To object to this punishment ?

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My son is doing his GCSEs at local secondary school. They give lunchtime / break time / afterschool detentions for misbehaviour (ranging from not wearing a tie to constantly talking /disrupting class) which I support.
They also do a thing called internal exclusion which is where pupil has to sit in a different room all day with no lessons and nothing to do. My son has been told he has to do this on Monday for what I think is not a serious offence. Apart from thinking the punishment is not appropriate for the crime, I actually think this punishment is not at all appropriate in any circumstances- surely missing out on lessons when doing GCSEs is just setting them up to fail ? How is that teaching them to behave according to the school rules ?? I would object less if they were isolated but got their normal work given to them but they don’t even do that. I’m not really happy about the punishment - is this standard across all secondary schools ? I’m thinking of contacting the school to voice my views/objections but not sure if there’s any point ??

Lougle

Could you tell us where this school is please?

It sounds great and I bet if they follow through with the punishments as listed it has a better staff retention than my school where certain kids get away with all the stuff on the immediate exclusion list with a little chat with the HOY and we currently have 10 teaching vacancies.

It's not great. It would be great if the behaviours that were sanctioned were the truly disruptive ones and the teachers were applying the sanctions consistently, etc.

But some of the kids who get sent to the hub are so clearly 'regulars'. They flap around their red cards, waiting to be 'triaged' to determine where they'll be sent (some get sent to the hub, others to 'R&R'). They are resigned to their place in the hub. They chat to the teacher while they wait to be triaged and pass the time of day. They chit chat among themselves, comparing transgressions.

It would be great if they were doing meaningful work. But copying pages of a random text book, just for the sake of being given something to do - a modern equivalent of 'lines' - is not meaningful.

My children have never been hubbed. But that's because they have displayed their needs in a way that teachers see positively and have been dealt with by SEN staff, rather than sanctioned.

Teachers have it hard these days. I can see that. But I don't think a purpose built 'behaviour hub' is the answer.

Lougle

I can see what you are saying about the hub. But the general concept of certain behaviours (which may seem minor) causing you to be removed from the classroom is good.
personally I don’t really agree with sending out children whose behaviour isn’t affecting the learning of the class (e.g sitting in silence not working) but there is a massive contingent of kids at my school who spend every lesson disrupting, throwing things, stoping the teacher talking etc. when they are removed then everyone else can learn properly which is why the ability to remove is so important.

Apologies I feel we have high jacked this thread a bit.

OP - I don’t believe that your son won’t be given work although I know sometimes teachers forget especially when told at last minute by SMT.

unless you think the punishment is unfair because your child didn’t do actually do the thing he was accused of then you need to support the school.

How do you have such in depth knowledge of how this Hub runs if your kids have never been in it?

Good god what did he do?...... community service would be more beneficial surely?

Because we were given a thorough presentation from the Head Teacher before it was implemented.

Because I know parents of several children who have been Hubbed.

Because there is a 'parents of x school' Facebook group where parents of children who have been Hubbed complain.

Because I spend a lot of time waiting for a staff member on the steps outside reception, which is directly opposite 'triage', and people speak loudly.

In my school those who end up in internal exclusion must be given work by their teachers - I would get an email telling me who is in internal exclusion and reminding me it is a legal obligation to provide work if they should be in my class that day
If he is in Year 11 then I imagine that it is for something serious

My child got in trouble cause the teacher said she was using her mobile in class. My daughter said she wasn’t and I believe her as she doesn’t lie, but I believe the teacher thinks she saw her using her device so I advised her to suck up any punishment and always give the teacher full attention so she won’t get in trouble next time. You can’t go whining to the school, undermining the respect your child ought to show their teacher, and expect your child to get a teacher’s respect back.

Lots of schools now use 'consequences' on a scale.

C1 - name on board - at the end of the lesson you start again with a clean sheet
C2 - name is ticked- at the end of the lesson you start again with a clean sheet
C3 - detention
C4 - Internal exclusion
C5 - meeting with parents and head

It is rare for a student to get beyond a C2 unless it is something like a fight.

As someone else said it isn't always those who struggle, one of the subjects I teach is a BTEC and taken by a lot of students who will work their way to a good grade.

But then you get the odd student who is aiming for 8-9 GCSEs grade A / 9.

They see the BTEC as a bit of a doss, to fill up their time table and sometimes act up.

Blimey I did not expect this many replies !
the reason I omitted what he did is because it’s quite specific so could be outing and also because my reason for objecting was related to the actual punishment given. It was for behaviour during lunchtime and not during class time.
I feel I am generally supportive of the school, if my son gets a mark or detention for disrupting class or being rude to teacher he gets consequences at home more unpleasant than detention ! He is only 13 (they do GCSEs over 3 years at his school) and he is not that mature.
They definitely don’t get relevant work given to them in inclusion at my son’s school - he took some art coursework in to do and the only other resources available were maths worksheets. He has since had to do a science test to assess for set changes and missed the revision class beforehand. I agree with the pp saying that it just exacerbates the issues. My son is not suited to the one size fits all approach the education system seems to be.
anyway thanks everyone for responding - it has given me a few things to think about 🤔