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To think it’s my mum’s fault that I’m not close to her and she can’t complain about it

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YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 12:51

To give a bit of background - I’m the youngest of 3, all 1 year apart. My parents divorced when I was 1, and mum remarried a few years later and is still with her husband. Dad died 10 years ago.

Our house was very dysfunctional when my older brothers were teens. They were into casual drugs, petty crimes like shoplifting and generally bad teen behaviour like getting piercings - this was in the 90’s from the age of 13/14. Mum and SD didn’t react very well - they were forever kicking them out the house, my brothers had to sofa surf at their friends before eventually returning home to a frosty reception before it all started again. Lots of screaming and arguments, the neighbours were forever complaining, and nothing ever got resolved.

The boys were kicked out permanently when they were 16 & 17. Mum and SD found them a flat, put a deposit and first months rent down and told them they’d never be welcomed back in the home.

Then when I went to Uni at 18 (DBs were 19 & 20) Mum and SD decided to move to France. Mum was 45 and stopped work. Meaning I didn’t have a home to go to in the holidays. At this point one brother was at Uni at the other side of the country and the other still lived in my hometown and none of us could afford to travel to the others for Christmas, and in mine and Uni Brother’s case there was no room anyway! Mum and SD were very much “we’ve helped you out [I also got deposit and first months rent paid for for my Uni digs] it’s time to stand on your own two feet” so wouldn’t fly us out to them for Christmas or come over either. They were loaded back then after a few bouts of luck buying and selling at the right time, they were £200k up on their latest house sale (and bought very cheap in France, so had even more from that) and hadn’t had a mortgage for 5 years.

Anyway I don’t think either of them thought much about the future or grandchildren, because now, 20 years later, mum is very jealous because her 4 GC are close to their other (local) grandparents. Who make the effort, not just in terms of presents but getting to know them. They’ve spent all their money + 3 lots of inheritance on not working so only come to the UK 1-2 times a year. I don’t go over there because in school holidays you’re looking at £800 return for 4 people just for flights, and they live in the middle of nowhere there’s nothing for kids to do. So when she does see the GC she goes OTT with the smothering and buying them stuff and it freaks the kids out, I have to tell her to rein it in. She saw them earlier this year and gave her phone number to DD (10) and said “If mummy or daddy are ever mean to you call me and tell me and I’ll say nothing to them.” I was furious - DD barely knows mum and it really upset her. She’s like this with DB’s kids - basically expects the relationship of a nearby granny (like they have with their other grans) but by pure virtue of being related to them. She thinks buying them toys once a year is purchasing their love.

As an aside, she sometimes doesn’t ring for weeks - which is fine but then I’ll get a huffy message asking why I’m ignoring her and haven’t called

It’s the same with me - she wants us to be super close -and makes out to everyone we are - but I just never, ever see her. And when I do the relationship is quite tense. Anyway I don’t seek advice from my mum very often but lately DH and I have been going through a rough patch and are considering separation. We are sleeping in separate rooms and having chats about the future. Nothing big has happened - no affairs, no abuse…we are just beginning to despise each other and it’s unbearable. I spent some time away from home last weekend and made the mistake of calling mum as at that very point I thought “I need my mum” and acted on my emotions.

I really wish I hadn’t. She’s know calling constantly to “check I’m OK”. I’ve had to message between 5 missed calls to say “I’m at work and in a meeting stop calling”. Endless calls and demands for updates every day this week. When I do talk to her she demands to know everything that’s been said between me and DH. When I said “I don’t want to go into specifics, I just want a chat” she gets annoyed and says “Well I hope you tell me one day!”

She rang at 8.30am this morning. I was watching DS play football so missed the call. She sent a message saying “I don’t understand all these missed calls. What’s your problem for not answering today? I could scream with frustration and life!” I replied saying I’m watching DS play footie. I’m not calling her back - we are not close and I should never have opened up to her. This happens any time I have issues and make the mistake of telling her. Last year I went through a bout of deep depression and DH got me through it. She found out and actually shouted at him for not telling her how bad I was- he said “Why would I tell you? Yorkshire isn’t close to you” which made her cry 🙄

She’s wants a romanticised mother/daughter relationship that you get with mothers who have put the effort into being there for their daughters, who haven’t abandoned them age 18 to go and drink wine abroad while their DD spends Christmas with whichever mate’s parents are kind enough to have her. She wants to put little effort in to our relationship but for me to love and adore her like I can’t live without her. I’ve had enough. AIBU into thinking it’s her own fault we aren’t close? And that frankly she’s lucky I even bother to call?

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Eleganz · 26/11/2023 19:36

She is reaping the consequences of her own decisions. What you are seeing here is her pushing her guilt on you and your children which is just not on.

To be honest your story sounds so familiar as I have a few friends form uni days whose parents moved abroad and effectively detached from them and are now wanting a fantastic relationship with them and their children despite living in another country and not really visiting that much. They also have to cope with these unrealistic expectations and the attempts to try and transfer guilt onto them in an attempt to get them to have a relationship that they have not earned and are not really prepared to invest in.

StuartSheehyisBack · 26/11/2023 19:39

easylikeasundaymorn · 26/11/2023 18:46

yanbu but why tell her your dd's personal business at all? you know what she's like (drama magnet), as you say if dd's only met her 13 times and doesn't particularly like her I doubt she'd be happy you'd told her such private information. Just grey rock her. 'Sorry mum can't talk, busy.' When she asks 'how is everyone/you and dh,' just say 'Yeah, fine,' or 'not bad.'

Exactly! Why on earth share your DD's personal stuff? That is so wrong and unfair on your DD. Share your own stuff if you want to, not your daughter's!

And if your mum had not have asked then about her, that would have been wrong.

You are setting people up to fail. I know that sounds harsh, but you are now the one in control, not your mum. Please dont use that control by giving her snippets, then shutting it down when she asks a normal question.

organicbox · 27/11/2023 03:03

The grey rock plan is the best one. As tempting it is to explain how you're feeling, your mother is not the sort of person who can hear you. She will just make it a drama all about her.

I think the thing that is keeping you stuck is that part of you is still hoping that if you let her in, you will get the mothering you needed. So you keep telling her snippets- your marriage, your daughter being upset or whatever, and then as soon as she responds, you remember what a nightmare she is and pull back.

The way to get out of this is really work on accepting that your mum is not capable of being the mum you needed. You need to grieve that and truly let go of the fantasy - it's the unconscious hope of her behaving differently that is keeping you trapped.

She a selfish woman who only relates to others in terms of her own needs. Leaving you with nowhere to go and and no where to feel belonging at 18 is unforgivable and I am sorry she did that to you.

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 27/11/2023 03:12

"I needed you when I was 18 and in my early 20s and you chose to force me to 'stand on my own two feet'. Well that is what I am did. I stood in my own two feet. And I am continuing to stand my own two feet. That is the pattern of our relationship which you created by moving away and not being there for me. It cannot be undone simply because you now have some regrets."

LoudSnoringDog · 27/11/2023 03:32

This sounds very much like my DPs mum. She was an awful person when he was growing up. Putting her own needs before her kids ( she had split up with his dad ). Now she tries the “wonderful mother and grandmother “ charade and he cannot abide it. Last year he had to tell her that if she wanted to be in our lives then it had to be on his terms. He has had to set firm boundaries. She’s pushed back a couple of times but he’s persevered with it.
you have to do it to manage the expectations of the relationship.

THisbackwithavengeance · 27/11/2023 03:45

Everyone on here will tell you to 'grey rock', go NC, that your mum is an evil person, that you are completely not at fault etc etc.

But perhaps now's the time to take stock and realise that perhaps your mum tried her best or even that she didn't try her best but perhaps regrets it now. Perhaps she would like a closer relationship with you and is trying to facilitate that? You only get one mum and one life. Rather than ignoring her and trying to punish her why not meet her halfway?

Perhaps you can build bridges and start a new, closer relationship as adults?

That would be my honest advice.

Dustybarn · 27/11/2023 03:55

How about “Hi Mum, I am going through some difficult stuff and need some time and headspace to sort it out so I’ll be quiet on the communication for a few months.” Then just ignore her. Her neediness is not your problem.

thebestinterest · 27/11/2023 04:09

Very similar to my relationship with my mother :/
It’s painful, but it is reality.

RantyAnty · 27/11/2023 04:19

THisbackwithavengeance · 27/11/2023 03:45

Everyone on here will tell you to 'grey rock', go NC, that your mum is an evil person, that you are completely not at fault etc etc.

But perhaps now's the time to take stock and realise that perhaps your mum tried her best or even that she didn't try her best but perhaps regrets it now. Perhaps she would like a closer relationship with you and is trying to facilitate that? You only get one mum and one life. Rather than ignoring her and trying to punish her why not meet her halfway?

Perhaps you can build bridges and start a new, closer relationship as adults?

That would be my honest advice.

I agree with this.

Either genuinely try to have a better relationship or don't have one at all.

pickledandpuzzled · 27/11/2023 09:00

I’ve thought of a couple of phrases that would be honest but not accusatory-

Come on, mum, I’m not 18 anymore!
I am very independent minded- you encouraged me to go it alone and I’m used to it!

DisquietintheRanks · 27/11/2023 09:30

YorkshirePuddingBelongs · 26/11/2023 17:57

Dear god she’s just replied “What’s wrong with DD?”

None of your fucking business. You’ve met her 13 times, you don’t get to know her personal issues

If you don't want her to ask about her grand daughter then maybe don't tell her that her grand daughter is having problems?

You are justifiably angry with your mother but you are also sending her very mixed signals.

OutsideLookingOut · 27/11/2023 15:23

RantyAnty · 27/11/2023 04:19

I agree with this.

Either genuinely try to have a better relationship or don't have one at all.

I agree with this too. If there is any room for forgiveness and starting again I would.

Turfwars · 27/11/2023 17:13

A word of warning... She's a supremely selfish woman and I can guess that now she's starting to get some health niggles associated with old age that she's identified a source for her elderly care in you - I take it there's fuck all funds left for nursing care?

And as resentful as you are now that you had to pretty much rear yourselves it's going to ramp up if you become her go-to when she needs you to help her manage.

I'm at that point now and I'm finding it's affecting my mental health and my mother is not near as bad as yours.

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