Influencer kicked out of Starbucks for having scabies

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A well known influencer called Elphaba was removed a Starbucks this week due to having scabies. Multiple people called the branch she was at informing the manager she has scabies. There seems to be some confusion as to whether she is on effective treatment for it.

Was the manager right to remove a paying customer from its premises?

Elaphaba the hideous fake autism TW?

Scabies? Is she a pirate?

Sounds like getting hoofed out of Starbucks is the least of his problems.

That's scurvy 😄

Scabies is definitely infectious and is on the list to be aware of if you are immuno compromised. I am and am very much aware of it. However, I would not necessarily expect all patrons of a cafe/restaurant to be infection free. I take my own precautions and those who I may be in actual contact with know to let me know of certain ailments. So actually Starbucks are wrong here, but I understand why they did it.

All contagious diseases are infectious.

Contagious means you can catch it from another person. It doesn't mean you have to have close contact though. You could just touch the same surface or breathe the same air for example.

In the case of scabies it can be transferred via surfaces if someone rubbed their skin on a rough surface and someone else touched it. Probably fairly unlikely for adults although it happens with animals

I just looked Elphaba up... if ever you need proof that the trans movement is all about mental illness and social contagion driven by social media, likes and becoming the victim. All the people wilfully affirming this troubled young man should be ashamed of themselves.

It's mites not lice and of course it is infectious. Scabies is a parasitic mite infection with Sarcoptes scabeii mites. Infectious means it can be spread between individuals (as opposed to something like cancer or diabetes)

Yep.

Many years ago, a staff member came into work my place of work, to say she would be off. She asked if I’d watch her daughter when she went to speak to the manager. Her daughter was 2 and came and climbed on my lap, which I didn’t mind, as she was little. When the staff member out from speaking to the manger, she dropped into conversation that her daughter had scabies. I then got it.

Ah ok I thought it was a male when I searched to see who they are!

I’m so concerned that this is the world I’ve brought my children into. Why are these people considered “famous” and how?

He's a bloke! He IS NOT a woman!

Scabies are also called skin lice. You catch them from skin to skin contact. My DD caught it from her boyf. My dh got them from her but even sharing a bed with him I didn't catch them.

The itching is caused by the skin becoming infected by their excrement. You can be carrying them for a while before you know that you have them.

To get rid you and everyone in your household needs to use permethrin lotion every 3 days and wash all the bedding, clothes and towels you have used on a boil wash. Spray the mattress replace pillows. If you can move out for at least 3 days.

Permethrin is really difficult to get hold of at the moment - we ended up getting it from India.

It has taken months to get rid.

Nope. You get infected with bacteria and viruses. You get infested with lice. It’s not possible for an insect to infect you - it infests you.

Scabies is an infestation not an infection. Yes it can be spread between people but it absolutely is not infectious.

It is highly transferable!
My mother caught it from a co-worker whose coat touched other coats in the staff room.
A full body treatment of insecticide was needed a few times; all bedding washed and dried on hot daily; couches shampooed and covered with sheets and sheets laundered on hot daily; any towels etc had to be single use and immediately washed. It was awful! My mum suffered terribly with itching until the medication began to work. Avoid at all costs and stay home and treat it properly if you catch them - including anyone who lives with you.

Ugh.

Oh I’m gonna piss everyone off now because I had scabies once - its extremely easy to catch IN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES!

I got it from sleeping equipment on a camping trip (school organised one).

So either the ground liner or the tent or something- don’t know exactly. It was pretty awful for a few days just terrible itching on my thighs. However once I realised what it might be, went straight to the Dr (aaah good old pre covid days!), got the cream and was gone within a day or two.

Got to be honest, if I had been thrown out of Starbucks for it I’d have been mortified and actually really angry, when I go into a coffee shop I don’t generally go naked nor when clothed so I rub myself against people or the seating or anywhere else.

like a regular person I generally order my drink, have no physical contact with other patrons, sit fully clothed on a chair and when finished throw all my rubbish away and wipe away any crumbs or whatever.

this person sounds deranged but there is no legality around having an infectious disease in public is there? (despite the tin foils trying to make coughing illegal).

It doesn’t matter if it’s morally right or wrong, removing someone based on a health condition is very dodgy grounds.

Headlice jump. Different.

Fewer children die of chicken pox than from covid (5 v 14) and far fewer adults. It doesn't seem particularly logical to get more wound up about the less harmful disease (esp as most people get CP only once).

Scabies is even less serious.

See this sounds awful but that is not my experience at all - had some itching for 2-3 days before doing googling then it clicked what it was.

Cream applied as per instructions and all gone within 2 days. Washed bedding and stuff of course but no one else caught it despite sharing bed and house before even realising what it was.

as most things, there is a scale. Minor through to major infestation

That's scurvy.

I had it once but I don't recall having to put lotion on every three days and boiling everything and we certainly didn't all move out for three days. I was the only one in the family that used the lotion and stuff like bedding was washed. Maybe the lotion was better in the 70s than it is now

The pirate comment has really tickled me

I've never heard of him, but I remember when my eldest caught scabies and everyone in the house had to be swabbed down with lotion and all the towels and bedding had to be boil washed and everything else on the hottest wash possible.
It was a bloody nightmare.