 months therefore they don’t need deep cleaned.

OP posts:
grass67 · 27/11/2023 16:50

I think you should start a thread on how to make sure I get my deposit back. Some good tips, but also some worries if @Nowherenew brother lost half his deposit !
Yes a newspaper in your photos/video would be a good idea. I haven't rented for years, a long time before the deposit scheme. But I'm sure lots of people can give you sound advice as your landlord is probably going to be an issue.

lactonic · 27/11/2023 16:51

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 27/11/2023 16:50

So she’s been and gone.

She didn’t mention the mess.

She did however mention a scuff and said they may need to repaint the hallway - I said well a small scuff doesn’t need a repaint of a whole room so I’d be disputing that.

She said she could see no damage but asked if I could ‘run a carpet cleaner over the carpets before I leave’. I said I don’t have a carpet cleaner and whilst I’m happy to clean individual stains, I’ve only been here 8 months therefore they don’t need deep cleaned.

You don't need to do either of those things' good god these people are ridiculous. Is your deposit in a protected scheme?

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