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WIBU to say this to a collegue?

34 replies

orangeade1 · 25/11/2023 21:06

hello,

had a crap few weeks at work and just really needed to let it all out.

im young, female and working in a job where I have a relatively senior position but still very much at the bottom of the hierarchy IYSWIM- eg trainee lawyer (not the same job but very similar so ill use it as an example) My colleagues are fab and I really enjoy my job although its been a huge learning curve but im loving it. But there's one collegue in particular who I've had a few run ins with and it recently came to a head and I just feel so crap about it all

The collegue in question (job role of receptionist/ assistant) is loud, very extroverted and very popular and actually a nice person sometimes but notoriously speaks badly to younger females- especially new trainees.

Nobody has ever taken it further or pulled him up for it, its just been the way that when he gets the remotely bit stressed or flustered he takes it out on the younger female trainees, eg if they ask him to book a meeting which is well within his job description, he will be fine when a senior man asks him to do it but when we ask him to do it he gets really aggressive. I get on SO well with everyone at work and never, ever look down on anyone, but he seems to have a bit of a personal thing where he dislikes younger female trainee professionals- its a pattern that's apparently been going on for years. I am never ever disrespectful to receptionists or assistants- they are the backbone of any firm and I go out of my way to always try and be friendly and polite. But he has continually treated me badly since I started and I bit my tongue until now because I absolutely despise confrontation and im usually a crier, but it happened again 3 weeks ago where I was shouted at and spoken to like a piece of dirt- all in front of clients which is not only hurtful to me, but obviously incredibly unprofessional. All because I was told by my senior to ask him to book something for a client, which is his job, so I asked him politely if he wouldn't mind please booking it for XYZ and thank you very much!' he lost his shit and was shouting at me and waving his hands and telling me to do it myself because he was having a cup of tea. It doesn't sound it, but it was incredibly aggressive. he went on a 2-3 minute rant shouting and waving his hands at me. I finally found my backbone and stood up to him (later obviously not in front of clients) and told him NEVER to speak to me like that again, and that it was incredibly unprofessional and I would be taking it further if it happened again. It was awkward and I could tell he was angry that I actually stood up to him. He has completely blanked me since.

but the general attitude from his friends, which are the majority of people there is that 'this is just how he is' etc and im 'taking it too personally.' My friends at work are fully on my side as many of them have experienced similar in the past, but its made work so awkward now and I sort of wish I hadn't said anything now.

sounds a bit daft, but I did the right thing standing up for myself didn't I? it wasn't nasty or bullying for me to do so? I didnt shout, swear or wave my hands in his face. I just looked him dead in the eyes and said do not EVER speak to me like that again. just worried about it now and this is my first job so im still finding my feet with it all!

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Walkingwashingmachine · 25/11/2023 21:10

Yes good on you. He sounds like one of those stressy people that panic if they've got lots to do at once. I doubt it is personal. Just be polite and professional and try and see his good points. Maybe if you all go out for work drinks over Christmas you might get on when he's away from work.

DNLove · 25/11/2023 21:22

Good for you, so many have gone before you and not stood up to him and put him in his place so this behaviour was allowed to continue. I bet things will settle and he will have much more respect for you for calling him on it. In a few months you'll be great friends and the story will become, "I knew we'd be friends forever when she looked me dead in the eye and told me never to speak to her like that again" and you'll add "and he never has dared since"

DNLove · 25/11/2023 21:24

And forget about awkward, you walk in on Monday, act like it's forgotten about, you've said your piece and have moved on. Say a friendly good morning to him and get on with your day.

Amba1998 · 25/11/2023 21:27

I’m sorry but where do you work? Unless he owns the business I don’t get why he’s not been sacked for losing his shit infront of clients?

theduchessofspork · 25/11/2023 21:32

Of course you did.

The man is a sexist twat (he may also have various troubles in his life but that is no excuse to be rude).

Something many young women need to learn is that being loved by everyone is not a primary goal. You should always aim to be fair, and to be kind when you can, but that’s the end of your responsibility. Sometimes people won’t like you and that is fine.

Also start to be more assertive in your language. ‘I asked him politely if he wouldn't mind please booking it for XYZ and thank you very much’ makes you sound like a shy 4 year old at a tea party. It’s a work setting, be brisk and confident - ‘Hi John, would you book the small meeting room for 3pm, thanks.’ And exit without giving him a chance to huff.

theduchessofspork · 25/11/2023 21:35

DNLove · 25/11/2023 21:22

Good for you, so many have gone before you and not stood up to him and put him in his place so this behaviour was allowed to continue. I bet things will settle and he will have much more respect for you for calling him on it. In a few months you'll be great friends and the story will become, "I knew we'd be friends forever when she looked me dead in the eye and told me never to speak to her like that again" and you'll add "and he never has dared since"

I mean this is a fantasy. This guy yells at young female staff to make himself feel like less of a loser, he’s not great mate material, he’s a sexist knob.

Just be brisk and polite OP

DNLove · 25/11/2023 21:39

I bet he's a cantankerous queen! Thinks he runs the place. Over dramatic, everyone thinks his gayness is great, office gossip and everyone stays on right side of him cause they know what he says about other people. He doesn't actually like any of them.

Precipice · 25/11/2023 21:40

In a few months you'll be great friends

What makes you imagine that OP wants to become friends with a rude and aggressive colleague?

OP, you did no wrong, but it would have been better to report this behaviour rather than to go 'don't let it happen again.' It's unacceptable.

BiggerBadderBrainfogged · 25/11/2023 21:43

The concern I have about waiting for him to pop again before making a complaint is that his friends are all rallying around him and excusing/enabling this behaviour. He might be feeling justified and maybe even emboldened to do it again.

When you aren’t feeling like tears are near, you might want to consider taking it further anyway. In your shoes I would at the very least be bringing my manager up to speed, sharing the facts of what happened and noting that there has been a pattern of unprofessional behaviour towards you, and you’ve noticed potential sexism with how he treats women compared to men. I would let her know I will be seeking to take it further if anything happens again. That might prompt her to actually do something about it now. Or if not and something does happen again, she isn’t hearing it cold when you do want to take it further.

2jacqi · 25/11/2023 21:44

@orangeade1 He sounds a very sexist person to me!! he obviously does not think he should be taking order from women whether or not they are senior to him!! He is obviousIy jealous that he is in a very junior position as a male in the business! think this is one for HR

ChickenBhunaandChips · 25/11/2023 21:47

I get so fucked off with ‘oh that’s just how they are’ being used to excuse twattish behaviour. His friends enable it.

Nicole1111 · 25/11/2023 21:52

You did the right thing. If he can control himself with men he’s making a choice to be a bellend to women. Misogynistic prick

RockGirl · 25/11/2023 22:01

Why are people not reporting him to HR? And if that doesn't achieve anything then straight to the union.

Dogknowsbest · 25/11/2023 22:08

You did the right thing OP. Sometimes standing your ground is the only thing to do and it sounds like you handled it very professionally.

Dogknowsbest · 25/11/2023 22:11

In my experience, one person standing up is usually enough to nip it in the bud but I would keep a record of his behaviour and inform HR.

PegasusReturns · 25/11/2023 22:18

Be cool, confident and brisk.

and next time he is rude to you escalate to HR.

HamBone · 25/11/2023 22:18

Well done, OP, you’ve done what many of your colleagues have probably wanted to do in the past, but didn’t have the guts to!

If he gets stressed when multi-tasking, the onus is on him to manage it- and if he does get arsey when stressed as we all do once in a while-HE should apologize to whoever is impacted.

You're in a workplace, not at home, everyone should do their best to behave professionally. And you did, OP. 👏

tensmum1964 · 25/11/2023 22:33

Good for you. Please stop feeling guilty or worried it sounds like he needs taking down a peg or two. There is absolutely no reason or excuse to talk to people like the way he spoke to you. Stand your ground, stay professional and be clear with him that you are not to be messed with. He may be popular but the people that like him will also know he is out of order and will respect you (even if they don't admit it) for standing up to him.

StarlightLime · 25/11/2023 22:36

Amba1998 · 25/11/2023 21:27

I’m sorry but where do you work? Unless he owns the business I don’t get why he’s not been sacked for losing his shit infront of clients?

This.
And all this "his friends say x; but my friends say y" stuff Confused
How old are you all?!

BritneyBookClubPresident · 26/11/2023 09:51

This is outrageous behaviour . You should have went to HR and lodged a complaint

cansu · 26/11/2023 09:55

You were right. Be pleasant and professional going forward. I would be tempted to be sure that all your requests are by email or in front of others going forwards.

Ohtobetwentytwo · 26/11/2023 09:58

Other people just dont like confrontation.
He is sexist and feels embarrassed about being challenged on his behaviour.

I'm impressed you dealt with it well yourself. I'd have been tempted to to passive aggressively go back to my boss and say X wouldnt do it and let him explain himself. But I think you presented yourself more professionally 😀

DisforDarkChocolate · 26/11/2023 10:00

He sounds an absolute liability. However, if you want to become more senior all this 'polite' and 'friends' crap needs a change in attitude. Professional is what you need at work and an attitude that you expect it back.

MeinKraft · 26/11/2023 10:01

Email any meeting requests to him from now on, then you've got evidence of an arsey replies which can be forwarded swiftly to his manager.

HelloOhHell · 26/11/2023 10:02

Well done OP, you were right to say something and atleast you afforded him the decency to do it in private.

Still continue to say “hi/good morning”, whether he returns it or not. Remember, you’re still likely going to need to ask him for things.

anyone that stupidly says “that’s just how he is”, should just be ignored, their basic opinion is irrelevant.

(why are some of you assuming that he’s gay and what does it have to do with anything)

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