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It’s another “don’t have any friends” one

54 replies

ForTheLoveOfFriends · 30/10/2023 09:17

I know that threads like this come up on here all the time but I just need some perspective, because my dp thinks I’m being unreasonable.
I have always struggled to make friends. I’ve always got on with people, have always been able to talk to them, but it never goes beyond that. I’m not talking about having a large group of friends who go out regularly or anything like that, just people I can catch up with occasionally, maybe for a coffee, maybe for a chat. But it doesn’t matter how many people I talk to, it just never happens.

So over the years I’ve got on with people in various settings, work/hobbies/through mutual acquaintances (usually my dp). But as soon as I ever suggest that we say, catch up for a coffee if we haven’t seen each other for a while they’ll either agree that we should, say that they’ll be in touch and I never hear from them again, or if I do follow up they’re still really busy so so will let me know, or will arrange something and then cancel at the last minute.

Or if we do get together with people, it’s a one off and I never see them again.
My eXH acknowledged that I didn’t have friends. Used to tell me that he couldn’t understand why people didn’t like me, and he pretty much conducted his social life without me, which was easy because he commuted so his friends were closer to work.

My DP has friends, people who he even says take an interest in me, but as soon as i physically enter into the equation everything changes.

It’s got to the point where I just don’t bother any more, because I know what the outcome will be.

So at the weekend my DP was invited over to the house of someone he knows through an event they attended together a couple of years ago. She invited us both over, but she doesn’t know me, so I wasn’t sure if I should go because I didn’t want to intrude. DP talked me into going, assured me that I would enjoy myself, said that I was overthinking things. So I went.

We had a good time. Got on with them, I played with the kids and they seemingly had a good time, and she even said that it was nice to have people over for once who seemingly don’t find it difficult to be around her kids.

Before we went she and dp had been having a text conversation, what time to get there, if we could bring anything etc etc. Then after we left he text to say thank you for the evening and that we’d had a lovely time and hopefully we’ll do it again. And nothing. No response, no acknowledgement, nothing.

And because of all my previous experiences I just know that it has to be me. But I don’t know what I’ve done. I don’t know why people seem to feel like this about me.
Thing is, I can accept not having friends. I’ve spent so long not having frends that I no longer have any expectations. But this has the potential to cause problems between me and my DP. he currently doesn’t live with me. he actually lives some distance from me, so he does go out with people fairly regularly. But we’re talking about moving in together. And I’m afraid of what that will do for his friendships. Because he says he doesn’t want to go out on his own, he wants us to have mutual friends as a couple. But I know that that’s just not going to happen.

he says that I’m over thinking. That people have busy lives, and in some instances that’s true. But when you have this many experiences you just have to accept that it’s you and not all the other people. And I don’t want to sabotage his friendships or make him feel that he can’t go out because of me.

Anyone else been here?

OP posts:
Mary46 · 30/10/2023 17:35

It knocks your confidence at times.. I did meet a school mam. Suggested a few dates. Maybe life takes over so people dont commit. Ah not easy op.

Hipnotised · 30/10/2023 17:41

How / where did you meet your ex and current partners?

I mean, you managed to turn those into serious relationships so you must have some social skills that others like!

Ragwort · 30/10/2023 17:49

I think you are over thinking this particular text exchange... you thanked them for a nice evening .. should they then thank you for thanking them? Confused. I am old fashioned so probably send a formal thank you card after a dinner with friends ... but I don't then expect a thank you back. The etiquette would be to then return the invitation to dinner in a few weeks.
And I always say this in these sorts of threads (been here over 20 years!) ... focus on your interests and hobbies rather than 'making friends'. That way you will meet like minded people and have something in common, some may become friends - others will remain acquaintances- but at least you will be doing things you enjoy.

And also, without wanting to sound unkind, don't come across as 'desperate' to make friends. I meet a lot of people who are desperately looking for friends ... no idea why they want to be friends with me ... but I don't want to meet up for aimless coffee and chit chat ... I need a purpose or focus for a friendship. I met someone new recently and I really liked her approach... she had researched a couple of local events, made a suggestion and we met up and went to theatre and had a good evening. Next time I will suggest the event.

jsutbraise4 · 30/10/2023 17:51

You have a partner and an ExH - clearly, you can get close to people. How did these romantic relationships develop? Maybe the clue is there when it comes to friends.

UsingChangeofName · 30/10/2023 18:02

SisterWedge · 30/10/2023 11:10

I agree with your partner that you are overthinking it all. You had a social evening that you enjoyed, but still your negative thinking can't let you simply enjoy that fact.

You have a partner who is offering a route into mutual friendships but again your self doubt is putting up barriers to enjoying that.

The first step is recognising that internal voice that's constantly telling you you're a failure and telling her to shut the fuck up. You are fine and just as worthy anyone else.

I agree with this.

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Before we went she and dp had been having a text conversation, what time to get there, if we could bring anything etc etc. Then after we left he text to say thank you for the evening and that we’d had a lovely time and hopefully we’ll do it again. And nothing. No response, no acknowledgement, nothing.

That is the end of that conversation though. Friend hosted, your dp thanked them. I wouldn't expect a "thanks for the thanks" - that would just be odd.

You said you all had a good time - so how do you get from that, to assuming you've broken the friendship ? Confused

Soozikinzii · 30/10/2023 18:02

You had a lovely evening with DPs friends. I personally prefer to have my own friends separate to DH . Whether that's just me I don't know ? Most of my friends I have met through work one through our sons growing up together . We actually only have 1 lot of couple friends. It's hard to find a couple that you both get on with . I agree that you're over thinking the problem . I'm sure you'll find your own tribe .

JaneyGee · 30/10/2023 18:14

Meeting people, getting on with them, forming acquaintances, etc, is relatively easy. Turning that into a friendship, where you meet for coffee, go to the cinema together, and so on, is much harder. The key is to find a shared passion. It is easy to make friends between 10 and 25. Beyond your mid to late 20s, when people have begun settling down, it gets tougher.

Tellmeifimwrong · 30/10/2023 18:50

Really good post by @JFT I think a lot of us feel like this if we've moved and tried to start again or left our families behind.

MarchionessOfMayhem · 30/10/2023 18:58

This sounds very much like me. I've had very similar issues. It all came to a head last year with a friendship group (one person in particular but most people took her side - long story!) and I felt it was now affecting my child. I decided to seek a diagnosis for Autism, something I suspected for at least 15 years and I was diagnosed with high functioning ASC. Suddenly everything made sense, everything slotted in to place and I understood myself and my behaviours much better. The Psychologist felt that i came across as a perfectionist, organised, together etc and that often puts people ill at ease. Not sure if that is really the case but I could understand if it were. I've embraced my ASC and have come to the conclusion that I am who I am and if people don't want to be friends with me, it's their loss because I'm pretty cool, an extremely loyal friend and have a great deal of empathy (even if I can't always show it). I'm concentrating on the people who really want to be my friend. Smile

raffegiraffe · 31/10/2023 15:32

I think approaching it a little differently might be something to try
I've had more success with "I was thinking of going to such and such on Sunday, you should come!" than "let's do something", both in how I organise, and respond to others

Mary46 · 31/10/2023 15:46

Good advice raffe. I hate buying extra tickets if people cancel as u never see the money..... so now I tend to keep it casual say a coffee or walk. Im meet a school mam thursd so theres still odd genuine person out there.

ForTheLoveOfFriends · 11/11/2023 08:24

So an update of sorts.

I’d actually put this out of my head after posting this thread, but the woman in the OP texted. My dp a couple of days ago as she’s doing some work in the same area he is and wanted some travel advice. He gave her the advice, he then asked after her dh and her kids, her dd had some kind of competition coming up when we saw them so he asked how that had gone. And all she texted back was “thanks.”

So I genuinely don’t know what the issue is here, and as it’s been a few weeks I’m not overthinking it any more, but I think it’s fair to say that we won’t be seeing them again.

OP posts:
gofullpelt · 11/11/2023 08:35

Do you have time to do any volunteering? I started volunteering a few years and I've never had so many friends.

We don't live in each other's pockets but I now have loads of people I can catch up with for a walk or coffee (the volunteering is dog related so that helps!)

SeethroughDress · 11/11/2023 08:51

ForTheLoveOfFriends · 11/11/2023 08:24

So an update of sorts.

I’d actually put this out of my head after posting this thread, but the woman in the OP texted. My dp a couple of days ago as she’s doing some work in the same area he is and wanted some travel advice. He gave her the advice, he then asked after her dh and her kids, her dd had some kind of competition coming up when we saw them so he asked how that had gone. And all she texted back was “thanks.”

So I genuinely don’t know what the issue is here, and as it’s been a few weeks I’m not overthinking it any more, but I think it’s fair to say that we won’t be seeing them again.

Hang on, Why won’t you be seeing them again? Because you’re still reading no or short text messages as an indication of rejection, or because your DP is now cross at her brief reply?

Honestly, it sounds to me as if you see rejection everywhere. Some people are copious texters, some aren’t, and some people have a tin ear for tone and don’t think ‘Oh, when X sent me a long, chatty message asking about the children after he’d helped me with travel advice, it looks pretty rude if I just say ‘Thanks’.

Stop reading texts or their absence as some kind of indicators of someone’s covert negativity towards you.

You’re doing the thing that a lot of lonely Mners fall into when posting about having no friends — your focus is entirely on what they thought of you, whether they liked you etc. The key thing is did you like them? Did you enjoy their company and would you like to see them again? If so, stop looking for signs of rejection and invite them over.

GRex · 11/11/2023 09:06

ForTheLoveOfFriends · 11/11/2023 08:24

So an update of sorts.

I’d actually put this out of my head after posting this thread, but the woman in the OP texted. My dp a couple of days ago as she’s doing some work in the same area he is and wanted some travel advice. He gave her the advice, he then asked after her dh and her kids, her dd had some kind of competition coming up when we saw them so he asked how that had gone. And all she texted back was “thanks.”

So I genuinely don’t know what the issue is here, and as it’s been a few weeks I’m not overthinking it any more, but I think it’s fair to say that we won’t be seeing them again.

Oh OP. They invited you over. The onus is on YOU to invite them somewhere now. They probably don't understand why you haven't. I can't for the life of me imagine why you think it is still up to them to keep inviting you out every time, it's very odd. If you liked them then send an invite.

TheSilverThorn · 11/11/2023 09:07

You need a shared passion to meet people.

What do you like or think you may like? I have tried so many things in my life have had some passion for things and not others. The things that stuck are hiking, dancing various types, salsa, belly dancing, ballroom, singing, cycling, board games. The ones that fell by the wayside are painting, I did a couple, of years but I’m just not very good at it and pottery I actually took a qualification in it but don’t have the space to set up stuff at home so have left it.

People give advice on how to make friendships on here often. But the uncomfortable piece of advice is who do people avoid?

People pleasers, over sharers I avoid these people as they have a clear lack of boundaries. People that show any indication of bragging about money or wanting to know any details about my financial status. I can say being nice is not the top priority on my list for friends. My top priority is let’s be able to laugh together. I have pulled away from a friend as she is quite clearly attempting to work out how much money I have which is none of her business.

Being a social chameleon, comfortable in your own skin and not caring what people think of you is all very helpful.

wesurecouldstandgladioli · 11/11/2023 09:10

Are you a different race to these people or look different? I’m often surprised how even well educated, professional people are scared of anyone different.

SkaneTos · 11/11/2023 09:17

"I have always struggled to make friends. I’ve always got on with people, have always been able to talk to them, but it never goes beyond that."

You have been married.
And you have a life partner now.
So clearly it has "gone beyond that" at some points!

How did you meet your husband? He thought you were lovely and awesome enough to marry you!

How did you meet your partner?

Keepingongoing · 11/11/2023 09:52

Really sympathise and very topical for me as due to ill health and a devastating bereavement, making friends has become more difficult .

However two things stood out. First the original invitation from your husband’s work colleague, I think you said that you felt you shouldn’t intrude. But you wouldn’t be intruding - you’d been invited! It’s perfectly normal and natural to include someone’s partner in an invitation even if you’ve never met them. .

Then, they said it was nice to spend time with people who got on with their children, so there’s an opening. If you and DP liked them, invite them to something with their children. Quite possibly, they felt that the ball was in your court to suggest another meeting if you were interested in seeing them again.

Of course it’s impossible to know the whole story from brief summaries, but it sounded like your erosion of confidence around friendship might be making you read lack of interest into every little interaction. Perhaps if you unravel it you might come up with alternative interpretations.

Midnight2290 · 11/11/2023 10:39

I’ll be your friend 🙋🏽‍♀️

wited · 11/11/2023 13:03

She just sounds bloody rude imo

UsingChangeofName · 11/11/2023 15:47

ForTheLoveOfFriends · 11/11/2023 08:24

So an update of sorts.

I’d actually put this out of my head after posting this thread, but the woman in the OP texted. My dp a couple of days ago as she’s doing some work in the same area he is and wanted some travel advice. He gave her the advice, he then asked after her dh and her kids, her dd had some kind of competition coming up when we saw them so he asked how that had gone. And all she texted back was “thanks.”

So I genuinely don’t know what the issue is here, and as it’s been a few weeks I’m not overthinking it any more, but I think it’s fair to say that we won’t be seeing them again.

So I genuinely don’t know what the issue is here, and as it’s been a few weeks I’m not overthinking it any more, but I think it’s fair to say that we won’t be seeing them again.

Why ? Confused
If anything, that text ought to have been a prompt for You (as in, you and your dh together) to remember to invite them over to you.
You've been to theirs, so the normal next step would be for you (as a couple) to invite them to something. Not for you to over-analyse a text, and decide from that you aren't going to see them again.
It's no wonder you have no friends if that's the way your mind works.

GRex · 15/11/2023 07:25

Did you invite them to anything yet OP, or are you still expecting them to be the only ones to send invites?

Mary46 · 15/11/2023 12:28

Op meet her for a coffee or do the kids know each other. I agree its hard but I realise I have put in effort too

PeppermintPatty10 · 15/11/2023 13:03

OP you sound great! Kind, articulate, considerate. I agree with @5128gap that you need to ask at least one other person who knows you in real life. If you can take the honesty (and I think you can) you will get a lot more relevant advice because it will be based on real interactions.
As awkward as you might feel, can you ask the question you asked us, of someone who you know or used to know?

They might simply say something like, 'Well I really wanted to hang out with you and I kept inviting you out, but after you said no twice I stopped bothering!'

Or something similar that is really minor and easy to fix, and then it might give you the confidence to initiate actual meet-ups.

I think it would be worth trying to get some specific feedback from people who you know.

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