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Someone needs help but have discovered a chequered history

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Amaryllis123 · 01/11/2023 23:58

Attempt at long story short. Which will fail as I don't want to drip feed. Have NC as some details are outing.

Tradesman we’ve known for a number of years - at one stage he did a project for us where we saw him in our home almost every day for 6 months - came over a few days ago to discuss some new work with us and turns out has fallen on very hard times. Very depressed, has lost a lot of weight and says he has thought about ending it. Currently homeless. In the last couple of days we’ve given him £100 for food and petrol and paid the arrears on his storage as otherwise his stuff including his tools was going to be disposed of (storage company corroborated this to me). We felt, given what he told us, that if he lost his tools he’d be finished altogether. We agreed that we’d do this as an advance on the work we had been discussing.

We also offered that he could stay in our annexe for a few weeks while he got back on his feet and in return he’d do the rest of the work on our property - but he’ll do that in the evenings and at weekends and will be out earning revenue on work days, so he can get a deposit together for a flat etc.

He’s a good guy, very likeable, had a very hard start in life but seemed to us to have turned it around until he recently broke up with his gf and is now homeless as a result. He is really very good at what he does.

However today we’ve spoken to some other people he has worked for, friends of ours who we trust, and have discovered that he has been drinking, gambling, almost certainly taking drugs, that the job he did for them was the biggest he’d ever done, with him project managing other tradesmen but he spaffed most of the money, about £50k over a year, didn’t pay his workmen, one of whom was an inlaw to whom he now owes about £1000, he has been taken to court by at least one other quite prominent tradesmen he didn’t pay, when still with the gf was hiding in the bathroom at home so he could gamble online without his gf knowing. To cap it all friend asked me if I knew he’d been to prison. She’d done a Google search and about four items in is a newspaper article about him being a sentenced to more than 4 years for a serious violent crime. He got out just over 7 years ago. She says the reason he is homeless and has nowhere to go is because he has screwed everyone, let everyone down, owes money here there and everywhere. She said it's such a shame because he's really talented at what he does. She had at one stage offered to let him stay at their property, and even the guy who is suing him had at one stage offered to let him stay with him, they were good mates befriend it all went pear shaped. So she could understand why we had also made such an offer but she said Amaryllis lots of people have offered to help him yet he's still in this predicament now.

I really mean this - he is a good guy and we still want to help him. We do think he needs help. I feel really sorry for him. He has said quite a few times over the last day or two that he is so glad we haven’t judged him. I was really disappointed to see the article about his offences but at the end of the day he did his time and he hasn’t committed any further crimes since then. However that newspaper article, which has his very recognisable picture, will probably be online forever now.

Obviously we are not now going to let him stay in our annexe. I’ve asked him to come here tomorrow so I can tell him this face to face. I don’t know how he’ll take it. I think it’s more likely that he will cry than he will be angry and threaten us.

I also want to tell him that we are still happy for him to leave his stuff here, it can stay in an outhouse. The outhouse needs some repairs, he knows this, it's one of the jobs we discussed, and he doesn’t want his stuff to go in there until it’s waterproof and sound so my attitude is ok do the work to make it so, you owe us that for paying off the storage arrears. We are also happy to help him with looking overall at his situation, what money he owes, how to get him out of this current situation by helping him market his work, and just generally keeping an eye on him, offering a listening ear.

We won’t give him any more money upfront. I'm concerned the money we've given him so far has maybe been squandered already. I can call the storage place tomorrow morning myself to check, that will be interesting. He has plenty of skills and there is plenty he could do for us to earn money as he goes along.

My AIBU is - are we being unreasonable to continue to help him? would it be reasonable to say “you know what? you are not our responsibility, there’s a reason why you are telling us that your gf has thrown you out, you haven’t seen your Mum for 2 years, that your siblings won’t help you, that you have no friends, and despite your obvious skills which are very transferable and useful, no money. You’ve told us yourself that you are a drinker and a gambler, and we strongly suspect now that drugs are also involved and we know people like you lie to get your way. You won’t change.”

He’s not a relative or friend, just a tradesman we are fond of. But he has a lot of good qualities and if we don’t help him now then who will, it could be the last straw.

YABU - don’t get further involved. Cut your losses now.

YANBU - continue to help him. Everyone deserves a chance particularly if they have truly finally hit rockbottom

Sorry it's so long. Thanks for reading. Look forward to the responses.

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Wasywasydoodah · 02/11/2023 00:06

It’s entirely up to you of course. But he will almost certainly prioritise the gambling and drugs over everything at this point. He hasn’t been honest and open about his problems. There is no sign he wants to change his behaviour. So the likelihood is that he will take your money/stuff if at all possible. After all, he’s probably done it to his own family and friends, so why not you?

He will lie to you and try to manipulate you to keep you helping him. If you’re ready for that then go for it. If not, then don’t feel you have any obligation to help.

PurpleChrayne · 02/11/2023 00:08

He's riding you like a bucking bronco!

Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 00:12

PurpleChrayne · 02/11/2023 00:08

He's riding you like a bucking bronco!

Yeah I think so. Stops tomorrow. But still I feel guilty. We could cut him off completely tomorrow or he might hightail it when we make clear that no more money will be forthcoming, I dunno.

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Someoneonlyyouknow · 02/11/2023 02:07

His addictions are not going to change unless he wants to change. He probably can't do that without outside help. At the moment I think your help would simply be enabling him to carry on his self-destructive path. I am sorry. For you and for him. But unless he wants to make difficult decisions and get help there is nothing you can do.

AliceOlive · 02/11/2023 02:39

i have some experience with this. I think you can figure out how protect yourselves while also offering him help. You can be kind without being fools. That is one of the best ways to help, IMO.

One thing that has helped me from getting overly involved is knowing the person is aware of how to get help when they decide to do it. Are there resources in your area for the homeless and for addicts? If so, make sure he has that information so that you can comfortably step back when you feel it is time.

And don’t get too attached to his outcome.

HippeePrincess · 02/11/2023 03:06

Are you mad? You want to still invite a violent criminal addict to work in your home, and also tell him face to face something that’s probably going to make him angry. Sounds great, what could go wrong?

Forgottenmypasswordagain · 02/11/2023 03:25

He needs help but from addiction services. Maybe find out info about the local AA's when you look for the mens homeless shelter?

junbean · 02/11/2023 03:55

As long as the violent crime wasn't rape or hurting a child I wouldn't care about that part. It's way in the past. I wouldn't judge any of it actually. Just put clear boundaries up.

I once helped a homeless man who very much deserved it and he went on to become a priest in the Vatican. I've also received help myself so I know how important it is to care for others. He may not straighten out any time soon- addiction is a real bitch- but you might save him from suicide. So I think it would be worth the trouble.

junbean · 02/11/2023 03:56

HippeePrincess · 02/11/2023 03:06

Are you mad? You want to still invite a violent criminal addict to work in your home, and also tell him face to face something that’s probably going to make him angry. Sounds great, what could go wrong?

Do make sure DH is home!

Hippodogamus · 02/11/2023 03:57

OP Why is your post so BIG and BOLD? Is this an AI thread???

Whydoifeelsobadallthetime · 02/11/2023 04:06

I think you and your DH are kind souls, but I absolutely would not be having h anywhere near myself or my house.
I know someone like this. Until about 6 years ago, he projected himself as very successful, running the family business, lots of money, lots of opportunities. Was regaled for his skill set.
Until one day the business was closed, letting go of all of the staff they had, who went unpaid, his parents lost pretty much all of their assets, he remortgaged every asset his parents owned under them, his children were made homeless. Not before he found a woman to have an affair with, who he went to live with as his wife battled to try and keep their home that he had remortgaged for gambling and drugs.
Hes stolen off of everyone he knows, he's stolen multiple people's identities to keep himself able to keep gambling and most notably, his parents are in their 70s, both still working because they don't have any of the assets or savings they once had for their retirement.
I'd absolutely wash my hands of it. If he's done bad enough that his family have nothing to do with him, I'd take that as a warning he's willing to fuck people over for his addictions.

Tell him to contact local drug and gambling services. I know drug services can help provide him with a space in rehab and somewhere to live if he successfully completes their programme but this isn't something you can single handedly help with, and you're likely to be hurt in the process

Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 05:15

Hippodogamus · 02/11/2023 03:57

OP Why is your post so BIG and BOLD? Is this an AI thread???

No it's not - are you a bot? No one else has responded with CAPS

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Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 05:37

I've read through all the messages here. Some very useful advice and suggestions so thank you for that. I will gather the information about addiction services locally and about homeless shelters so we have that to hand when we see him. The overwhelming message seems to be to tread carefully, protect ourselves and not to get too attached to the outcome.

I agree with the posters who think we can be kind to him without being fools. I think we can and should help, not everyone can or should but we can. We can actually do some simple things that won't take much time and won't cost money but may help him. There is no DH here, we are two women. He has already spent a lot of time here with us on a day to day basis, at times he had keys to the property. We never had a problem. There are probably lots of occasions when we've unknowingly had someone at the house that, had we delved deeper at the time into their past, we might have been more reluctant about and I'm sure we will in the future because people make mistakes, people do get into trouble

We are still going to see him face to face today because I think that will be better than telling him over the phone or by text. He is down, yes he's brought much of it on himself but not all and if the worst came to the worst I couldn't forgive myself that we didn't do what we could.

Once we've spoken to him I will let you know how it went.

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RedCoffeeCup · 02/11/2023 05:49

It's quite unusual to offer to let someone who isn't a partner / family member / very old friend stay for free in your annexe. The fact that you've made this offer AND a couple other people have as well really stands out to me. He must be a very charming man, sadly that doesn't mean he is trustworthy. Be careful OP. I'm a bit worried for you.

Rafting2022 · 02/11/2023 05:53

I’m also wondering why your first post is so big and bold. Not even sure how you do that.

RedCoffeeCup · 02/11/2023 06:09

I think it can happen if you write the post in word and then copy and paste it into MN. Did you do that OP?

Lovemychair · 02/11/2023 06:17

Be very careful, I think his problems are too big for you to handle and you could easily find yourself in too deep , especially as you seem quite emotionally attached to him.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 02/11/2023 06:21

Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 05:15

No it's not - are you a bot? No one else has responded with CAPS

It is @Amaryllis123 , in massive font, bold caps

Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 06:40

RedCoffeeCup · 02/11/2023 06:09

I think it can happen if you write the post in word and then copy and paste it into MN. Did you do that OP?

Yes I did - I wanted my post to be clear so I drafted it on my laptop first. I am on my iPhone now and it looks fine here so I wasn't aware it appeared differently to other users. I don't know if I can do anything to change it or whether it matters now. Some people have offered sone useful advice anyway and thx to them. I'm gathering info about local homeless services and addiction services now. That's an interesting task.

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Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 06:43

RedCoffeeCup · 02/11/2023 05:49

It's quite unusual to offer to let someone who isn't a partner / family member / very old friend stay for free in your annexe. The fact that you've made this offer AND a couple other people have as well really stands out to me. He must be a very charming man, sadly that doesn't mean he is trustworthy. Be careful OP. I'm a bit worried for you.

I understand what you're saying. We were caught on the hop when he first told us stuff this week, we hadn't seen him for a few months, he's lost a lot of weight. I just asked him jovially how have you been and it all started to come out. Our immediate reaction was to offer help but I realise we need to think things through. It was a knee jerk reaction.

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Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 06:45

He IS a charming guy, that's true, very likeable. He wouldn't have been staying for free - the idea was that he would carry out the various work we'd discussed with him in return for staying.

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1984Winston · 02/11/2023 06:50

My brother is charming, he is also an addict and homeless and would steal from you without a seconds thought, be very cautious!

Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 06:51

@ keepingthingsinteresting

I meant "no it's not an AI thread"

I wasn't aware my op was appearing in bold caps

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Amaryllis123 · 02/11/2023 06:51

1984Winston · 02/11/2023 06:50

My brother is charming, he is also an addict and homeless and would steal from you without a seconds thought, be very cautious!

Ok

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Lovemychair · 02/11/2023 07:00

If being homeless hasn't kicked him into seeking help then he isn't ready to get better. Your offer is very kind but you will just be enabling him.