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HighlandCowSaysBooNotMoo · 06/11/2023 23:54

My father in law works in a government role.
Today he put a message in the family WhatsApp group asking if we could send him our addresses, d.o.bs, mothers maiden names, our place of birth, our address history, previous maiden names etc.
Apparently he needs this info from his 4 adult children, their spouses (me included) , his own siblings and his siblings spouses, grandchildren, his in laws etc. Basically he is covering every member of the family and spouses etc over the age of 18.
He has put something light hearted about it being needed for an enhanced security check that he's been told he needs for his job.
He is not changing jobs or position in the company. He has been in this job for since my husband was a wee kid!!
A couple of people have responded straight away with their data.
DH says IABU not to share mine with his dad
What do I do?

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TMess · 07/11/2023 02:04

100% normal. My husband has to collect this info periodically and he has an absolutely massive family as do I spread over three continents so it’s a total pain.

Readingallnight · 07/11/2023 02:06

TMess · 07/11/2023 02:04

100% normal. My husband has to collect this info periodically and he has an absolutely massive family as do I spread over three continents so it’s a total pain.

What would happen if someone refused to give him their personal information.
They have that right.
So what would happen re his job.

Thatladdo · 07/11/2023 02:21

Hes got a million questions to answer and asking family to make things a bit easier by collating the information for him.

The number of people outing themselves as holding various levels of clearance and even family members here is worrysome.

I dont know if its for a brag or stupidity but its the second post touching on this subject over the past few days.
Almost as if someone having a good ol' fish and the little bites of information are being freely given.

HollaHolla · 07/11/2023 02:28

A now deceased close family member in the military had to provide this. I guess they check it, whether you give permission, or not.

TMess · 07/11/2023 02:37

Readingallnight · 07/11/2023 02:06

What would happen if someone refused to give him their personal information.
They have that right.
So what would happen re his job.

Not a situation we’ve ever encountered, but he could get it anyways, they’re just simplifying the task for him and always have been happy to do so.

IAmtheVampiresWife · 07/11/2023 02:52

HighlandCowSaysBooNotMoo · 07/11/2023 00:06

No he hasn't explained it very well at all and if its all legitimate would his employers not contact us themselves for the information

No they don't.

travellinglighter · 07/11/2023 03:12

He’s being what used to be called “positively vetted.” He’s probably getting access to a new information source or a new piece of equipment/software. He can’t tell you what it is is because then he’d fail his vetting is my guess.

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 07/11/2023 03:51

MariaLuna · 06/11/2023 23:59

I'd be telling him to fuck off because that is very intrusive, and rather dubious.

If he works for the government he can put the work in himself to collect that info.

To me that sounds creepy as fuck. And your DH sounds like an idiot.

Oh for goodness sake!!! I couldn't care less about being asked for that information, what is "very intrusive and rather dubious" about it? It's OP's FIL, who works in a government role, asking for the info, not a random stranger off the street.

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 07/11/2023 03:56

Readingallnight · 07/11/2023 01:37

I wouldn’t be happy with his workplace having all my personal information including my families information potentially kept on their data base.
So it’s a no from me.

Why, what do you think they are going to do with it? I can assure you that anyone with this sort of information on their data base doesn't spend their spare time reading it and taking notes.

Readingallnight · 07/11/2023 04:04

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 07/11/2023 03:56

Why, what do you think they are going to do with it? I can assure you that anyone with this sort of information on their data base doesn't spend their spare time reading it and taking notes.

I’m ‘reading all night’ whilst you’re ‘dreaming’…..🤣🤣

apologies.
Read prev posts ….. just glad I’m not in this situation too

Scirocco · 07/11/2023 04:05

Is it that you have a problem giving him the information over WhatsApp, or that you have a problem with him having the information?

If it's the former, you could just give it to him in person.

VisionsOfSplendour · 07/11/2023 04:07

nettie434 · 07/11/2023 01:03

I do find it very disconcerting that somebody in a senior security position thinks it's OK to ask family members for personal information via WhatsApp. Surely he'd make personal and private requests if it was needed?

Why does it matter how he asks them?

Surely it's perfectly sensible to ask the group in that way, each person can choose how they reply

VisionsOfSplendour · 07/11/2023 04:13

Clarinet1 · 07/11/2023 01:41

The suggestion that he may be a spy may
not be that far from the truth - I had a very nice, quiet, unassuming cousin by marriage (quite distant so don’t know about any vetting); in my part of the family we knew he’d travelled a lot and we thought he’d been some kind of diplomat or whatever but, after he died, it turned out he’d been chief of MI6!

The head of MI6 isnt a secret, are you sure that's what he was?

HomeschoolMum88 · 07/11/2023 04:16

MariaLuna · 06/11/2023 23:59

I'd be telling him to fuck off because that is very intrusive, and rather dubious.

If he works for the government he can put the work in himself to collect that info.

To me that sounds creepy as fuck. And your DH sounds like an idiot.

You don’t get out much do you? 🤦‍♀️

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herewegoagain7 · 07/11/2023 04:21

This is normal for security clearance and not even for the top level

SunshineYay · 07/11/2023 04:21

our addresses, d.o.bs, mothers maiden names, our place of birth, our address history, previous maiden names etc. Apparently he needs this info from his 4 adult children, their spouses (me included) , his own siblings and his siblings spouses, grandchildren, his in laws etc.

A decent father and brother would already know all that info about their own children and siblings. Very odd. I wouldn't send all my personal info in a single text. I'd also be changing my security questions for banking etc.

cocksstrideintheevening · 07/11/2023 04:25

crumblingschools · 07/11/2023 00:34

What happens if you are adopted?

It's a fucking nightmare as I found out last year when I started working on some DIO projects.

poetryandwine · 07/11/2023 04:35

GarlicGrace · 07/11/2023 02:00

The OP's father-in-law's phone is hardly one of the best protected machines anywhere.

It feels a bit odd (WhatsApp aside) because the govt already has this information, but they are the exact data points used for password verification. Can't the well-protected machines be asked instead?

On what basis are you disputing my statement? Do you propose that we somehow compare qualifications within bounds over MumsNet?

poetryandwine · 07/11/2023 04:38

It is obvious from my anecdote about my middle name, ad innocent as can be, that the information provided by individuals will be collated against external sources

ALittleTeawithmilk · 07/11/2023 04:41

halloweenn · 07/11/2023 00:08

How would the govt know your mother’s maiden name though? I didn’t think people were linked to their parents in that way

Isn’t the mother’s maiden name on a person’s birth certificate? Apologies if someone has already asked this.

Herbiebanannas · 07/11/2023 04:45

It’s normal and surely that is all info a family member would know or could find out anyway?

He is just asking for people to put it in one place to make his life a bit easier.

Why wouldn’t you?

poetryandwine · 07/11/2023 04:46

VisionsOfSplendour · 07/11/2023 04:07

Why does it matter how he asks them?

Surely it's perfectly sensible to ask the group in that way, each person can choose how they reply

As PP have mentioned , WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted, making it a highly secure means of communication.

ALittleTeawithmilk · 07/11/2023 04:55

I'd also be changing my security questions for banking etc.

Definitely this.

But I’m not sure I’d be handing over all that info about myself in the first place.

Given that OP’s fil is not changing employers, or even his position, I’m left wondering why it’s suddenly necessary?

Having said that, I’m particularly suspicious of giving any info out since I came within a hairs breadth of giving my credit card info to a site that looked exactly like a clothing store I’ve shopped at online for years, but it was , as it turns out, a very professional looking scam. It’s only the extra step in paying, that had not been requested previously, that caused me to pause and rethink. As it is they got my name, email address , phone number and home address. I’ve had so many scam emails and texts since. I delete before reading any texts I don’t recognise, and I’m in the process of changing over to another email address.

Herbiebanannas · 07/11/2023 05:00

Why are people saying they would change their security questions?

I don’t get it. He isn’t asking for anything a family member or friend wouldn’t know anyway. How rubbish are your security questions?