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uneffingbelievable · 16/11/2023 12:06

Woman's Hour presenter is being social media abused for her interview with the CEO of an endometriosis charity and her use of the word woman

When is this madness and bullying going to stop?
Emma was right -well done

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pickledandpuzzled · 16/11/2023 16:22

I’ve emailed and used an email alias. Obviously not much help alongside half of my address and a phone number, but still.

Clafoutie · 16/11/2023 16:27

Bankholidayhelp · 16/11/2023 14:36

that bbc link feels a bit like raising one's head above the parapet. But needs must!

I know what you mean, but I have just sent my support ( thanks for the link, OP). It feels more important than ever to offer people support against appalling abuse, when they are simply carrying out their professional duty in a fair and rational way, as Emma did.

Firebug007 · 16/11/2023 16:29

Marthachanged · 16/11/2023 12:54

I learned from a letter in The Times that the head of a charity for Prostate Cancer is a Woman.
Fine, at least she does not have the pressure of maintaining a lifestyle or behaviour that is new to her.

Yes, the difference is she's not pretending to be a man 🤷‍♀️

ArthurbellaScott · 16/11/2023 16:31

The more people who email in to support, the easier it gets for all of us. And the next time. And so on.

I've used my real name, address, number. There is absolutely no reason for me not to - I'm a license payer, I'm a woman, I expect the BBC to represent and respect me.

Leafstamp · 16/11/2023 16:32

SingingSands · 16/11/2023 16:20

Is anyone emailing the charity to outline their disappointment at how they promoted themselves?

Just wondering if I ought to or if they'll track me down and stone me.

Good idea to email. I’ll do it later with my burner account .

I’ve also sent positive feedback on bbc. Well done Emma.

ArthurbellaScott · 16/11/2023 16:32

Nuca · 16/11/2023 15:46

It reminds me of a support group for PCOS that I requested to join on Facebook a while ago. Among the rules it was stated that nobody was allowed to mention biological sex, you couldn't discuss periods in case it upset trans women members, and if you were writing a post directed at the group you had to say 'hello everyone' you weren't allowed to say a general 'hey guys' or 'hey girls' etc

It's a bloody group for a condition which only affects women ffs but made women feel uncomfortable because there were clearly going to be males in the group

Outrageous. This has to stop.

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 16/11/2023 16:33

Helleofabore · 16/11/2023 14:22

No feminist would use phrases such as '10% of people experience endometriosis' which is what this charity did, under Jodie's leadership.

Just to clarify. It is 10% of WOMEN who are diagnosed with endometriosis. By saying it is PEOPLE, that makes it not only something that is common that male people can be diagnosed with, but at the same time is grossly inaccurate and halves the prevalence of the medical condition. (ie. it is 10 out of 100 women with it not 10 out of 100 of men and women).

That someone who is doing supposedly a Phd in the topic would think that is appropriate is a very good indication that this person seems to more concerned with other activism than facts that will help women.

I agree generally. But saying 10% of people have it doubles the prevalence, it doesn't half it. If the accurate statistic is that 10% of women have endometriosis, then it would be correct to say 5% of people have it (since no men have it). If you have a room with 50 men and 50 women and 5 have endometriosis, that's 10% of the women but 5% of the people.

If it was correct that 10% of people have endometriosis (10 people in the room), then it would be 20% of women (10/50).

So saying "10% of people" have endometriosis is meaningless, confusing and, as you say, inaccurate.
Saying 5% of people have endometriosis has the benefit of being correct, but is still stripping the statistic of an important element.

They went for a statistic that was misleading and confusing, as well as inaccurate. As well as just being stupid, because clearly what they've done is effectively just find and replace every instance of the word women with the word people, without looking at what it does to the information.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 16/11/2023 16:36

Marthachanged · 16/11/2023 12:54

I learned from a letter in The Times that the head of a charity for Prostate Cancer is a Woman.
Fine, at least she does not have the pressure of maintaining a lifestyle or behaviour that is new to her.

I don’t believe she refers to herself as ‘him’ or ‘a man’ and call la the charity’s users ‘people’ (and nasty names), or declare that 20 woman worldwide have prostate cancer.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 16/11/2023 16:36

I caught some of the interview and couldn't leave my car until it ended. She was amazingly strong and determined in getting to the root of things.

This charity - working for women's health should already understand that erasing the word 'woman' is not the way to go. It just seems so very odd.

I've heard Emma being really effective in helping interviewees who are nervous too. She got the best out of them!

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 16/11/2023 16:40

Firebug007 · 16/11/2023 16:29

Yes, the difference is she's not pretending to be a man 🤷‍♀️

It is also true that she does not publicly wish some prostate cancer sufferers in hell (because they fail to share some of her beliefs).

Tontostitis · 16/11/2023 16:42

Particularly ironic that men were referred to as men in the interview. Emma did very well and I hope she stays strong.

RudsyFarmer · 16/11/2023 16:44

I think we could reword that to say ‘Emma Barnett is the victim of an orchestrated Twitter? pile on by a small minority of social justice warriors’.

Helleofabore · 16/11/2023 16:44

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 16/11/2023 16:33

I agree generally. But saying 10% of people have it doubles the prevalence, it doesn't half it. If the accurate statistic is that 10% of women have endometriosis, then it would be correct to say 5% of people have it (since no men have it). If you have a room with 50 men and 50 women and 5 have endometriosis, that's 10% of the women but 5% of the people.

If it was correct that 10% of people have endometriosis (10 people in the room), then it would be 20% of women (10/50).

So saying "10% of people" have endometriosis is meaningless, confusing and, as you say, inaccurate.
Saying 5% of people have endometriosis has the benefit of being correct, but is still stripping the statistic of an important element.

They went for a statistic that was misleading and confusing, as well as inaccurate. As well as just being stupid, because clearly what they've done is effectively just find and replace every instance of the word women with the word people, without looking at what it does to the information.

My brain is mush today.

Either way, it is inaccurate and detrimental to getting women the help that they need.

Flixon · 16/11/2023 16:49

I have emailed my support for Emma too. with my real name

Dianaofthelakeofshiningwaters · 16/11/2023 16:52

Just emailed BBC - thanks for the link.

CriticalCondition · 16/11/2023 16:57

I've emailed the BBC with my support too. Real name and address as well. Emma wasn't afraid to ask the questions we want answered and I'm not going to be bullied either.

martha4clark · 16/11/2023 16:57

I have also emailed the BBC to support and thank Emma for challenging this nonsense.

KohlaParasaurus · 16/11/2023 16:57

Well done Emma. I hope the interview and the subsequent discussions make a lot more people pause and think. This appointment was a clear example of women being mocked in plain sight.

Namenumber3 · 16/11/2023 17:03

190 million women and 29 men. FFS . Womb like tissue means exactly that. It’s a female condition.

Farmageddon · 16/11/2023 17:05

SingingSands · 16/11/2023 16:20

Is anyone emailing the charity to outline their disappointment at how they promoted themselves?

Just wondering if I ought to or if they'll track me down and stone me.

I do hope supporters of this charity think twice about donating - there must be other charities that support endometriosis without peddling this nonsense.

The CEO is clearly prioritising this over the actual work of the charity.

BadSkiingMum · 16/11/2023 17:28

It should be pointed out that this is an absolutely minuscule charity. Just over £8k revenue in 2022 and £2k in 2021. Lots of PTAs take that kind of money, but of course that’s just mum stuff and almost all the tedious work is done by women, so no-one needs to worry about that!

I am not sure how they are paying a CEO anything at all. But perhaps the CEO is doing it for the CEO’s own reasons? 🤔

PS. I often comment on BBC articles that make it unclear exactly who they are talking about on the manly and universal topics of menstruation, menopause, breastfeeding or gynaecological health conditions. Will listen to the link later.

MyUsernameIsBetterThanYours · 16/11/2023 17:30

I think this is all very sad. It’s obviously quite a small charity (otherwise they would have appointed a separate CEO some time ago). Jodie clearly cares immensely about the cause and must have poured an immense amount of time and energy into it. But she’s put it at risk with one ill-thought through decision and she and the charity are obviously poorly equipped to manage the situation (on the evidence of the interview). This will have a negative impact on the charity and its beneficiaries.

BadSkiingMum · 16/11/2023 17:32

I haven’t looked in depth, but there is also Endometriosis UK and The Endometriosis Foundation.

Brefugee · 16/11/2023 17:39

Marthachanged · 16/11/2023 12:54

I learned from a letter in The Times that the head of a charity for Prostate Cancer is a Woman.
Fine, at least she does not have the pressure of maintaining a lifestyle or behaviour that is new to her.

She is a) not claiming to be a man and 2) not erasing the word "man" and iii) not claiming that because 20 women in the history of the planet gave has prostrate cancer, it means it is a women's disease and that is why nobody is to say it's a men problem

uneffingbelievable · 16/11/2023 18:00

Thank for posting the link - I would not get it to transfer.

I work in Healthcare and a recent patient told me that I just had to realise she was a woman because she had XXY - ie, 2 X chromosomes just like me. This is a well recognised condition and I had done a PSA blood test which was highly suspicious of prostate cancer and she wanted to go to a female prostate clinic.
I seriously give up on this insane ideology.

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