Would you be comfortable leaving near multiple XL bullies?

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I live on the edge of a large estate and see three of them often. Two are owned by a young couple, they have shit recall and don't listen. They are often off lead running around by the newsagents (why would a young man spend much time hanging about near a newsagents, I wonder..)

The other one is also owned by a young man, early to mid 20's and clearly not big nor strong enough to control it. He's smaller than me.

It spooked us the other week as it stopped dead in it's tracks and stared when it clocked me crossing the road with my 5 year old. DS is autistic and scared of dogs. He was chased in the park last year and has never forgotten about it so can get quite stressed by approaching dogs, let alone ones that look like that.

Would you feel comfortable living close to these dogs or is my worry about my DC clouding my judgement?

Such a fear mongering attention seeking thread. Are you bored? No friends ?

You know exactly what you're doing postint this thread

@Pleasestopurbs whats wrong with the thread?

I'm a huge dog lover and have big dogs myself (deerhounds who hopefully could outrun a Bully if anything ever happened) but these creatures truly scare the shit out of me. They activate the same primal fear in me that bears do.

I don't think any kind of spray is going to stop one on a real rampage, I've seen them get shot and keep going. Terrifying dogs, I can't understand why anyone would want one. Might as well buy a pet Hyena.

I don’t like any big dogs. I wouldn’t like living near any. I was afraid of dogs as a child. Trying to ensure that DS is okay around dogs. I have no interest in animals. He seems to be the same.

I wouldn't be scared but I've not had any bad encounters. My neighbour has two extremely well trained ones which are always happy to see me when I see him walking them and my workmate has one which I've been around loads - it's seemingly only interested in food and sleep although it does sometimes try and climb onto my lap.

I absolutely love certain big breeds. We own more than 10 Fila brasileiro's, a forbidden breed in the UK, but here not. So pretty experienced with handling big potentially dangerous dogs. However, we breed them on docile characteristics within breed standards for more than 12 years now.

However, I am terrified of only 3 breeds, one of them is the XL Bully, we once were at a park when one was walking past. I was checking the nearest and safest escape route.

With this type of powerdogs, ownership is so important, muzzle them when going out, keep giving them attention love and training. If it is a dog to show off, it is bound to be a trainereck waiting to happen.

Wouldn't bother me. I don't let my small children near anyone breed. You never know.

How outrageous of it!

I wouldn't be at all comfortable, no.
I would be worried for my dogs, as well as myself.

Someone in the village apparently has one. He is a young skinny lad, who couldn’t physically control such a big aggressive dog. I'm relieved that he doesn't walk it on the towpath, where we walk ours.

My large Shepherd type is very watchful and wary of people she doesn’t know, and also of new things, like a piece of farm machinery in a field or a newly built haystack. (“Hey, that wasn't there yesterday”)
She is always muzzled when out, not because of biting, but to stop her eating poo. People find this and her direct stare intimidating. I don't blame them.

These huge aggressive, attacking dogs are a world apart, however. The idea that sprays and even gun wounds don't stop them is terrifying.

there's one sometimes near the park where my DGCs play. It has a huge chest belt thing and collar on ...............but the owner is a weedy bloke 8st wet through. So no chance he could hold it if is decided to lunge or run.

The new rules coming in for a banned dog include you cannot get pet insurance, trainers and behaviourists cannot train them as they won’t be insured, owners living in council houses will have to make sure dogs are registered or will face eviction. Not sure about vets seeing them, but if owners cannot get insurance any problems with dog won’t be covered. There are a few around here, 2 brothers got a puppy a week before the ban came in, why you would get one when it was pretty obvious that a ban was coming. They live in a council house, one brother is at school and very slight, the older brother is more stronger. The dog is now 4 months old, doesn’t seem to walk well at all, is virtually dragged to walk, it seems to want to just sit down, it also just stares at my dog when we pass. There’s another one, owned by a family with adult children, I’ve not seen this dog for a while. I really hope the police or the dog wardens will be able to enforce the new rules.

What do people think the new law will actually do though?

Theres tons of dangerous (if not the formal definition of dangerous dog) dogs, massive big dogs which arent these types of dogs and any one of them can be reported for being out of control but who to? Police arent going to come out and by the time they do, if they do, the dog and owner will be long gone.

Its common these threads to mention a 'dog warden', are there actually dog wardens left, theres none in this area

If you move OP you have no idea what your new neighbours will have as pets.

Plus Im never quite sure on how the dog is defined, people will want dogs that look illegal, do you think the police are going to take each dog reported to check exactly the DNA, I predict nothing will come of this

Aren't the XL bullies the least of your problems? I'd honestly be more worried about neighbours since from what you've described it sounds pretty rough with drug dealing happening in broad daylight in front of the local shop. The bullies will eventually be phased out but they'll be replaced with another breed. I'd be more worried about county lines and bringing your child up in this environment. Why aren't you focusing on the drug dealing?

Granted, there are lots of issues in some neighbourhoods, no one is discounting drug dealing, county lines and associated issues.

But when specifically discussing these breeds of dogs, as we are in this thread, it is the inbred aggression, unpredictable attacking and out of control element that I find particularly alarming.

No I wouldn't be happy.
I also wouldn't be happy with the standard size American Bully either.
(Actually I don't see how they can be differentiated when young).

Also DD has plans to work in a kennels and I wouldn't be happy with her going in with any kind of American Bully either.

Why don’t you eloquently put forward your ‘argument’ instead of throwing puerile insults around?

In January they'll have to be muzzled and on lead,or the lads will probably not keep these dogs, so its a self limiting problem

It isn't county lines it's inner city drug dealing and it's everywhere. You'd be hard pushed to find a Borough of London where drug dealing doesn't exist on some level. Even affluent boroughs have people who take/sell drugs. All you can do is avoid it as best you can, which is what many people are trying to do with the dog situation too.

That's laughable. You seriously think that the type of person in the op who wants to own an XL will actually bother muzzling it? That the local dealer and crime source will think to themselves "golly gosh, owning my lovely fido is now illegal without strict conditions, I'd better make sure I obey them!" I admire your optimism.

It isn't just the XLs, the Ls and Ms can be just as bothersome.

Are they included in the ban or is it just the XL's?

No chance.

Pit bulls have been illegal to own for years and you still see them about. Ex colleague has one which he calls a bully (it isn't).

Well if they don't and someone reports them , they'll get done and their dog removed. It's not about admirable optimism, but I'd Def say you've got more clout to do something about it in January.
Other than that, being near XL bullies wouldn't bother me in itself, but being near thugs with off lead big dogs would.

in all honesty I probably wouldn’t give it much thought. Though I wouldn’t choose to interact with them and would keep my own dogs well out of their way if I saw them.

I do get why people are anxious. Mumsnetters can get hysterical over a spaniel or Bichon running about, but these dogs are different and can actually do real harm if not properly controlled. All you can really do OP is keep your distance and report if they’re not following the rules once the ban comes in.