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To think no good deed goes unpunished

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caffelattetogo · 09/11/2023 23:58

Please tell me if IABU...

I was asked to run a fundraiser for a group my DC attends. It's a class to teach something I do professionally, and I have done for many years. All good, until it came to setting the ticket price - the treasurer looked on my website and saw how much I usually charge for a session. But this is in a village hall, not the venues I'd usually use, which cost much more to hire. I'd thought we could charge less than I usually do, as the experience won't be the same.
But maybe I was wrong: Tickets went on sale and have sold out.
I said I'd buy the materials and invoice them. No need, says the treasurer, and asks me to send her a list.
The session is on Saturday and the ingredients have arrived - with loads missing and much cheaper quality than I'd usually use. There's no way the food we are making will look or taste the same. I rang tonight and she isn't budging - says my list was too expensive and would eat up their profits. In total, the ingredients I wanted were about 25% of the ticket price. I'm giving my time and equipment for free.
Any other circumstances and I'd walk away, but I feel bad for the people who have bought tickets.
What should I do?

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CarterBeatsTheDevil · 11/11/2023 12:24

I don't have any sympathy for the committee at all, because the right thing to do would have been to go back to OP to discuss the costings for the ingredients much earlier on. I do a lot of free training as part of my job for charities, but if I don't deliver the session well then it's my name and professional reputation on the line, not the charity's. No one (rightly!) would say "oh well, it was free so you can't expect her to perform to the same level".

lilmadmel · 11/11/2023 12:27

I like some of the social media responses. Especially the ones that are factual and fair without being nasty. Just wondering if you could also suggest a discount code for anyone who was coming to allow them to book on one of your future classes too.

AliceOlive · 11/11/2023 12:30

VWdieselnightmare · 11/11/2023 09:20

I'd turn the whole thing into a massive joke against the Treasurer and make it clear that anything that goes wrong this evening isn't my fault and go ahead anyway, because protecting your reputation by cancelling peoples' Saturday night out could do more damage than bravely soldiering on against the odds. You'll have no control over what the people who've bought the tickets are told by the organisers. They could privately spread the word that you were impossible to deal with and ruin your reputation anyway. Who knows, if you're good at what you do maybe everything will be fine without your normal high-end ingredients. Make a virtue of coping. Remember, the people watching may have to cut corners themselves.

I'd open the evening's event with your usual introduction and saying how delighted I was to be there but add: 'Now, I need to be frank with you before we start. The organisers of this event said they'd provide all the ingredients I need to make XXX as usual and I provided them with a detailed list of my requirements, but it's become clear that quite a few things are missing because they were deemed too expensive or not of the quality I'd normally expect. I've been told that I'm going to have to work with what I've been given. So I'll be doing what I can with some unknown materials. But as we go along I'll tell you what I would normally expect to be using. So this evening will be something of an experiment. Let's see what happens, shall we?' You turn it into an adventure and none of what happens will be your fault.

Every time an ingredient is missing or not working as you'd like I'd say: 'Now at this point I'd usually add XXX, but apparently someone on the committee decided it was too expensive, so I'm going to improvise and have to use ZZZ and YYY instead.' Or 'Now, when you're doing this at home I suggest you buy XXX from Fortnum & Mason, which is what I usually use, but it will be interesting to see if the Lidl substitute will work just as well.'

You could make it very funny and make you and the audience complicit in the drama. And if your cake doesn't rise or your cookies don't crumble, you can blame the missing ingredients. Remember that there may be lots of people in your audience who wouldn't be able to afford the expensive ingredients anyway.

I think this would be far better for your reputation than calling off at the last minute. And if you ever get asked to do this again, make sure you get it in writing that they'll supply the ingredients you specify. I have some sympathy with the Treasurer, who needs to raise as much money as possible for the organisation. It would be really gutting to sell all the tickets and then find that half the income is going on ingredients. Add in the cost of the hall and other expenses and there may be very little to be made from the event.

This passive aggressive shit would annoy TF out of me. And just silly assuming people paying for a fundraiser don’t have the money to buy the proper ingredients.

BalletBob · 11/11/2023 12:32

They are dishonest and are outright lying to you. Don't feel bad at all. You know for a fact that they could easily afford the proper ingredients, because you do this for a living and have higher costs than them, in addition to generating enough profit to run a viable business. They are charging full whack, have cut corners on supplies, and aren't paying for labour or a venue. They're taking the piss.

If there's a community Facebook page then I would make a post explaining your decision to pull out, and I'd be very clear about the reasons. I wouldn't be covering for the committee at all. If I had bought a ticket for the event I would fully understand and support your position.

rookiemere · 11/11/2023 12:34

lilmadmel · 11/11/2023 12:27

I like some of the social media responses. Especially the ones that are factual and fair without being nasty. Just wondering if you could also suggest a discount code for anyone who was coming to allow them to book on one of your future classes too.

It's a nice idea but OP has to tread very carefully here.

Presumably she supports the charity in principle and her DD benefits from involvement. Talking about refunds now or discounts to future courses could come across very badly and I don't know how much crossover there is between the folks coming tonight and OPs potential future clients.

If I had bought a ticket for the event I'd be annoyed if the presenter pulled out at short notice with vague references about differences in approach, and to be honest I would remember and not talk favourably about them if asked in the future.

But then I'd also be revolted if I'd paid say £30-40 for a posh scone making event to discover I was expected to cook and eat something made with margarine.

There's no easy answer.

BellaTheDarkOverlord · 11/11/2023 12:40

It’s not just the reputation, it’s the ticket payers that lose out too. If I paid money to see Abba in concert I don’t expect to turn up and the Abba tribute band is performing instead!

lilmadmel · 11/11/2023 12:40

Yeah very true! I was trying to think of a way of not burning the bridges with all the potential customers but yeah it’s a very delicate situation😬

ilovesushi · 11/11/2023 12:48

Just adding to what has already been said. Stick to your guns. Your reputation is on the line and I would imagine the people who have booked this would be very underwhelmed with WW2 rationing ingredients.

AliceOlive · 11/11/2023 12:50

I would be specific enough:

”Unfortunately the committee informed me just before the event that they were unable to provide the ingredients necessary to make the recipe we had promised.”

I wouldn’t say much else in writing. If anyone asks in person I would just say they insisted on buying but then refused to get what was needed.

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verdantverdure · 11/11/2023 12:53

You could run a poll on your social media @caffelattetogo Grin

IS SQUIRTY AEROSOL CREAM AN ACCEPTABLE SUBSTITUTE FOR CLOTTED CREAM? (PARTICULARLY IF YOU'VE PAID CLOTTED CREAM PRICES?)

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/11/2023 12:56

lilmadmel · 11/11/2023 12:27

I like some of the social media responses. Especially the ones that are factual and fair without being nasty. Just wondering if you could also suggest a discount code for anyone who was coming to allow them to book on one of your future classes too.

That’s a really good idea. Alternatively you could even do a charity event yourself. Would probably need to be the full price though if at your normal venue.

Kwasi · 11/11/2023 13:28

At the end of the day, it’s your reputation at stake. Either pull out and let her deal with the fall, or pay out of your own pocket for what’s missing. Don’t compromise.

Strictlymad · 11/11/2023 13:30

That’s just the point- it is full price for the customers- yet getting a poorer experience than booking the workshop direct- no discount at all!

ChocolateCinderToffee · 11/11/2023 13:31

Good for you!

verdantverdure · 11/11/2023 13:44

Strictlymad · 11/11/2023 13:30

That’s just the point- it is full price for the customers- yet getting a poorer experience than booking the workshop direct- no discount at all!

I would expect that if I was paying the same price as usual I was getting the same high quality as usual.

Icantthinkof1 · 11/11/2023 13:48

@Ariela cheap 'asian shop' spices?! That's really rude. Spices are from Asia! You think just because you buy spices with a higher price tag, they're better?
There is a huge difference between butter and margarine, they're not the same thing. Spices are spices. I've used more expensive supermarket ones and the normal priced Asian spices, there is no difference.

Autumnleaves89 · 11/11/2023 13:51

Good on you, OP! I’m glad you stood your ground. Don’t risk the reputation of your business-it’s your livelihood.

Wheeeeee · 11/11/2023 13:54

Icantthinkof1 · 11/11/2023 13:48

@Ariela cheap 'asian shop' spices?! That's really rude. Spices are from Asia! You think just because you buy spices with a higher price tag, they're better?
There is a huge difference between butter and margarine, they're not the same thing. Spices are spices. I've used more expensive supermarket ones and the normal priced Asian spices, there is no difference.

Suggest you read the post again more carefully - the poster literally said that the cheap spices are often better than expensive branded versions.

VWdieselnightmare · 11/11/2023 14:05

AliceOlive · 11/11/2023 12:30

This passive aggressive shit would annoy TF out of me. And just silly assuming people paying for a fundraiser don’t have the money to buy the proper ingredients.

It wasn't passive aggressive, it was aggressive in response to the aggression shown by the organiser.

LavenderfortheBees · 11/11/2023 14:18

They have royally fucked you over. Agree a SM statement probably necessary but it will go down badly regardless.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 11/11/2023 14:21

I think it's outrageous that the committee seem to think that there's not enough profit for them, when presumably OP makes significantly less profit, doing her actual job, as she charges the same but has venue costs to pay too!

If they wanted to get extra dosh out of people at the event they could have done a raffle of related baking / cooking stuff, or something. Some supermarket tools and ingredients grouped up and put in pretty baskets or whatever would probably be quite appealing.

I've been on charity committees and in charge of buying things, of course I've tried to buy it at the very best price. But I've not bought some other random shite like a sliced loaf instead of burger buns instead just because it's cheaper and it's all bread!

What they should have done if the cost was an issue is not been so greedyapproached some local food business like a pub, and asked if they would be willing to order the ingredients from a wholesaler. That's assuming that OP doesn't buy from a wholesaler herself of course - did they even ask you how much it would be for you to supply ingredients OP, do they know if what they've bought is even any cheaper?!

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 11/11/2023 14:26

VWdieselnightmare · 11/11/2023 14:05

It wasn't passive aggressive, it was aggressive in response to the aggression shown by the organiser.

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Trouble with that is in a village environment most of the attendees are probably related to the committee.

In ours you'd end up wearing the ingredients if you did what you're suggesting! Grin

Neolara · 11/11/2023 14:28

AliceOlive · 11/11/2023 12:50

I would be specific enough:

”Unfortunately the committee informed me just before the event that they were unable to provide the ingredients necessary to make the recipe we had promised.”

I wouldn’t say much else in writing. If anyone asks in person I would just say they insisted on buying but then refused to get what was needed.

I like this wording.

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