Trans/pride flag in children's stickers

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This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

I linked up his letter to the independent about his support for Sarah Cook’s underage marriage to an adult. Is that what you are after neighbourhood?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-why-destroy-young-love-1326015.html

Ah I thought there had been a column, but I think I mi-remembered. That'll be the one then

What is 'being trans' than, if it isn't clothes, hobbies, stereotypes? What makes a person with a male body a woman, other than those? If it not a belief system akin to a religion, and it's not stereotypes of what men think women do/feel/are, what is it? What is 'your experience of gender', I genuinely don't know what you mean by that.

I wasn't assigned a gender at birth. My sex was observed.

If you find another, please post it. It will continue to add to the pile of things Tatchell ignores with his weak protests of ‘I didn’t mean that when all the things he has said since show that actually there is reason to believe he did indeed mean it.

I would happily provide you the definitions of sex and gender that I think are most accurate/ helpful

That is what I've asked you to do.

So please provide it.

Just reposting this.

yes, your request was noted. I am declining for reasons already stated.
To add to these, I am engaging in this conversation where I feel I might be able to make constructive interventions.
There are plenty of resources and websites that provide coherent and helpful definitions of gender and sex. A simple Google will suffice.

yes, your request was noted. I am declining for reasons already stated.

I think we all know why you're declining. 😉

So yes, inability to define gender ... noted.

How can any meaningful discussions be had about a concept that proponents refuse to define?

It's a truly ridiculous situation.

I think the definitions probably go to another school

So you're happy to say what being trans isn't, as you did so upthread (even though I didn't understand what you wrote, you did say 'x is not what being trans is'). But you're not willing to say what it is? Surely if you can say what it isn't, you can say what it is?

What is 'your experience of gender', I genuinely don't know what you mean by that.
I wasn't assigned a gender at birth. My sex was observed

Yes, your “sex” was observed. Well actually, (most likely) your genitals were, which provide a mostly accurate (but not perfect) “proxy” for what we think of as “sex”. Your gender was then assumed from this. But gender is so much more than genitals.
By way of one simple illustration of this, my 4 year old isn’t particularly interested in genitals, (I’m not sure how much she even knows about body parts beyond her own) , but gender is clearly very important to her. At the moment she is in a very “I’m a girl, so I only like playing with girls, girls are better than boys, I only want girls at my party, etc” phase, (despite my best efforts to dispel her arbitrary stereotypes and judgements of course). This is a perfectly normal and fairly universal state of childhood development. It’s part of gender identity development.

For people who aren’t trans, gender is so obvious it often goes entirely unnoticed .
Although not exactly comparable , we can look at other forms of majority/ minority difference to see a similar pattern. For example, it might not occur to a person who has only grown up surrounded by people with one type of way of speaking, that they have a localised accent. Not a perfect analogy, but perhaps you get the point.

*stage (not state) of childhood development

By way of one simple illustration of this, my 4 year old isn’t particularly interested in genitals, (I’m not sure how much she even knows about body parts beyond her own) , but gender is clearly very important to her. At the moment she is in a very “I’m a girl, so I only like playing with girls, girls are better than boys, I only want girls at my party, etc” phase, (despite my best efforts to dispel her arbitrary stereotypes and judgements of course). This is a perfectly normal and fairly universal state of childhood development. It’s part of gender identity development.

How does she know she's a girl, and how does she know who else is one in order to play with them? It's either bodies, i.e. biological sex, or gendered stereotypes, i.e. 'people who like pink and dolls are girls'. What am I missing here because I sincerely don't get it.

It's so complex though.

We'd never understand.

My son was observed to be male at birth. Well he was observed to have a penis so that used to mean we could assume he was male.
At 4 he quite often told us he was a dog, played "fetch" and liked to lap water out of a bowl. He had friends who were girls and friends who were boys. He quite liked wearing my tops as dresses.

Not sure what that says about his gender.

Loving the ever-increasing gibberish from @Tandora

Oh, gender is too difficult for you to understand.

Oh, I would explain but you’re being mean.

Ok 😂

I’m not saying being ‘trans’ isn’t a real thing, btw. I’m saying it’s a real thing in the same way, say, being a goth is a real thing.

At the moment she is in a very “I’m a girl, so I only like playing with girls, girls are better than boys, I only want girls at my party, etc".

Plenty of middle aged MTF trans people style themselves as "girls". I assume she would rather those "girls" not attend her party though, or you?

So @tandora if a girl was happy to have both sexes at her party she’d be genderqueer? And if she preferred playing with boys (it happens) she’d be a boy, or have a male gender identity?

Surely some small part of you can see how fucking ridiculous this nonsense is?

There is no such thing as ‘gender identity’. There are gender stereotypes, there are notions of masculinity and femininity and there is personality. But that’s it. The idea that a man has any frame of reference for what ‘woman’ feels like is for the birds

Also when you talk about some people being same sex attracted, I hope that means you dismiss the idea of men being lesbians

<happy little sigh>

I do love #OperationLetThemSpeak right after Strictly on a Saturday night.

Why would @Tandora want to engage with someone being condescending and sneering towards her?

Not if it means losing my shit over a sticker, no 😂

I’ve no desire at all to engage with @Tandora I just find it gratifying when people who come on here spouting dangerous nonsense are exposed for exactly that.

What a silly thing to say. It’s not the fact of it being a sticker, as well you know. If you saw a sticker with a swastika being marketed at children, would it still be just a sticker? Use some critical thinking, perhaps?