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I'm a snooping landlord AIBU

145 replies

justasking111 · 01/11/2023 13:24

We had some tenants. They never missed the rent but moved elderly dad and dog in without asking. It was covid so no problems.

Anyway they left, dad went into a home. The dog they cared for died.

They did a flit no rent owing but no forwarding address. We decided to sell but the post kept coming. I'd collect but there was a strange name so opened. It was bank statements to the ex tenant marked vets Bill sometimes twice a month around £900 a month.

We know for a fact that the dog is dead. So the elderly man in the nursing home is he being conned?

Should I do something about this or just let it go because the daughter would receive the money when he dies anyway.

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Umtheboss · 02/11/2023 14:38

It actually is and you can face a prison sentence for m 6m to 2 years

FiestyGemini · 02/11/2023 14:57

Why would you not just write "return to sender" on the envelope. If its not illefal, IT SHOULD be to read other people's mail. There are plenty of credit agencies etc that will search for the tenant(s) if they have RIP they will find out. I can't help wondering if it was a band statement would you be do quick to open it?

FSTraining · 02/11/2023 15:04

Needmoresleep · 01/11/2023 16:37

I had a tenant who was a fraudster who disappeared overnight once he realised the police were on to him. The police were very keen to find him - the crime was in the millions. They asked for me, as I cleared the flat, to look out for any signs of where he might have gone, and even suggested that if I opened his mail accidently it might be useful.

To be honest if a tenant does not provide a forwarding address, and I always ask for one, I will open mail, especially if it looks as if someone is chasing a debt. I then phone the debt collection agency, the utility company or whatever and explain when they left and that there is no point contacting the address again. I return all subsequent letters with a "not-known". Lesser of two evils. I don't want my next tenant to receive lots of unwanted post, or worse still a visit from bailiffs, nor do I want the property address associated with a poor payment record.

So the police encouraged you to break the law? I can't say I am surprised but you are absolutely not allowed to do this and could get yourself into a lot of trouble. It's not your decision which laws apply and which don't.

Quirkyme · 02/11/2023 15:04

This landlord is a joker.

Doubleespresso23 · 02/11/2023 15:42

ineedafairygodmother · 01/11/2023 13:25

It's illegal to open other peoples post.... you should have marked it as 'not known at the address' and put it back in the post box

No it isn’t. You can open it legally for certain reasons. The OP hasn’t don’t anything illegal fgs 🤨

Jennick · 02/11/2023 16:26

Could it be another pet ? I would leave them to it

andweallsingalong · 02/11/2023 16:46

Take it to the police, then be done with it?

jamjar3 · 02/11/2023 17:32

Depends where in world you are

Quirkyme · 02/11/2023 17:32

jamjar3 · 02/11/2023 17:32

Depends where in world you are

This made me chuckle

NicolaPower64 · 02/11/2023 20:55

Yes it is. In the UK anyway.

PS5GoesBeep · 02/11/2023 22:15

You really don't have enough information here to confirm either way as to whether there is or is not any wrongdoing happening.

As others have mentioned, you know which LA the elderly father is in care with so forward your concerns to their social work department and stop bloody opening and poring over mail that's not addressed to you

MiddleagedBeachbum · 02/11/2023 22:23

Yes I’d report as I’d think to myself that anyone who left your house in that way and condition is not an honourable trustworthy person!

Boomboom22 · 03/11/2023 00:04

All these people who would never open letters especially from banks to odd names at their house are leaving themselves a bit open to fraud.

Josell12345 · 03/11/2023 09:35

Ita not illegal

Yalta · 03/11/2023 12:42

*Boomboom22 · Today 00:04

All these people who would never open letters especially from banks to odd names at their house are leaving themselves a bit open to fraud*

How? If it isn’t in my name and I know nothing about it and have sent the letter back “return to sender” How would I be defrauded.

Dontbehorridhenry · 03/11/2023 12:54

there was a strange name so opened. It was bank statements to the ex tenant marked vets Bill sometimes twice a month around £900 a month.

There was a strange name but it was also the tenant? Be honest they owe you money and you opened it.

You can report it, or it could be a multitude of things. A relative's pet ran up a bill of thousands before death over a few months, so she could have lent him the money or put it on credit with the vets or cards and he's paying her back. They could be in agreement to avoid inheritance tax, who knows. Not your circus... are you concerned for the guy or do you want revenge maybe?

justasking111 · 03/11/2023 13:10

The letter was a strange name not the tenants.
The old man is still alive .
I don't believe vets take wildly differing amounts over a month if a client is paying off a bill.
The council chasing the old man for arrears on his accommodation when our ex tenant is withdrawing sums larger than the nursing home arrears is concerning.

As others have said the family could be withdrawing his money as fast as it comes in with or without his knowledge.

The only loser is the council. Which is not here but 60 miles away.

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Needmoresleep · 03/11/2023 15:54

Yalta · 03/11/2023 12:42

*Boomboom22 · Today 00:04

All these people who would never open letters especially from banks to odd names at their house are leaving themselves a bit open to fraud*

How? If it isn’t in my name and I know nothing about it and have sent the letter back “return to sender” How would I be defrauded.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12661555/Woman-warns-new-scam-involving-delivery-mystery-DPD-packages.html

This type of thing. It happens to us every couple of years. Odd mobile phone bills in a different name. The phone was intercepted but the bills keep coming. No good just sending them back. You need to speak to the fraud department and insist that it is nothing to do with you or your address.

We had a couple where the goods showed up. A top of the range Apple laptop, which was surprisingly hard to return to PC world. And then an oddity of a bank statement of an account which was about five months old, where I suspect they wanted to establish a six month history and an address, before some sort of fraud. We have also had NHS letters confirming the registration of someone completely unknown.

You really don’t want your address used for something dodgy. If a letter is odd, open it. The sooner you stop whatever it is, the less hassle you might have in the future.

Woman warns of new scam involving the delivery of mystery DPD packages

A woman has taken to TikTok to warn people of a new 'clever' scam that her best friend was a victim of. The video by @shonelise has been seen by over 213,000 people in less than a week

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12661555/Woman-warns-new-scam-involving-delivery-mystery-DPD-packages.html

Yalta · 03/11/2023 18:21

Needmoresleep

Still none the wiser.
The TikTok video said the name on the package was her dads so not a strange name or an ex tenant or owners name

If you open other peoples mail (used to work for a debt collection agency years ago) and then say it is nothing to do with you then it sounds like it is your debt, you opened the letter addressed to you and now are trying to deflect.

If you had just sent back everything marked return to sender not known at this address ever, then how can you be defrauded

Applescruffle · 04/11/2023 21:21

Keep your nose out OP.

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