Changing the law because the current one does not fit your narrative

[jemenfous37]

How is this allowed to happen? There are quite a few laws that many of us would like to break, either for our own convenience or because they don't suit our world-view, but we cannot.
So why can the Government, after 4 rejected court appeals, dare to ride rough-shod over our laws?

They could have a system where asylum claims are looked at quickly, people returned if unsuccessful. Right now people can be hanging around for years waiting for claims to go through. The most effective way to deal with it would be to make the current system actually work.

Well you’ve noticed the issue at least.

Your proposal won’t work. Demand would far exceed capacity and the reason why it’s a difficult question is because wishing it could be done doesn’t resolve the basic problem faced.

Not just here, but in many countries. Which is why new systems will start to emerge.

I think it's all about the government finding a new focus for its populist 'metropolitan elite' diatribe.

Can't blame the EU now. Let's blame the court system and echr instead. Anything but accept accountability.

No one will do this. If they did they would struggle to deal with the numbers.

I would like this government or any government to try their best to stop the organised crime gangs from people trafficking and instead set up legitimate ways to enter the country. That’s all most people want.

I agree. The only way an efficient system is going to be seen as desirable by either government or the public at large is if it also comes with a cap. As in, we'll take X thousand refugees per year but no more.

Exactly, it's not changing the law (which must go through several stages of scrutiny in Parliament) but the government trying to subvert a Supreme Court judgment, which is much more serious, constitutionally.

If you were to ask AI to analyse the situation, it would suggest the answer which makes everything fall into place is that the traffickers are paying our MPs to do fuck all.

See also: "war on drugs"

After all it's now emerging that Google and chums are quietly watering down the Digital Markets bill

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12755111/Rishi-Sunak-accused-caving-tech-giants-watering-laws-meant-check.html

Yep. We do have ‘safe and legal routes’ at about 60k per year. That could be trebled and we’d still have people crossing the channel

You can have as many people via those routes as people want generally but you can’t say no to processing extra, under law now

So people wanting a capped, orderly process at some unspecified number won’t get it as things are currently

The government is trying to redefine an unsafe country as a safe country.

They are not seeking to make a law. They are seeking to make a judgement.

I'm not sure it did either.

This government make me feel so tired. They are intent on trashing our entire system of government as well as public services.

I am reminded of a time at Uni when the Student Union met without enough for a quorum. They passed a vote removing the need for a quorum.

Would you rather we remained a Catholic country then?

No one will face the increase in people movement without reassessing current laws.

It won’t hold up as much as people think it’s possible. It won’t be

Which is why all alternative options are either vague - ‘holistic’, ‘let the gov work that part out’

Or unworkable - nice orderly capped queue

It’s hard because the system won’t deal with the change

They dont have a plan.. they just like to call people racist for not wanting hundreds of thousands of undocumented people with an unknown criminal history roaming the country

This is pure, unadulterated, arrant nonsense.

The previous government was dealing far, far better with similar numbers.

This government has deliberately stopped dealing with them efficiently in order to create a crisis so they can get the likes of Fartage down at Dover pointing at boats shouting "IT'S AN OUTRAGE" in order to collect the racist vote.

Just out of interest, what % are undocumented?

Of course it isn’t. This is being completely oblivious to general global trends.

Look beyond the U.K. and see what’s happening across the Med and how various EU countries are reacting.

Systems are straining not just here. Anyone not taking notice of outside the U.K. has very poor insight

Yes. Those countries in the Med are taking many times more refugees than we are, so it shouldn't be beyond the wit of our government to deal with the pathetic number we currently have.

Systems for the future are something else to be looked at, but the current situation could be easily dealt with if the government wanted to.

The "crisis" is that they don't want to, because it doesn't play into the narrative they want...

Lampedusa is receiving very high numbers. That doesn’t mean other EU countries are saying yes to taking them. In fact it has been a no which places political pressure on Italy.

People will at some point recognise that the issue is growing and current systems won’t cope.

Of course it can’t be ‘easily dealt with’ by anyone.

But if you think it is possible what is your easy solution for countries facing higher numbers?

I am just befuddled about why the Tories want to die on the hill of this policy. No one's asked for it, I don't think anyone's that keen on it, it would probably be cheaper and more effective to just sort out the fucking admin around refugees. But no they have to devote all their energies to a policy that was just bizarre and senseless in the first place.

Invoke the Jeromboly Crombylyn send forth the Dianne Abbots of doom

Incant the words of power 'At least they know what a woman is'

Woke, tofu knitting, lentil herding Guardianistas beware

Very good. I can’t tell if you’re pro Corbyn or not.

Maybe pro..

Not even all the Tories understand why the Tories are pushing this.

I guess it is sunk costs theory.

The proposal was stupid, it was supposed to be a headline catching gimmick, now they have got themselves stuck having to keep trying to get it done.

I think it is funny how much some posters try to defend what is clearly, as our new Home Sec apparently said, batshit.