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FiL wants all our data

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HighlandCowSaysBooNotMoo · 06/11/2023 23:54

My father in law works in a government role.
Today he put a message in the family WhatsApp group asking if we could send him our addresses, d.o.bs, mothers maiden names, our place of birth, our address history, previous maiden names etc.
Apparently he needs this info from his 4 adult children, their spouses (me included) , his own siblings and his siblings spouses, grandchildren, his in laws etc. Basically he is covering every member of the family and spouses etc over the age of 18.
He has put something light hearted about it being needed for an enhanced security check that he's been told he needs for his job.
He is not changing jobs or position in the company. He has been in this job for since my husband was a wee kid!!
A couple of people have responded straight away with their data.
DH says IABU not to share mine with his dad
What do I do?

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Mummamap · 08/11/2023 21:02

When I worked for the government I had to supply details of all my family and partners. Nothing unusual.

PetuniaT · 08/11/2023 21:10

If he works in an organisation that requires him to be SC or DV cleared then it's perfectly normal, Such relations may even need to be interviewed by his organisation's security staff. Failure to comply could even cost him a position or a promotion especially if he's moving from SC to DV clearance

Cascade39 · 08/11/2023 21:10

I had to have NPPV (non police personnel vetting) level 2 enhanced security for my job and I had to supply all this data to complete that. Perfectly normal for civil service and government jobs tbh.

Pepsi2001 · 08/11/2023 21:11

I would not give out this information!

Bellyblueboy · 08/11/2023 21:21

Pepsi2001 · 08/11/2023 21:11

I would not give out this information!

Why?

Applesaarenttheonlyfruit · 08/11/2023 21:28

twostraws · 07/11/2023 00:20

Providing the information to FIL feels weird. If this is what enhanced vetting involves, it's stupid, as you shouldn't be handing over this data to a random relative at their say-so using a method that isn't secure. It's just training people to respond favourably to text scams.

I'm used to providing my address history etc for my own enhanced DBS checks (nothing at this level) but the idea of giving someone my mother's maiden name feels really off. I think it's partially because it's a standard security question, but also because it's not 'my' information as such. It's my mum's.

I'm not saying FIL doesn't need to ask any of these questions, but I do think the Government is daft for setting things up this way!

FIL a random relative 😂

SparklyRainbows · 08/11/2023 21:33

From a data privacy perspective you are entitled to know the exact purpose for which he requires your data. You can also
ask for their data privacy notice. If he won’t provide either of those then it’s perfectly reasonable for you to say no. If he does then you are within your rights to judge them on their merits and make an informed decision on whether you are comfortable sharing this personal data with him. If DH shares without your permission he is in breach of data privacy laws.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 08/11/2023 21:35

Pepsi2001 · 08/11/2023 21:11

I would not give out this information!

In which case you would be jeopardising your relative's promotion or even job. And to no purpose, because if his employers want that information they already have the means to get it.

Catpuss66 · 08/11/2023 21:40

Harella · 07/11/2023 00:06

People who need this level of security clearance normally work for the Foreign Office or the Ministry of Defence.

They have no access to the basic personal information of UK citizens and residents. There’s no single database with everyone’s info in that anyone across government can access. That’s not how ‘the government’ works.

Honestly, there’s not even a single patient database that both GPs and hospitals can access! This country is far less joined up than you think it is.

Actually there is a system in the nhs that tracks patients via previous GP or nhs number around the country. I even found patients in prison. You are highly vetted though.

Genevieve29 · 08/11/2023 21:50

My S-I-L also works in a high-security government job. Any data he needed on us/our family had to be provided BEFORE he married my daughter, I would think this is suspicious, if he's not suddenly been promoted by more than one grade. Why does he REALLY want this info? And yes, as a PP has asked, the company would ask for this much info, not him, and most of it is available to them anyway.

Clarinetiu · 08/11/2023 21:56

This is dv clearance. If you won’t provide it, it will cause him problems. Your choice though

masterblaster · 08/11/2023 22:09

It will fuck him in his job if you don’t do this.

Herbiebanannas · 08/11/2023 22:11

SparklyRainbows · 08/11/2023 21:33

From a data privacy perspective you are entitled to know the exact purpose for which he requires your data. You can also
ask for their data privacy notice. If he won’t provide either of those then it’s perfectly reasonable for you to say no. If he does then you are within your rights to judge them on their merits and make an informed decision on whether you are comfortable sharing this personal data with him. If DH shares without your permission he is in breach of data privacy laws.

Comedy gold. Seriously.

Somif someone asks me my mums birthday, or her address and I tell them I am in breach of data privacy laws?

diddl · 08/11/2023 22:12

It's stuff he can easily find out- not sure why Op not handing it over will "fuck him in his job"!

Bellyblueboy · 08/11/2023 22:25

Genevieve29 · 08/11/2023 21:50

My S-I-L also works in a high-security government job. Any data he needed on us/our family had to be provided BEFORE he married my daughter, I would think this is suspicious, if he's not suddenly been promoted by more than one grade. Why does he REALLY want this info? And yes, as a PP has asked, the company would ask for this much info, not him, and most of it is available to them anyway.

This is nonsense - sorry

Bignanny30 · 08/11/2023 22:32

Has someone hacked the group what’s app ? Is it really FIL asking ?

VanGoghsDog · 08/11/2023 22:37

Herbiebanannas · 08/11/2023 22:11

Comedy gold. Seriously.

Somif someone asks me my mums birthday, or her address and I tell them I am in breach of data privacy laws?

It's hilarious isn't it?

In MN Land suddenly everyone, even yo mamma, is a data controller and subject to data protection laws. She'd better not ever send you a letter, the postie could see your address and she'd be in breach of.....<checks notes> "privacy laws". Ah, yes.

PollyPut · 08/11/2023 22:39

HighlandCowSaysBooNotMoo · 06/11/2023 23:54

My father in law works in a government role.
Today he put a message in the family WhatsApp group asking if we could send him our addresses, d.o.bs, mothers maiden names, our place of birth, our address history, previous maiden names etc.
Apparently he needs this info from his 4 adult children, their spouses (me included) , his own siblings and his siblings spouses, grandchildren, his in laws etc. Basically he is covering every member of the family and spouses etc over the age of 18.
He has put something light hearted about it being needed for an enhanced security check that he's been told he needs for his job.
He is not changing jobs or position in the company. He has been in this job for since my husband was a wee kid!!
A couple of people have responded straight away with their data.
DH says IABU not to share mine with his dad
What do I do?

no way would I give one person all this data.

especially not via whatsapp

is he being conned?

Genevieve29 · 08/11/2023 22:41

Bellyblueboy · 08/11/2023 22:25

This is nonsense - sorry

How so? What is YOUR experience, and at what level of security?

BooneyBeautiful · 08/11/2023 22:44

VanGoghsDog · 08/11/2023 20:39

It's not the highest level actually, there is a "higher" level. I'd tell you more about it but then I'd have to kill you.

The idea that just because someone needs the vetting means they have access to all personal data in the UK is so ludicrous. At GCHQ, for example, even the reception staff need DV clearance, and they don't have access to diddly squat! I had to be vetted (not full DV) just to visit.

Btw, you don't need the information (which is not "sensitive data") for DBS, it's for SC or DV. DBS, even the enhanced one, is only about you, not your associates.

Yes, I looked into when a close relative of mine had to undergo DV a few months ago.

Enhanced Developed Vetting appears to be the highest level of vetting:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/united-kingdom-security-vetting-clearance-levels/national-security-vetting-clearance-levels#enhanced-developed-vetting-edv

National security vetting: clearance levels

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/united-kingdom-security-vetting-clearance-levels/national-security-vetting-clearance-levels#enhanced-developed-vetting-edv

MustWeDoThis · 08/11/2023 22:45

This is totally normal for security checks, unfortunately.

I work for the Government and my husband works for an IT company which serves massive, global/corporate security contracts, emergency service contracts, financial contracts, big car companies etc...they've really made him jump through some hoops to get a promotion he applied for. He's already working the new contracted hours but cannot have the 20% payroll until all of these security checks have been signed off.

They will turn it down for bad credit history and CCJ's. That's how intrusive these checks are.

I was really peed off at it all and it has caused utter misery.

So intrusive they wanna know what your dog had for breakfast and the colour knickers you have on. These are now the standard security checks. My whole family and his have had to give up this data to make sure we don't work for the Mafia.

squidgybits · 08/11/2023 23:01

yeah, I wouldn't
keep saying to him you will, and then don't
His job is not of your concern! tory wanker

VanGoghsDog · 08/11/2023 23:07

Not everyone who works for the govt is a Tory. In fact, most probably are not.

saraclara · 08/11/2023 23:07

squidgybits · 08/11/2023 23:01

yeah, I wouldn't
keep saying to him you will, and then don't
His job is not of your concern! tory wanker

You think that everyone who works for the government is a Tory wanker? Every civil servant? Every prison officer?

Bristoluser · 08/11/2023 23:10

I had to do this for a government role. It felt very intrusive for me and my husband.