Disruptive kids in class

[Strangerfings1]

My DC year 4 hates school and it's because of the behaviour or a few kids in their class. At the end of year 2 the classes in the year were mixed. I think because all the "naughty" kids were in the same form. Now we have a bunch of disruptive kids, including 1 with SN who sometimes gets violent when he's wound up (which another kid Seems to enjoy doing) a couple who are sort of easily distracted and get "sucked in" to playing up and 1 particular child who's behaviour is frankly a nightmare. Now I assume this child has difficulties of some sort so this isn't a blame thing but is there anything I can ask the school to do? Some examples of the behaviour of this child include hitting / attacking other children (even in the classroom!) Getting up, shouting and running around, throwing things and he even ripped all the pages out of the books in the library corner. The whole class regularly miss break time as a punishment, often miss PE due to the threat of fighting in say, football, and end up not really doing any schoolwork because the teacher is having to deal with urgent behaviour issues.
Lots of the other children are either frightened, bored or just resentful for being punished for the behaviour of a few. And I really worry that they're falling behind because they can't get work done.
Is there anything I can ask the school to do, or is it just put up or try and move schools?
Thank you.

have you go all this information exclusively from your child?

How do you otherwise feel about the school?

Move school, it's not going to improve any time soon and your child is being badly affected.

You go and talk to the teacher. You can only discuss what happening to your child - whole class punishments, missing pe. This is not on and shows poor understanding of behavioural management

Been there, done that.
Far too many disruptive and/or SEN kids in the one class (not all disruptive kids are SEN and not all SEN kids are disruptive, though some are both), not enough support, not enough realistic evaluation of whether some of the SEN kids benefitted from a mainstream setting, not enough support for the rest of the class, not enough parental input in some children's lives in general resulting in them acting out at school (across the board, not just SEN kids), exhausted and disillusioned teachers and support staff.
My son was much happier once he left primary and was mostly away from the 3-5 kids who caused most of the issues. Again, it wasn't necessarily the fault of these kids, but it wasn't the fault of the other kids who had to endure disruption on a daily basis either!
TBH, I am not sure moving schools would make much difference, as these issues are prevalent in most/many state school (cannot comment on private schools) at some point or other.

I have spoken to the teacher about it to an extent. She has agreed that it's difficult to give the other children enough of her time because she has to deal with urgent behaviour issues there and then (which I obviously understand - there may well be a safety issue). I honestly just think she is overwhelmed and the most disruptive child needs one on one support which he doesn't have. They don't even have a TS in the class every day. She has said that when they get to year 6 the children are streamed in maths and English so that will help, but we have the rest of year 4 and the whole of year 5 to get through first.

Well the reality is the removal of break and physical exercise will exacerbate all unwanted behaviour. Very old fashioned way to bring about positiv behaviour.

Speak to the school. The teacher is obviously struggling. It’s not acceptable that whole class punishments are happening and kids are not being taught properly.

You have to advocate for your child; no one else is going to do it.

Sorry a TA in the class. Not sure what a TS is.

"You have to advocate for your child; no one else is going to do it."
Completely agree with this but I'm just not sure what to ask for?

This sounds like my dd she's 8 and incredibly disruptive. Numerous diagnosis's can't cope with school. Spends her days charging in and out the classroom trashing it. She needs to be in a special needs school but there's no spaces and her EHCP was declined so nothing we can do. Until the EHCP goes through appeals and hopefully wins.
As the parent of a disruptive child who doesn't understand social norms we can only apologise. I want my child to learn too. But I also feel sorry for the other kids it impacts

I feel like the school is pretty stuck to be honest. They obviously have a duty to educate this particular child but unfortunately the rest of the class are missing out on their full education because of the behaviour issues.

@Dinnerdate1 thanks. I don't blame the child. Of course I don't. It is bloody unfair that the other 29 are missing out though. It just feels like everyone is stuck.

This is a clear sign that the school is more than likely mismanaging the behaviour of these kids and probably in some instances , driving it. Denying unregulated kids breaks and exercise is only going to be making it worse. They obviously have no idea what they are doing.

Keep speaking to the school. Find out why whole class punishments are being used, speak to the Head about the lack of support for the teacher/class. It's not OK so you shouldn't be accepting it (although it's not exactly the schools fault either given the endless funding cuts and lack of SEN provision, behavioral support provision etc etc).
You could try other schools but you may find exactly the same issues, they are common problems.

Ask for a meeting with the HT and Teacher and you ask what they are doing to keep your child safe. Voice all the concerns you’ve raised in your OP one by one and ask for the meeting to be minuted. Full class punishments are ridiculous and not going to PE for fear of a fight breaking out is madness. Ascertain the facts first then take things further if your not satisfied with the answers you get.

@Strangerfings1 Could you tell the school how you feel? When parents have kicked up a fuss before about this situation. More was actually done for my kid to try and make her calm down more. Saying that though I don't know what more could be done. If the kids like my DD, then mainstream school will never work.

You can ask what the school.are doing to safeguard your child
Also whole class punishment, s are not fair neither is missing PE
You could try moving school but things might be worse in another school.

Taking away breaks and PE is a really poor way of managing behaviour and will actually exacerbate the issues.
Most schools will be dealing with the same issues it’s how it’s handled that counts and it doesn’t sound like your child’s teacher is handling it well.

This. It will only get worse.

Ask for a meeting with the HT and Teacher and you ask what they are doing to keep your child safe. Voice all the concerns you’ve raised in your OP one by one and ask for the meeting to be minuted. Full class punishments are ridiculous and not going to PE for fear of a fight breaking out is madness. Ascertain the facts first then take things further if your not satisfied with the answers you get.
Thank you. It's not just that I want them to keep my child safe. I want them to be educated as well. Surely that's reasonable. But yes maybe the head would be better than the form teacher (who I do like by the way - I feel very sorry for her)

I think there are issues like this in most schools though.

Ok so I need to specifically mention the whole class punishments and PE issues. Thank you. How about the behaviour in class though?

Why would they stop them going outside and blowing off some steam? That's a crazy "solution" to high energy kids, isn't it? Foolish.

Yes, keep talking to the school. You're your child's voice.

Sounds like the teacher needs more support. It's a management issue 100%.
If you've spoken to the teacher it might be worth speaking to the headteacher.

I can tell you first hand it's one of the reasons many teachers are leaving. There just isn't enough staff or resources around to deal with disruptive children. It's incredibly stressful and in my school, about half the time teachers are left to deal with this on their own in a class of 30 with several disruptive children and there literally isn't a spare adult in school who can come and pull the child out. It's a shit show.

Speak to the head rather than the teacher. The teacher needs support and it is up to the head to provide this. I've been both the teacher and the head in this situation.
The harsh reality is there isn't enough funding to provide the staffing required to educate some SEND pupils safely in mainstream. Their needs aren't being met leading to poor behaviour and the rest of the class suffer. No where near enough special school provision either.
But the head might be able to allocate some TA time to the class which the teacher can't. Incidentally, the teacher will be feeling desperate. I was, when I was in that situation. It caused me not to sleep and I became a nervous wreak. I knew I was letting the rest of the class down. I begged for help from SLT but none was forthcoming and the two children in question with unmet SEND needs suffered too. I left the school and the profession.