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AIBU to feel that my parents are also to blame for my mental health? (Content warning added by MNHQ - mentions child sexual assault)

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 00:18

I am 30 years old, and female. I was recently diagnosed by a Psychiatrist with Complex PTSD. I also have a diagnosis of ASD, and am awaiting assessment for ADHD, and OCD.

The reason for the PTSD is that I had a traumatic childhood. Bullying at school, sexual assault by a couple of classmates when I was very young, who would take me to a secret area, and play with my bare genitals. I also believe that I had it somewhat rough at home too, my father was physically and emotionally abusive, (he possibly has ASD too.) He would frequently hit me, scream at me, and call me names. I can recall being called a freak, bitch, little c*t and b*tard to name a few.

Just before the pandemic, I had returned from a work placement abroad which didn’t last long due to me likely just being very mentally ill and also tired from having little sleep during it. I think I did this placement just to get away from the situation with my parents. During the pandemic and after I returned home, my father screamed at me during an argument to go and die in the country that I did the placement.

I have also been told that I’m not his daughter in the past during arguments, when I have shouted at him about the way he treats his own daughter is wrong. (Maybe I shouldn’t have shouted, but I am just so so angry about it all.) I would be hit across the head by him frequently as a child. The last time he hit me was during an argument when I was 18 and 22, smacking my face at least 3 times. I wanted to go to the police both times, but I was scared.

When I was at secondary school, my father hit me and as he was hitting me on the behind, his hand swiped across my foot, and my toe was black. Teachers at school noticed the injury, and I had to say I injured it myself, because I didn’t want to get my parents into trouble, and I also worried that my siblings would be affected as we might all have got put into care. I didn’t want to disrupt their life. They sometimes got hit though too, and I would be present when this happened. I still have trauma nightmares about seeing my siblings hit by my father and crying in fear/pain, or nightmares about rows with my parents.

Even as an adult, I am still frequently screamed and shouted at by my father over complete trivialities, such as perching on the edge of chairs, and not sitting on the actual cushion. I realise I shouldn’t but I genuinely forgot I was told not to due to my highly likely ADHD. (I know it sounds as though I’m blaming ADHD here.) But it is a complete over reaction on his part, and even my mum has occasionally stuck up for me here telling him to stop going on about it.

Mostly though, my mum doesn’t stick up for me, and if I shout at my father she will become aggressive towards me for ‘causing trouble.’ My mum also accuses me of having bipolar disorder whenever I attempt to stand up for myself, and tells me to go and see the doctor or she will ring my surgery herself.

She never stopped him from hurting me during childhood, and mostly didn’t stick up for me when he called me names. She did tell him off about calling me a freak though that one time. He also ripped up one of my magazines when I was about 10, and smacked me across the face, all because I wrote one of my siblings a silly and maybe slightly inappropriate note after we argued which contained perhaps some mild swear words on it. I know it was wrong, I was annoyed at my sibling. He then yelled at me to eat the paper, my mum saw him and told him not to make me eat paper.

Sometimes he would be supportive and attend meetings at school with me about my SEN, he also does still help me now at times and even drove hundreds of miles to the other end of the country to collect me when I was at university, so part of me feels guilty for posting this.

There was an occasion when he blamed me for me being bullied when I was about 15. The head had sent a letter to my parents telling them that I had been subjected to aggressive behaviour by a new girl who joined our school, and that I was being supported by one of the teachers regarding this. When my parents received the letter, this somehow triggered an argument with my father and he slapped me on my arm calling me a little s*d, and shouted aggressively ‘Go and tell that to .........’ (The teacher who was supporting me.) He was referring to something nasty he had said to me. It’s all just really hurtful.

There is so much more that he did but it would take me forever to write.

As an adult, I’m honestly a complete mess and very damaged mentally. I am hateful, nasty and aggressive with others, I’ve even lied about people simply because I haven’t liked them. I believe everyone is out to get me, or is looking down at me. I’ve had 2 emotionally abusive relationships with men and never had one genuine friend that hasn’t mistreated me somehow. I told my father that he is the reason for my PTSD during a row, and he just laughed.

I also cannot hold down any kind of a job, I have tried hard to work but just end up loosing every job I try, as due to my ASD and ADHD I make sackable mistakes and experience meltdowns because I can’t cope. I now live in my own place but I’m constantly anxious and on edge.

My CV is non existent. I rely on benefits to live. I really don’t think I’ll ever be able to work again the way I am. I just feel worthless, unwanted, and unlovable. I have zero self esteem. It’s no good me confronting them about any of this as they deny it, and I end up being gaslit.

I know I need to go and have extensive therapy. I also know that the obvious solution would be to cut my parents off. But I’m worried how that might affect my relationship with my 2 siblings, and I’ve got literally no other family besides them and my parents, and no decent friends so I’d truly be alone with my struggles. It feels frightening. I’ve phoned Samaritans a few times, but obviously there is not much they can do other than talk it out.

Sorry if my post is a bit jumbled and long. I am feeling quite ill after yet another rather pointless altercation. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

OP posts:
Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 00:19

Apologies, I somehow hit italics when posting.

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OswaldSpengler14 · 30/10/2023 00:24

I’m not a psychologist but the supposition that your father’s (appalling) treatment of you in childhood has caused your poor mental health in adulthood is entirely reasonable to me.

Somanycats · 30/10/2023 00:32

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GrumpyOldCrone · 30/10/2023 00:34

It sounds like your father continues to be abusive to you. I cannot imagine how you might recover while you remain in regular contact with him. You might find that infrequent contact is possible, rather than cutting him off entirely. That works for some people.

I agree that therapy is a good idea, if possible. I also think you will find it easier to develop friendships if you can find a way to manage the feelings that lead to behaviours that you describe as ‘hateful, nasty and aggressive’. Therapy can help with that. I hope you find some peace.

Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 00:51

So basically, @Somanycats are you in any way suggesting that I deserved to be abused and called names my whole childhood? I didn’t say that my parents are to blame for my ASD and ADHD, that was out of their control. But they could control how they chose to treat me.

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JadeandGreen · 30/10/2023 00:52

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I have no words for this! The love and care (or lack of) your parents provide is one of the biggest factors in shaping a person's life! The fact that the OP parents may have had a difficult upbringing, or that other people have these conditions does not negate from the fact that the OP is suffering.

It's very easy to say you are in control of what happens to you from here on, but not so easy to achieve when you are trying to live with the impact of such abuse!

It may seem "useless" to blame the OP's parents for the damage they have done, but emotional responses to abuse are not as easy to work through as rational responses.

Oblomov23 · 30/10/2023 01:02

Your victim mentality is very very bad. You blaming your parents absconds you from taking responsibility for your actions. Yes you were abused. But for how much longer are you going to post this blame game. After say aged 25, you've made your choices. Even with ASD and PTSD some of your recent decisions can't be blamed on others. Your lying about people because you don't like them? TgTs morally wrong and ASD etc doesn't excuse that!
I suggest you speak to Gp about adhd medication adjustments, AD's. Book some counselling. Read all the self help books mn always recommends. And make a decision to do better - that you won't do the lying and horrible aggressive bits again.

Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 01:05

@GrumpyOldCrone Thanks for your reply. I do need to seek out a really good therapist that can hopefully help me to process all this. For some reason in the past, talking with counsellors about stuff didn’t really help me I feel, and I left feeling more frustrated than when I went in.

With my Psychiatric assessment, I wasn’t fully truthful with the doctor about my past as I fear my parents might get into trouble if this stuff comes out.

With regards to treatment, Rapid Eye Desensitisation Therapy is suggested in my psychiatric report. No idea how effective this will be until I try it I guess.

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 01:11

@Oblomov23 Yes I know me lying about others was wrong. Not proud of it either. I guess by posting here I may just be seeking validation that it definitely was abuse that I experienced, and that it was not because I am a bad person who deserved it because I am bad. I’m not in any way suggesting I’m perfect, I have my faults but at least I’m trying to seek help. I know I did wrong, and me telling lies could even be considered as me being abusive to people too. But at least I can admit my own faults openly, because there are so many others who will never take accountability for their actions, and in the context of abuse, this also means the cycle never gets broken.

Also, I think the root cause of my victim mentally is my mum constantly making me feel like I’ll never achieve anything, she says I can’t because of my ASD and that ASD can’t be cured.

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GrumpyOldCrone · 30/10/2023 01:13

Glad to hear you have a treatment plan. If you’re in the UK you can be completely honest about your past: everything you say will be confidential (there are a couple of exceptions, e.g. if you’re planning to harm someone). You can ask your therapist about confidentiality if you’re anxious about it: he or she can explain. Talking to therapists or counsellors is much more helpful if you’re able to be honest.

Wolfen · 30/10/2023 01:20

I agree with you that your childhood is to blame for your mental well-being. That includes your parents and your dads violence.

It's also true that they're a product of their own childhood.

Unfortunately, you cannot turn the clock back and I'm sorry you grew up abused physically and sexually. No child should have to endure these things.

You need less contact with your abusive father and therapy to help you.

lifesrichpageant · 30/10/2023 03:07

Just to say that I am sorry this happened to you. Please ignore those who are saying that you YABU - you are at the start of a very long journey of healing. At 30, you have so much life left and I have a lot of hope for you! Please give yourself the gift of a good therapist, EMDR can work for trauma, start reading and join a community of people on a similar track. Growth and change and healing is hard but possible. Good luck!

WandaWonder · 30/10/2023 04:34

Yes they can be blamed to a certain extent, but there is only so much you you can blame others for in the way you are and act

What happened before is not a get out of personal responsibility card and to endlessly play the victim

GoodToBeHome · 30/10/2023 06:08

Yes and no OP.
Your father had treated you dreadfully and so has your mother by enabling it. I can't imagine how awful it must have been for you growing up (and my own childhood was no bed of roses). I genuinely feel immensely sorry for younger you.
Having said all of that, you are now in your 30's and with the greatest of respect seemingly stuck reliving the past. Have you been to the GP for meds to help with the adhd etc? Do you plan to live on benefits for the next 50+ years of your life? This is in your control now, you need to start making a life for yourself.

MurielThrockmorton · 30/10/2023 06:18

Have you read the body keeps the score by Bessel van der Kolk? it explains how trauma imprints in our body, in parts of our brain that are not easily (or at all) controllable by conscious thought - our brains don't work like that. So much of the architecture of our brain develops whilst we are young and if we do not have good emotional regulation around us, we cannot develop the neural connections ourselves. This affects you for the rest of your life, it is not easy to change the neuronal structures of the brain, it's not just a matter of thinking differently or whatever, that's a different bit of the brain from the one that's reacting to trauma, but it is possible with the right support, although it will probably always affect you to some degree. What happened to you sounds hideous and its effects are not your fault. I'm really sorry you had to go through that, it probably is true that crap things happened to your parents as well, although I do think there's a difference between being outright abusive and struggling with emotions. Not having had your mum's that will also have had a big effect. Good luck getting support Flowers

millsiem · 30/10/2023 06:37

I'm appalled by those saying you're being unreasonable. I think you've mentioned a psychiatrist has diagnosed you with PTSD and you're awaiting diagnosis of other conditions. I'm presuming this means you are getting help. Also this follows that you're beginning what I'm sure will be a complex road to improve how you feel about your life. The very fact that you're able to admit some of the ways you've behaved means you've got a significant amount of self awareness and hopefully this will now help you to change the aspects of your life you don't like.

Although you worry about your relationship with your siblings, I'm not sure if being in contact with your parents is helpful to you. The abuse you have suffered is horrendous and would damage anybody. Your mother telling you that you won't achieve anything is awful - I'm hoping that even a quick Google will allow you to find heaps of evidence that what she is saying is utter nonsense as there are many many people with ASD etc who have achieve great things and who lead successful, fulfilled lives.

As I am not a psychiatrist, please follow the advise of the medical professionals you are seeing.

Good luck with everything going forward.

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Totalwasteofpaper · 30/10/2023 06:47

I think yanbu to be totally traumatised and what happened was awful and your parents certainly contributed to your mental health issues when you were a child.

However at some point between 20-30 you became an adult and now you are responsible for your mental health. You have choices and options. One of the options is even to work to create more options.... so yabu to keep doing what you've always done as you'll keep getting what you've always got.

if your relationship with your siblings is good talk to them about your dad and see what they say they might support going NC.

Gardeningtime · 30/10/2023 07:01

I also think there is a mid ground here op. Yes whay happened to you is horrific, and yes it was abuse, no you didn’t deserve it, but at some point as an adult we need to take personal responsibility for our own behaviour. The lying about people, being aggressive, being hateful and nasty to them etc is something you need help for, if you can’t stop it yourself due to mental conditions.

what people are saying is potentially your parents can say the same thing about their parents, or their mental health. That their parents are to blame and so on.

i really hope you get the help you need to try to move forward with your life and move to a more healthy place, as blaming your parents, doesn’t really help you resolve the issues you face as an adult.

StepAwayFromGoogling · 30/10/2023 07:12

OP, you experienced significant abuse as a child. That is clear. The fact that you have started to get help for that is a really good first step.

Kindly, though, ASD and ADHD do not cause you to be spiteful to other people. That is likely to be a result of trauma and does need to be addressed - otherwise you will end up in a cycle of pushing people away and then feeling like you have no friends and are the victim.

Try to keep these as two separate things: 1) Help to recover from your trauma and 2) Help to understand ASD and ADHD and how they impact your life.
I do agree not seeing your parents is also a good suggestion from PPs.

Wishing you the best of luck, OP, I hope you are able to get to a good place.

EveSix · 30/10/2023 07:21

OP, I am so sorry for the childhood experiences which have shaped how you feel now. It sounds so frightening and lonely. I am of the school of thought that the parenting we receive plays a huge part in how we develop our sense of self and our capacity to live happy and fulfilling lives.
You are trying to engage with life from a position of historic emotional and psychological disadvantage, and your parents have contributed to this in different ways. I don't think there are any easy answers for moving on from this position, but key to healing will be self-acceptance, and empathy with and compassion for both your younger self and the adult you as you sit with the hurt and mess of these complex feelings. You may find comfort in imagining adult you as a supportive presence when you remember difficult incidents, imagining stepping in to protect and advocate for you as a vulnerable child. I did this in therapy, and it was comforting and empowering. But, I'm not a therapist myself, so am not able to specifically advise.

I'm really sorry you seem to be getting some pushback on this most basic tenet of child psychology here. Anyone with lived experience of parental bullying or aggression, let alone from a starting point of having to navigate it as a neurodiverse child, would never presume to be so dismissive, and are likely offering their opinion from a place of privilege of having either had an affirming upbringing by emotionally stable and supportive parents, or if not, had the resources to harden themselves to adverse experiences, now rendering them unable to empathise.

Have courage, OP, I'm rooting for you.

MariaVT65 · 30/10/2023 07:22

Hi OP

I went through some abuse as a teenager (though nowhere near as bad as you) and I also recognised feelings of vengeful wishes on others in the following years. I was able to thankfully resolve this in my early 20s with therapy that I instigated. You need to be able to look at yourself and understand where you can take responsibility to improve your own outlook.

I also cut contact with my abusive dad very early on. I would really encourage you to do this. If you don’t, it will lessen the impact of any other help or therapy. The key to getting better is that you really need to help yourself as well as getting help from others.

Pigglingtonbear · 30/10/2023 07:28

Your upbringing is completely to blame for your current difficulties. It sounds awful and I feel very sorry for you. You definitely need therapy and help. Don't despair, you can turn your life around still, you're young. Baby steps, one thing at a time, starting with trying to build some self esteem. Other things should follow on from that. Be gentle with yourself. Your parents have let you down badly, you need to accept this and grieve for yourself and then try to move on. It doesn't sound like any kind of relationship with your father is possible. If you wish to keep in contact with siblings and mum then calmly tell them this and your reasons for no longer wanting to see your dad. If they turn on you, as can happen in dysfunctional families, then you may need to distance yourself from them too . Having a good relationship with yourself is more important than everything else. By working on yourself you will hopefully make new friends and connections in time which will more than compensate for toxic family relationships. Good luck xx

Lastchancechica · 30/10/2023 07:34

You are still being abused by your parents, and can’t even begin to recover until you create space away from your abusers. You will remain stuck.

You don’t need to cut contact aggressively with a big drama. You can go extremely low contact silently. As in seeing them twice a year at most, and reducing contact to text message only with your mother. Protecting yourself from your abuser/father much much more than you are doing so now. If your siblings ask -say your treatment requires you to build some independence away from your parents to improve your ability to function alone. This is partly or wholly true. You need to find a way, with support, to function as an adult without them.

Do your siblings offer love and support? Acknowledge what has happened or live in denial? This is important to know.

Please disregard and ignore the ignorant posts on here about your life. You are deeply traumatised and damaged, it is going to take a lot of time and work to recover. NONE of this was your fault, you were just a child.

I have cPTSD and it is possible to recover and learn to trust again, to take responsibility for your own life, and to finally experience peace and contentment, I would follow the treatment plan offered to you. Take up one hobby thar appeals, and start by making one friend just to enjoy a walk ot a coffee.

I am now happily married, with dc, have a whole ton of friends and a full life, you can have this too, but it starts with accepting your father can not stay in your life in any meaningful way and start now to take care of yourself slowly but surely. One small step at a time. We are behind you op 💪🏻💪🏻

SocksOfMagic · 30/10/2023 07:45

What a bloody awful childhood, no wonder you’ve got so much to work through now. I’d recommend …

medication for ocd and any underlaying anxiety. Sertraline maybe.

medication for the adhd.

therapy - music or art or talking therapies

lots of outdoors physical work with your hands. Or indoors work with your hands. Gardening, walks, painting walls or whatever. This will be very grounding which is what you need with your trauma and diagnosis.

voluntary work in a couple of different settings. Think about where your interests are and use that as a starting point. Choose companies which already operate with many volunteers. Dog cat rescue, charity shop, homeless soup kitchen, food bank, volunteer making teas and coffees at church or local day centre.

Distance yourself from your parents if you can’t cut them off. See them less often and for shorter periods. Meet for a coffee in a public space where shouting will be unlikely.

keep chatting to your siblings.

SocksOfMagic · 30/10/2023 07:48

Yes and just to add, you were a child and not at fault. All children deserve positive regard and kindness, regardless of diagnosis or temperament