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AIBU to ask if there is anything at all that works as it should in the Uk?

213 replies

Lavendersquare · 03/11/2023 15:36

Just been having a discussion with a colleague and between us we can't think of any public service/government department or agency that is delivering a decent service. Examples include:

Education
NHS
Immigration
Police
Social care
Roads
Railways
Dental Care

it never used to be like this, there was a time when things worked, were maintained and replaced. Now it seems everything is left to the last minute and patched up or left to deteriorate.

What's happened?

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FelicityFlops · 03/11/2023 16:43

Sorry, people, it is not just the Conservatives.
Labour started undermining the education system in the mid-1970s.
Then came New Labour in 1997, which basically devalued everything else.
Add to that the (if you believe the press) massive influx of "foreigners" and you have a big mess.
I do no think the modern Conservatives are the right people to whom the country should be entrusted, but, currently, there is no alternative.

Fifteenth · 03/11/2023 17:03

Too much Government.

These things won’t be fixed until we have a drastic cultural reversal away from our current big Govt attitudes. We aren’t learning from Venezuela or Argentina so I suspect we will need to get hungry before we make any attempt to resolve this.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 03/11/2023 17:07

Where I live, the trains are actually pretty good.

Erm, that's it. And smear tests seem to run smoothly in my area - I get a reminder, I call for an appointment and get the result promptly. The covid vaccine roll-out was very efficient too.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 03/11/2023 17:08

BarbaraofSeville · 03/11/2023 16:25

Would that be the same public sector staff where the administrators and junior technical staff are on NMW more or less and anyone qualified is earning a lot less than they would be in the private sector, leading to a massive recruitment and retention crisis?

I thought it was because they have massive application forms, demand the Moon on a Stick and most people will take a look, sigh. and apply elsewhere?

I am being slightly facetious - I know pay isn't good.

Fairyliz · 03/11/2023 17:15

Education; worked here and the main problem was demanding, entitled parents who have bought up lazy children with no concentration who can’t be disciplined.

NHS isn’t this a victim of its own success? Medical advances mean we can keep people alive for much longer using vast resources. 10% of budget spent on controlling diabetes mainly due to people stuffing themselves.

I am sure there are reasons for some of the other problems but it’s always easier to complain than change people’s behaviour.

CranfordScones · 03/11/2023 17:32

The NHS 'gravy train' (a phrase used on mumsnet) seems to be working well for many of its employees, or maybe it's just the ones removed from actually treating people.

Fifteenth · 03/11/2023 17:38

CranfordScones · 03/11/2023 17:32

The NHS 'gravy train' (a phrase used on mumsnet) seems to be working well for many of its employees, or maybe it's just the ones removed from actually treating people.

Yup. That’s what it’s for. And for politicians to have something to control.

LoneFemaleTraveller · 03/11/2023 17:39

The rail replacement bus service is very regular…

SharonEllis · 03/11/2023 17:40

FelicityFlops · 03/11/2023 16:43

Sorry, people, it is not just the Conservatives.
Labour started undermining the education system in the mid-1970s.
Then came New Labour in 1997, which basically devalued everything else.
Add to that the (if you believe the press) massive influx of "foreigners" and you have a big mess.
I do no think the modern Conservatives are the right people to whom the country should be entrusted, but, currently, there is no alternative.

Please read up on all Labour did from 1997 onwards. They made mistakes, of course, and then there was a global finacial crisis triggered in the US. But from 97 Labour fixed and improved so many things. The Tories have done some things right but generally the decline of the last 13 years is completely at their door. And then, just watch the covid enquiry. Incompetent, entitled, narcissistic, misogynistic charlatans accelerating when their colleagues had already started. Oh, and Brexit, which is also entirely their fault.

Fifteenth · 03/11/2023 17:56

SharonEllis · 03/11/2023 17:40

Please read up on all Labour did from 1997 onwards. They made mistakes, of course, and then there was a global finacial crisis triggered in the US. But from 97 Labour fixed and improved so many things. The Tories have done some things right but generally the decline of the last 13 years is completely at their door. And then, just watch the covid enquiry. Incompetent, entitled, narcissistic, misogynistic charlatans accelerating when their colleagues had already started. Oh, and Brexit, which is also entirely their fault.

They weren’t mistakes. Labour deliberately grew the State to a point of no return. They need more people to be poor.

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 03/11/2023 18:01

That makes no sense whatsoever. So they grew the state to a point of no return from which it was immediately rolled back, and they wanted to make people poor… why? So they could give them more money for sh*ts and giggles? So they could lower their own tax revenues?

Fifteenth · 03/11/2023 18:15

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 03/11/2023 18:01

That makes no sense whatsoever. So they grew the state to a point of no return from which it was immediately rolled back, and they wanted to make people poor… why? So they could give them more money for sh*ts and giggles? So they could lower their own tax revenues?

Labour’s selling point is: you can’t afford your life, we will provide services and make someone else pay.

That only works if they make people poor.

The point of no return because too many people have been put under so much economic strain that they think they can’t get by without big Govt.

I would love to be wrong but I don’t see this changing until we have suffered like Venezuela.

MyBedIsMySpiritualHome · 03/11/2023 18:50

What absolute bollocks.

Labour’s selling point is: we are a society and together we want to succeed.

They want public services like education and health that are for everyone, and that everyone contributes to. Not to squirrel away billions for their mates while bleeding resources and organisations the country has spent years building up dry.

thesnailandthewhale · 03/11/2023 18:56

999 - yes there may be a delay for ambulances sometimes but stop and watch anytime there are blue lights flashing - traffic will always move out of the way.

Midnightkittycat · 03/11/2023 19:01

Can we add the courts, HMRC, the Office of the Public Guardian, the Land Registry...

But also all of the utility companies, several banks and numerous investment companies. It's not just public sector.

Then my staff and I get blamed by clients for having backlogs, when we are spending hours chasing other organisations.

It's government cuts, and private companies putting profit over service. No one is accountable any more.

CloudPop · 03/11/2023 19:02

Driving tests. If you live in London you have to pay a "fixer" to get you a date.

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 03/11/2023 19:09

Fifteenth · 03/11/2023 18:15

Labour’s selling point is: you can’t afford your life, we will provide services and make someone else pay.

That only works if they make people poor.

The point of no return because too many people have been put under so much economic strain that they think they can’t get by without big Govt.

I would love to be wrong but I don’t see this changing until we have suffered like Venezuela.

Why would they want to do that? Supervillains just doing things for power only happens in Disney films and Star Wars. Even if politicians solely do things out of ambition and ego, they probably have some idea about how they roughly want to run the country beyond “let’s ruin everyone’s life and make everyone dependent on us for money that we’ll get from… somewhere”.

Also, unless I’ve missed a lot of the past decade the cost of living crisis happened under the Tories, food banks (not government-led) have multiplied like crazy under the Tories, the benefits system has been screwed up under the Tories.

I am not saying Labour are perfect but sometimes you have to hold your nose and get slightly higher than the bottom of the barrel. Ten years ago you could send a letter and trust it to arrive. Fewer people were waiting for literal days outside A&E. Poorer children found it easier to access free school meals. The prison population was lower and criminal and other justice was swifter and less creaky. Immigrants and refugees were more welcome and enriched our society. University tuition was a third of what it is now (yes, the LDs agreed but it was a condition of the coalition agreement insisted on by the Tories). I could go on for probably days.

verdantverdure · 03/11/2023 19:10

That VIP Lane where friends of and donors to the Conservative Party MPs got contracts to provide PPE or covid testing or covid tracing or storage of PPE or burning of PPE at 10x market rate seems to have worked perfectly.

Friends of and donors to of the Conservative got significantly richer, the country got screwed to the tune of billions, and our children will be paying for it all their lives.

Exactly as planned.

verdantverdure · 03/11/2023 19:13

Water.

My parents are without water since Storm Ciaran and have no idea when it might return.

Bottled water stations arrived this afternoon but the queue for them was over three hours.

evryevrytime · 03/11/2023 19:14

22 million people in the UK receive some form of benefits so that's working pretty well.

I thought the Covid vaccine rollout worked pretty efficiently even if the entire rest of government's handling of it was a shitshow.

Er, what else. The Queen's funeral and the King's coronation? We do big state events quite well.

That's it, I'm out Grin

Lifeinlists · 03/11/2023 19:14

@BarbaraofSeville
There was virtually no litter, public buildings etc were clean and well maintained - my God, how shabby the UK airport we flew back into looked in comparison.

Shabby. That's a really apposite descriptor of the country in general these days, sadly.

MidnightOnceMore · 03/11/2023 19:17

Fifteenth · 03/11/2023 17:56

They weren’t mistakes. Labour deliberately grew the State to a point of no return. They need more people to be poor.

This is funny. Obviously a total nonsense, but funny.

IdaPrentice · 03/11/2023 19:18

I went to Spain in the summer and tried to book a train 3 days in advance from a major city to a city on the coast. All the trains were 'full'. Not possible to get a train at all at any time. I tried online via many different websites. Nope. I even got a taxi to the station on the day to see if it was possible to buy a ticket in person. Nope.

I mean the trains in England are expensive and unreliable but at least you can actually get a ticket!

BertieBotts · 03/11/2023 23:38

I think it's been about 15 years. 2008 seemed to be the start of the downturn, everything was looking fairly good until that point, it felt like the UK was ahead of many European countries in progress. Since then though it seemed like all the "Austerity" stuff has just been an excuse to cut back and strip back and sell bits off until it's barely functioning and the slightest hitch causes a huge catastrophic domino effect. And the UK stood still and then eventually started to implode while the rest of Europe has just been steadily plodding on and 15 years later, the situation is reversed where the UK is way behind everyone else. It's absolutely unbelievable the difference. I moved away 10 years ago and it is so strange. (I'm sure that also skews my perspective).

I don't know if anyone here plays management games like Dwarf Fortress or Theme Hospital or Prison Architect etc - you set up systems and then deal with steadily higher demands over time.

If you set everything up so it's perfectly efficient and just about running with no excess and no wiggle room, everything works fine as long as everything is fine. But you'll find that one small hitch will have a domino effect into everything else, and before very long you'll have a total disaster situation where everyone is rioting, there is vomit all over the floor, people are dying left right and centre and you lose the game.

Whereas, if you set it up with a bit of wiggle room, it might seem extravagant or wasteful but it means that when one thing gets held up everything else can simply keep moving and the held up thing will recover and then get back to work again without anything more than a slight bit of mess to clear up.

But once you're in the survival state where nothing is working and all the systems are creaking on right at breaking point it's really hard to get things moving as they should again. You can do it but you normally need to go and look at strategy guides if you don't want to simply start over.

I know, obviously, that a game is nothing like real life and not what the politicians are dealing with. But I do remember reading some articles about the whole idea of austerity being a scam because it was being spun as the sensible thing to do, like a household budget, if you're lean on money then you tighten your belts and reduce outgoings, so duh, the country can do the same and we'll get some spare money back. The articles pointed out that that isn't how it works - when you're managing something like a country, much like in those management games, you have to invest some excess into each system to allow for some flex and flow and in the short term this means spending more, but it returns so much in the long run.

I don't know if that article was right. But I do know that considering we've had 15 years of austerity-like measures, I mean surely we should have built back that surplus again by now? We ought to be rolling in piles of money according to the "tighten our belts" presentation. Yet, apparently not. Everything still seems to exist as though we're scrabbling for pennies at the bottom of the sofa still. And it seems that it's getting close to (if not already at) the point where one service breaking is creating a spillover effect into other services and before you know it multiple things are collapsing and it's all a big disaster, and that seems incredibly worrying.

Levels of trust in government, healthcare, police, social services etc just seem to be getting lower and lower, and that's dangerous because it lets in cults and scammers to fill the gaps.

stickygotstuck · 04/11/2023 00:49

IdaPrentice · 03/11/2023 19:18

I went to Spain in the summer and tried to book a train 3 days in advance from a major city to a city on the coast. All the trains were 'full'. Not possible to get a train at all at any time. I tried online via many different websites. Nope. I even got a taxi to the station on the day to see if it was possible to buy a ticket in person. Nope.

I mean the trains in England are expensive and unreliable but at least you can actually get a ticket!

I'd much rather be told straight up that there are no tickets than what usually happens here - you pay the extortionate price and the train gets cancelled (as do the following two). Or there are no seats and you have to stand for two hours. So they've sold you a seat that doesn't exist!

Also, I bet demand far outstrips supply when travelling to the coast in Spain during the summer holidays, but not the rest of the year. So a temporary issue.