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uneffingbelievable · 16/11/2023 12:06

Woman's Hour presenter is being social media abused for her interview with the CEO of an endometriosis charity and her use of the word woman

When is this madness and bullying going to stop?
Emma was right -well done

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Clabony · 16/11/2023 14:12

Yes thanks @Helleofabore I realised I'd made an error there. Flowers

EasternStandard · 16/11/2023 14:16

BringMeTea · 16/11/2023 13:26

When will this dystopian shit stop?

Only when the law changes

Currently the GRA informs all this

luluofthevallies · 16/11/2023 14:20

ArthurbellaScott · 16/11/2023 12:58

YANBU.

Anyone who'd like to support Emma can send a positive comment to the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment

Thanks for the link. I've sent positive feedback, I think Emma did a great interview.

Helleofabore · 16/11/2023 14:22

No feminist would use phrases such as '10% of people experience endometriosis' which is what this charity did, under Jodie's leadership.

Just to clarify. It is 10% of WOMEN who are diagnosed with endometriosis. By saying it is PEOPLE, that makes it not only something that is common that male people can be diagnosed with, but at the same time is grossly inaccurate and halves the prevalence of the medical condition. (ie. it is 10 out of 100 women with it not 10 out of 100 of men and women).

That someone who is doing supposedly a Phd in the topic would think that is appropriate is a very good indication that this person seems to more concerned with other activism than facts that will help women.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 16/11/2023 14:23

YANBU it was a brilliant interview.
I fully support Emma.

Bankholidayhelp · 16/11/2023 14:36

that bbc link feels a bit like raising one's head above the parapet. But needs must!

Nagado · 16/11/2023 14:42

I think she was brilliant. I really hope she made some of the ‘Be Kind’ brigade stop and think.

The charity certainly didn’t do themselves any favours by doing a ‘Meet Steph’ section, right next to an unattributed quote about it being mad that they’d reached their 40s without anyone considering that it was endometriosis they were suffering from. The charity had to confirm that the quote was actually from a previous user of their services, rather than Steph, so I suspect I wasn’t the only one who rolled their eyes at the implication that Steph would be suffering from it.

OhComeOnFFS · 16/11/2023 14:42

I love Emma Barnett. She's just what Woman's Hour needed.

I haven't listened to this episode yet as I was worried my blood pressure would rocket. I knew she'd have flak for it - she knew she'd have flak for it, too. It's so ridiculous that a female presenter on Woman's Hour should be told to go along with the idea that a man is a woman.

EnoughIsay · 16/11/2023 14:47

Marthachanged · 16/11/2023 12:54

I learned from a letter in The Times that the head of a charity for Prostate Cancer is a Woman.
Fine, at least she does not have the pressure of maintaining a lifestyle or behaviour that is new to her.

But has the head of the Prostrate Cancer society changed language to remove the word MAN?

Made it "gender neutral" and dehamanize men who suffer horribly with this condition.

Does it peanlize any men for using the word MAN in that circumstance.

Does it repremand them for their cis privillage in the disease?

That was rather the point of the interview I think?

Farmageddon · 16/11/2023 14:49

Well done Emma - when she took over WH I thought she was a bit more of a 'beee kind' type of feminist, however I think because she has suffered personally from endometriosis and has talked about how it has affected her, it must be galling to then sit in front of someone who is using your condition to further their own personal agenda and expects everyone to play along. I think this is a clear example of the reality of this nonsense ideology when it plays out.

I also will never understand women like Jodie who play along with this stuff, what exactly does she get out of this?

Teentaxidriver · 16/11/2023 14:53

Emailed BBC to applaud her.

TanteRose · 16/11/2023 14:53

Feedback sent to the BBC
fully support Emma

ffsonly46 · 16/11/2023 15:23

Love Emma Barnett too!
I heard the interview and loved how when they mentioned the 29 men Emma said that's just whataboutery 😆

I will be sending my support for Emma to the BBC
#teamemma

Redbushteaforme · 16/11/2023 15:25

I heard this interview when it was broadcast yesterday and found it absolutely rivetting. I'm not always a fan of Emma but during this interview she asked the questions which I am sure many women listening wanted to ask, and was incredibly well-informed, both when questioning the transwomen CEO and the (handmaiden) charity founder. As a PP had said, if the CEO had explained why they were the best person for the job and what their vision for the charity was, it would perhaps not have been quite as bad, but the CEO's insistence on not using the word "woman" when discussing endo, and in highlighting that 29 men are known to have suffered from a male version of this disease (as compared with millions of women who suffer from endo) spoke volumes.

I hadn't heard of the CEO before but am not surprised to see the accusations above of mysogeny.

I've emailed the BBC in support of Emma, and hope other people will do the same.

ArthurbellaScott · 16/11/2023 15:27

It's great that so many are letting the BBC know that they support Emma. It does make a difference - there will be complaints going in, so if they can also point to lots of support it helps.

whatwasIgoingtosay · 16/11/2023 15:32

Thanks for the link. I have written to the BBC with support for Emma.

CormoranEllacott · 16/11/2023 15:34

Helleofabore · 16/11/2023 13:43

Yes. Laura Kerby seems to be being held up as some sort of comparator.

https://prostatecanceruk.org/about-us/who-we-are/our-people/laura-kerby

Laura is our Chief Executive and she joined us in February 2022. She’s worked in health and wellbeing for over two decades and has a wealth of knowledge across the healthcare landscape. She’s held various senior leadership positions in private healthcare businesses and was an Executive Board member at Nuffield Health, the largest not for profit in the UK.

For the past eight years, Laura has been a Chief Executive in the voluntary sector. She’s led two national cancer charities, Penny Brohn UK and Myeloma UK and has developed a patient-centric approach to research and cancer support. She’s committed to transforming patient experiences and influencing positive changes in care. Her dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer four years ago and she’s driven to ensure future lives aren’t shortened or limited by prostate cancer.

In 2018 Laura undertook a Master of Science Degree in People and Organisation Development at Roffey Park Institute to study leadership and improve her own practice.

Laura lives in Stroud with her family and her many ‘rescue’ pets – she has two dogs and three cats. She enjoys being outdoors and walking. And coming from an east end family she had no choice but to support West Ham, a team she avidly follows!

I suspect that Richards has nothing like the experience that Laura does. AND it is very important to note that Laura has not erased the word 'men' from communications for prostrate cancer PLUS is not an activist with very public evidence of misandry nor is she an activist for other causes while working for the Prostate Cancer charity. (ie. Richards is a very well known misogynist yet is now in charge of a women's health charity). So, really.... no comparison.

One would say it was a completely false comparator and misses the point spectacularly in fact.

Also, Laura isn’t pretending to be a man! I think that’s the most egregious part.

MovedByFanciesThatAreCurled · 16/11/2023 15:37

My favourite bit was when they said ‘we need to de couple this from being a gynaecological issue’ WTAF?!!!

Clabony · 16/11/2023 15:42

MovedByFanciesThatAreCurled · 16/11/2023 15:37

My favourite bit was when they said ‘we need to de couple this from being a gynaecological issue’ WTAF?!!!

I know!
What the hell was that all about?
It was the most bonkers interview about a woman's health condition I've ever heard. Have they been on the magic mushrooms?
Thank goodness Emma knew her subject.

Froodwithatowel · 16/11/2023 15:45

I'm sure the BBC is being brigaded. One moment while I get out the world's tiniest violin that the nasty lady didn't pander. Emma was brilliant.

Nuca · 16/11/2023 15:46

It reminds me of a support group for PCOS that I requested to join on Facebook a while ago. Among the rules it was stated that nobody was allowed to mention biological sex, you couldn't discuss periods in case it upset trans women members, and if you were writing a post directed at the group you had to say 'hello everyone' you weren't allowed to say a general 'hey guys' or 'hey girls' etc

It's a bloody group for a condition which only affects women ffs but made women feel uncomfortable because there were clearly going to be males in the group

Froodwithatowel · 16/11/2023 15:48

And we need to start being blunt about exactly what said males are in these groups and charities for.

pickledandpuzzled · 16/11/2023 15:50

I’m with Emma. She asked the questions I wanted to ask, and didn’t throw anything at anyone. Very professional!

Barkcloth · 16/11/2023 15:55

I've filled in the feedback form. I was so effusive they'll probably think I'm her mother 😂

SingingSands · 16/11/2023 16:20

Is anyone emailing the charity to outline their disappointment at how they promoted themselves?

Just wondering if I ought to or if they'll track me down and stone me.