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To think it’s my mum’s fault that I’m not close to her and she can’t complain about it

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 12:51

To give a bit of background - I’m the youngest of 3, all 1 year apart. My parents divorced when I was 1, and mum remarried a few years later and is still with her husband. Dad died 10 years ago.

Our house was very dysfunctional when my older brothers were teens. They were into casual drugs, petty crimes like shoplifting and generally bad teen behaviour like getting piercings - this was in the 90’s from the age of 13/14. Mum and SD didn’t react very well - they were forever kicking them out the house, my brothers had to sofa surf at their friends before eventually returning home to a frosty reception before it all started again. Lots of screaming and arguments, the neighbours were forever complaining, and nothing ever got resolved.

The boys were kicked out permanently when they were 16 & 17. Mum and SD found them a flat, put a deposit and first months rent down and told them they’d never be welcomed back in the home.

Then when I went to Uni at 18 (DBs were 19 & 20) Mum and SD decided to move to France. Mum was 45 and stopped work. Meaning I didn’t have a home to go to in the holidays. At this point one brother was at Uni at the other side of the country and the other still lived in my hometown and none of us could afford to travel to the others for Christmas, and in mine and Uni Brother’s case there was no room anyway! Mum and SD were very much “we’ve helped you out [I also got deposit and first months rent paid for for my Uni digs] it’s time to stand on your own two feet” so wouldn’t fly us out to them for Christmas or come over either. They were loaded back then after a few bouts of luck buying and selling at the right time, they were £200k up on their latest house sale (and bought very cheap in France, so had even more from that) and hadn’t had a mortgage for 5 years.

Anyway I don’t think either of them thought much about the future or grandchildren, because now, 20 years later, mum is very jealous because her 4 GC are close to their other (local) grandparents. Who make the effort, not just in terms of presents but getting to know them. They’ve spent all their money + 3 lots of inheritance on not working so only come to the UK 1-2 times a year. I don’t go over there because in school holidays you’re looking at £800 return for 4 people just for flights, and they live in the middle of nowhere there’s nothing for kids to do. So when she does see the GC she goes OTT with the smothering and buying them stuff and it freaks the kids out, I have to tell her to rein it in. She saw them earlier this year and gave her phone number to DD (10) and said “If mummy or daddy are ever mean to you call me and tell me and I’ll say nothing to them.” I was furious - DD barely knows mum and it really upset her. She’s like this with DB’s kids - basically expects the relationship of a nearby granny (like they have with their other grans) but by pure virtue of being related to them. She thinks buying them toys once a year is purchasing their love.

As an aside, she sometimes doesn’t ring for weeks - which is fine but then I’ll get a huffy message asking why I’m ignoring her and haven’t called

It’s the same with me - she wants us to be super close -and makes out to everyone we are - but I just never, ever see her. And when I do the relationship is quite tense. Anyway I don’t seek advice from my mum very often but lately DH and I have been going through a rough patch and are considering separation. We are sleeping in separate rooms and having chats about the future. Nothing big has happened - no affairs, no abuse…we are just beginning to despise each other and it’s unbearable. I spent some time away from home last weekend and made the mistake of calling mum as at that very point I thought “I need my mum” and acted on my emotions.

I really wish I hadn’t. She’s know calling constantly to “check I’m OK”. I’ve had to message between 5 missed calls to say “I’m at work and in a meeting stop calling”. Endless calls and demands for updates every day this week. When I do talk to her she demands to know everything that’s been said between me and DH. When I said “I don’t want to go into specifics, I just want a chat” she gets annoyed and says “Well I hope you tell me one day!”

She rang at 8.30am this morning. I was watching DS play football so missed the call. She sent a message saying “I don’t understand all these missed calls. What’s your problem for not answering today? I could scream with frustration and life!” I replied saying I’m watching DS play footie. I’m not calling her back - we are not close and I should never have opened up to her. This happens any time I have issues and make the mistake of telling her. Last year I went through a bout of deep depression and DH got me through it. She found out and actually shouted at him for not telling her how bad I was- he said “Why would I tell you? Yorkshire isn’t close to you” which made her cry 🙄

She’s wants a romanticised mother/daughter relationship that you get with mothers who have put the effort into being there for their daughters, who haven’t abandoned them age 18 to go and drink wine abroad while their DD spends Christmas with whichever mate’s parents are kind enough to have her. She wants to put little effort in to our relationship but for me to love and adore her like I can’t live without her. I’ve had enough. AIBU into thinking it’s her own fault we aren’t close? And that frankly she’s lucky I even bother to call?

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 12:54

Another thing that annoys me that upsets her - is when she does come over and I pick her up from the airport, she will go OTT on her greeting. She kisses me all over including my neck and behind my ear which makes me wanna heave. I’m not a tactile person expect with my kids (a sticking point in my marriage, we have sex regularly but I don’t wanna be smothered with kisses when I wake up). So I ask her to stop - one time I and to push her off me because she wasn’t stopping - and she gets upset. Then on the car journey she will stroke my face, leg and arm from the passenger seat (because she’s ‘missed me so much’) and gets upset when I slap her hand away.

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WestwardHo1 · 26/11/2023 13:00

Christ you are so not being unreasonable. I have similar issues with my mum and your description made my skin crawl. And she wasn't nearly as awful to me growing up as yours has been.

I think building blocks for an adult relationship between mums and daughters need to have been put in place early, or it just doesn't happen. Civility and duty yes, but why should they get to reap the rewards when they failed to put in the effort.

You have my sympathy.

SnowFir · 26/11/2023 13:02

Yanbu
I have the same issue. My mum was a nasty abusive bully to me when i lived with her but wants a close relationship as an adult. I've got no bond with her whatsoever and don't like her. She caused me and my dad a lot of suffering

Mortimercat · 26/11/2023 13:02

My life story is not similar to yours, but for different reasons (to do with my parents) I had a difficult and unhappy childhood. Many people can say that they know with certainty that they would be able to rely upon their parents, I could say with the sane level of certainty that mine would not be there if I ever needed them.

Mine are both now passed and when my siblings and I became adults, the contact was low. The saying you reap what you sow, always felt relevant.

JMSA · 26/11/2023 13:03

Sorry, I didn't read the full post but I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying. Sometimes our mums just aren't the person we'd like them to be, and acceptance of that is so important to our own emotional wellbeing.
My mum was complaining to me recently that she doesn't feel close to my daughters. Yes mum, that's because you didn't put in the groundwork when they were younger and now it's too late.
You're retired, live only an hour away, drive a car, and the last time you came to ours was 5 months ago!

Reinga · 26/11/2023 13:07

You're not BU in the slightest.
I can sympathise with you completely.
She wasn't there for you as a young adult when you needed her so you learned not to rely on her.
Now she wants to falsify this close relationship that you just don't have, because it hasn't been developed naturally.

tpa · 26/11/2023 13:10

She sounds awful.
honestly I would forget about her and her lack of parenting and her current bullshit. Send a message saying you’ve worked things out with dh and for her to stop panicking about it.
she is not your immediate problem.

your immediate problem is your marriage and honestly, having been married nearly 25 yrs, you have rough patches which are a fuck load worse than rough. You and dh loved eachother enough to get married and have kids. Life then puts immense strain on all that. Talk to him a lot. See if you can get through it.

ManchesterGirl2 · 26/11/2023 13:18

She sounds awful, time to put some hard boundaries in place, and tell her, truthfully, that you'll have to block her for a time if she ignores them.

It strikes me that the way she's behaved might be a factor in your mental health and marital issues. For example, she has very poor boundaries around physical touch, and that might influence how you feel around touch from others too. Might be worth exploring with a therapist if possible.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 13:20

Reinga · 26/11/2023 13:07

You're not BU in the slightest.
I can sympathise with you completely.
She wasn't there for you as a young adult when you needed her so you learned not to rely on her.
Now she wants to falsify this close relationship that you just don't have, because it hasn't been developed naturally.

That’s exactly it.

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 13:21

tpa · 26/11/2023 13:10

She sounds awful.
honestly I would forget about her and her lack of parenting and her current bullshit. Send a message saying you’ve worked things out with dh and for her to stop panicking about it.
she is not your immediate problem.

your immediate problem is your marriage and honestly, having been married nearly 25 yrs, you have rough patches which are a fuck load worse than rough. You and dh loved eachother enough to get married and have kids. Life then puts immense strain on all that. Talk to him a lot. See if you can get through it.

I know and I hope we can. It’s been a tough couple of years. I just wish I had a mum who was normal and not practically giddy because I rang her with a problem.

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Hotchocolatemousse · 26/11/2023 13:21

Just block her because she doesn't bring anything positive to your life.

QuizzlyBear · 26/11/2023 13:23

You are absolutely not BU. My own mum was very self centred when we were young and when my dad remarried when I was 11, my DB and I said we'd like to spend Christmas with them to get to know her and our new SBs. My mum said that in that case we could go live there permanently and literally threw us out after allowing us to pack four carrier bags each. We had to wait outside the garden gate in the dark for two hours for my dad to pick us up.

She almost never saw us for the next few years, never came to visit (too far apparently, even though my dad had made the same journey fortnightly for 7 years). I can count on both hands the number of times I've seen her f2f in the last 30 years. I don't call her anymore, she stopped calling me. She still does this over emotional, gushing which turns my stomach. She sends my kids a cheque once a year on their birthdays, that's it. Yet on fb bemoans the fact that none of us contact her.

You reap what you sow in my view.

bluecalendula · 26/11/2023 13:31

Oh my goodness, I hope you know none of this is your fault, none of it

I'm not surprised that this is having a huge impact on your life. You don't owe her anything, ok?

I would go no-contact for a minimum of say six months, tell her only if you have to, then block her number. She is narcissistic and abusive. Tell your siblings if you have to. By the sound of things she is not the kind of person that will ever learn or understand, and it's not your job to help her.

Please try to go to a therapist and perhaps they can help you formulate a plan to put the right amount of distance and boundaries between you and your Mother. Then you have the emotional space to concentrate on your children and husband.

This is NOT your fault. Be kind to yourself, make sure you get your needs met, whatever they are.

Maybe you need a break for a few days. You have achieved so much and have so much to be proud of. Big hugs.

WestwardHo1 · 26/11/2023 13:36

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 13:21

I know and I hope we can. It’s been a tough couple of years. I just wish I had a mum who was normal and not practically giddy because I rang her with a problem.

I know what you mean by this. It's like they're so overjoyed you confided in them, THAT becomes the primary issue. And then they're cross that you don't keep on doing it. It's all about them and their feelings, rather than your issue. I made the mistake of telling my mum about our fertility issues. Immediately it all became about her and her feelings. She even emailed me saying I'd better keep communicating about this, or else she would become very upset, at the same as constantly asking if I had "any news". Obviously I shut down completely.

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 17:45

So I haven’t got back to her all day and she’s just messaged a big old rant about her arthritis and how she’s dropping things in the supermarket.

I just replied saying DD is having a bit of an anxiety crisis at the moment and my evening will be spent with her I have no time to talk to mum. Which is true Tomorrow I will be messaging to tell her to back off

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 17:57

Dear god she’s just replied “What’s wrong with DD?”

None of your fucking business. You’ve met her 13 times, you don’t get to know her personal issues

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SussexLass87 · 26/11/2023 18:10

YANBU OP.
Life sounds like it was really tough when you were younger, the Christmases especially must have been so hard.

But, if you want to remain low contact then you need to stop giving her information about your life.

Don't tell her about your marital troubles, and don't tell her that your DD is feeling anxious. It just gives her an in, a way to keep the text conversation with you going.

"I'm not able to talk right now" "We're all good thanks" "Enjoying a family film night, can't talk now" If you keep it neutral and to a minimum...if there is a rant about arthritis "I'm sorry to hear that" It can be hard not to fall into the trap of justifying your silence - she isn't owed your time.

cheeseandketchupsandwich · 26/11/2023 18:16

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 17:57

Dear god she’s just replied “What’s wrong with DD?”

None of your fucking business. You’ve met her 13 times, you don’t get to know her personal issues

Say this to her. Exactly this.

And then tell her if she wants an honest, close relationship with you, she needs to do things on your terms.

Like it or lump it.

lunaticfringer · 26/11/2023 18:23

I have a very slight version of this problem. Parents were awful when I was growing up but now want a close and intimate relationship. All I can say is, they've had to earn a place in our lives and they've put in the effort.

In your shoes I'd go no contact OP. The only people who get to be in my life and my children's lives are the ones who deserve it.

pickledandpuzzled · 26/11/2023 18:35

You need ‘grey rock’. It’s the calmest way to add distance. You are absolutely not unreasonable, and just need strategies to handle her with the least drama- and that’s ’grey rock’.

It’s actually a great technique for the kids to see as well. It’s really useful.

I’m sorry you had selfish parents that gave no support. Get practicing your grey rock phrases, and just quietly delay delay delay- ‘Can’t talk now, will try later.’
’Just heading out, been a busy week!’
’Say hi to dad, I’ll ring at the weekend.’

Fix a time that works for you- while the kids are at swimming or something- and ring her then. If you have a mental slot for her, it will be easier to guiltlessly fob her off the rest of the time.

And spend the time and energy on you and your DH. I hope you find a way through. Your upbringing will have left you a bit avoidant- taught you that no one is reliable and dependable- and that’s a hard thing to work with.

easylikeasundaymorn · 26/11/2023 18:46

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 17:57

Dear god she’s just replied “What’s wrong with DD?”

None of your fucking business. You’ve met her 13 times, you don’t get to know her personal issues

yanbu but why tell her your dd's personal business at all? you know what she's like (drama magnet), as you say if dd's only met her 13 times and doesn't particularly like her I doubt she'd be happy you'd told her such private information. Just grey rock her. 'Sorry mum can't talk, busy.' When she asks 'how is everyone/you and dh,' just say 'Yeah, fine,' or 'not bad.'

WhereYouLeftIt · 26/11/2023 18:51

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 17:57

Dear god she’s just replied “What’s wrong with DD?”

None of your fucking business. You’ve met her 13 times, you don’t get to know her personal issues

TBH, your internal response could serve as an external response - a reply to her text.

BMW6 · 26/11/2023 18:56

Have you ever told her exactly how you feel OP?

Olika · 26/11/2023 19:04

Oh gosh she is a nightmare. I would tell you a summary of what you told us here. She wasn't there when you were growing up and left you guys on your own while they went off to France. And that she cannot now buy anybody's love and behave like she actually has a close relationship with you or your kids.
I would keep contact to minimum with her and if needed go no contact if she keeps stressing you out.

Createausername1970 · 26/11/2023 19:07

Stop telling her anything about your life.

Keep interactions vague and, as others have said, with a time-delay as far as responses are concerned. "Just helping DS with his homework, will try and message tomorrow evening if possible" etc.