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AIBU to feel that my parents are also to blame for my mental health? (Content warning added by MNHQ - mentions child sexual assault)

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 00:18

I am 30 years old, and female. I was recently diagnosed by a Psychiatrist with Complex PTSD. I also have a diagnosis of ASD, and am awaiting assessment for ADHD, and OCD.

The reason for the PTSD is that I had a traumatic childhood. Bullying at school, sexual assault by a couple of classmates when I was very young, who would take me to a secret area, and play with my bare genitals. I also believe that I had it somewhat rough at home too, my father was physically and emotionally abusive, (he possibly has ASD too.) He would frequently hit me, scream at me, and call me names. I can recall being called a freak, bitch, little c*t and b*tard to name a few.

Just before the pandemic, I had returned from a work placement abroad which didn’t last long due to me likely just being very mentally ill and also tired from having little sleep during it. I think I did this placement just to get away from the situation with my parents. During the pandemic and after I returned home, my father screamed at me during an argument to go and die in the country that I did the placement.

I have also been told that I’m not his daughter in the past during arguments, when I have shouted at him about the way he treats his own daughter is wrong. (Maybe I shouldn’t have shouted, but I am just so so angry about it all.) I would be hit across the head by him frequently as a child. The last time he hit me was during an argument when I was 18 and 22, smacking my face at least 3 times. I wanted to go to the police both times, but I was scared.

When I was at secondary school, my father hit me and as he was hitting me on the behind, his hand swiped across my foot, and my toe was black. Teachers at school noticed the injury, and I had to say I injured it myself, because I didn’t want to get my parents into trouble, and I also worried that my siblings would be affected as we might all have got put into care. I didn’t want to disrupt their life. They sometimes got hit though too, and I would be present when this happened. I still have trauma nightmares about seeing my siblings hit by my father and crying in fear/pain, or nightmares about rows with my parents.

Even as an adult, I am still frequently screamed and shouted at by my father over complete trivialities, such as perching on the edge of chairs, and not sitting on the actual cushion. I realise I shouldn’t but I genuinely forgot I was told not to due to my highly likely ADHD. (I know it sounds as though I’m blaming ADHD here.) But it is a complete over reaction on his part, and even my mum has occasionally stuck up for me here telling him to stop going on about it.

Mostly though, my mum doesn’t stick up for me, and if I shout at my father she will become aggressive towards me for ‘causing trouble.’ My mum also accuses me of having bipolar disorder whenever I attempt to stand up for myself, and tells me to go and see the doctor or she will ring my surgery herself.

She never stopped him from hurting me during childhood, and mostly didn’t stick up for me when he called me names. She did tell him off about calling me a freak though that one time. He also ripped up one of my magazines when I was about 10, and smacked me across the face, all because I wrote one of my siblings a silly and maybe slightly inappropriate note after we argued which contained perhaps some mild swear words on it. I know it was wrong, I was annoyed at my sibling. He then yelled at me to eat the paper, my mum saw him and told him not to make me eat paper.

Sometimes he would be supportive and attend meetings at school with me about my SEN, he also does still help me now at times and even drove hundreds of miles to the other end of the country to collect me when I was at university, so part of me feels guilty for posting this.

There was an occasion when he blamed me for me being bullied when I was about 15. The head had sent a letter to my parents telling them that I had been subjected to aggressive behaviour by a new girl who joined our school, and that I was being supported by one of the teachers regarding this. When my parents received the letter, this somehow triggered an argument with my father and he slapped me on my arm calling me a little s*d, and shouted aggressively ‘Go and tell that to .........’ (The teacher who was supporting me.) He was referring to something nasty he had said to me. It’s all just really hurtful.

There is so much more that he did but it would take me forever to write.

As an adult, I’m honestly a complete mess and very damaged mentally. I am hateful, nasty and aggressive with others, I’ve even lied about people simply because I haven’t liked them. I believe everyone is out to get me, or is looking down at me. I’ve had 2 emotionally abusive relationships with men and never had one genuine friend that hasn’t mistreated me somehow. I told my father that he is the reason for my PTSD during a row, and he just laughed.

I also cannot hold down any kind of a job, I have tried hard to work but just end up loosing every job I try, as due to my ASD and ADHD I make sackable mistakes and experience meltdowns because I can’t cope. I now live in my own place but I’m constantly anxious and on edge.

My CV is non existent. I rely on benefits to live. I really don’t think I’ll ever be able to work again the way I am. I just feel worthless, unwanted, and unlovable. I have zero self esteem. It’s no good me confronting them about any of this as they deny it, and I end up being gaslit.

I know I need to go and have extensive therapy. I also know that the obvious solution would be to cut my parents off. But I’m worried how that might affect my relationship with my 2 siblings, and I’ve got literally no other family besides them and my parents, and no decent friends so I’d truly be alone with my struggles. It feels frightening. I’ve phoned Samaritans a few times, but obviously there is not much they can do other than talk it out.

Sorry if my post is a bit jumbled and long. I am feeling quite ill after yet another rather pointless altercation. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Hurukan · 30/10/2023 07:54

I think it is really commendable that you recognise how your own behaviour has been poor and I suspect some of the replies have been on the harsh side from other posters who have been treated badly by someone who then blames it all on mental health or ADHD.

A colleague with a very similar story to you nearly destroyed me with her lies and while I had every sympathy for her because of the history of what she suffered this quickly disappeared when she turned on me. She is always the victim in any situation and will never imho get better because she cannot recognise her own responsibility.

I really hope you can find help and move on from the abuse you suffered not just for your own sake but for those around you too.

Stomacharmeleon · 30/10/2023 07:57

I Don't think you are being unreasonable at all and I had very similar parents but really it's about how you move on.
I got trauma counselling and it's really helped me. Not by validating my experience but understanding when I have child like responses to stress and trauma. I am probably explaining to wrong but I have found it helpful as I tend to self sabotage as a result of childhood (my father was schizophrenic and my mum stayed with him)
I don't blame them Per se. They were very young and psychiatric problems not as well understood.
I Don't see either of them (they are no longer married) not because I am punishing them but because they revisit things a lot In order to punish each other and I have my own children now. It's not a world I want to inhabit.
I do get what people are saying though about moving on and that comes with help. I don't believe you are written off completely work wise or anything else. You have to decide if what happened to you as a child is going to be dragged around with you as an adult (it was a form no from me)

SocksOfMagic · 30/10/2023 08:01

Also your mum is wrong, people with autism can live meaningful lives regardless of disability, some have full time jobs and families, others live in supported living with good community links. Each person is different person to person. ASD is also experienced differently at different stages in life. As people age they often develop strategies and coping methods (with help, advice) and teenage hormones calmed. The national autistic website may have helpful information.

Gardeningtime · 30/10/2023 08:12

EveSix · 30/10/2023 07:21

OP, I am so sorry for the childhood experiences which have shaped how you feel now. It sounds so frightening and lonely. I am of the school of thought that the parenting we receive plays a huge part in how we develop our sense of self and our capacity to live happy and fulfilling lives.
You are trying to engage with life from a position of historic emotional and psychological disadvantage, and your parents have contributed to this in different ways. I don't think there are any easy answers for moving on from this position, but key to healing will be self-acceptance, and empathy with and compassion for both your younger self and the adult you as you sit with the hurt and mess of these complex feelings. You may find comfort in imagining adult you as a supportive presence when you remember difficult incidents, imagining stepping in to protect and advocate for you as a vulnerable child. I did this in therapy, and it was comforting and empowering. But, I'm not a therapist myself, so am not able to specifically advise.

I'm really sorry you seem to be getting some pushback on this most basic tenet of child psychology here. Anyone with lived experience of parental bullying or aggression, let alone from a starting point of having to navigate it as a neurodiverse child, would never presume to be so dismissive, and are likely offering their opinion from a place of privilege of having either had an affirming upbringing by emotionally stable and supportive parents, or if not, had the resources to harden themselves to adverse experiences, now rendering them unable to empathise.

Have courage, OP, I'm rooting for you.

You can support the op without denigrating others. Many people on here have been abused. Some much worse than the op has, myself included and I won’t go into harrowing detail. Please do not try to cancel others opinions, simply as they differ from yours.

Startingagainandagain · 30/10/2023 08:16

@Somanycats
''Sorry you are being unreasonable. It's useless to blame your parents for your difficulties,just as it would be for them to blame their parents for their very obvious problems. Do you want to be a victim all your life? You are in control of what happens to you from here on. You are by no means the only person with your conditions. How are you planning to move forward with them?''

Such an ignorant reply...

Children need a safe and supportive environment to grow up.

A kid who was bullied at home and at school will not be able to develop a proper sense of self-esteem.

Both her parents and classmates violated her boundaries. The adults in her life (parents and teachers) failed to keep her safe. Of course this has an effect on how a person sees the world and relates to others and will have an effect on her adult life.

It is perfectly right to call out child abuse and the fact that her childhood had a negative impact on her.

You seem to suggest that it was fine for her parents to hit her and shout at her which is abysmal because no mental health issues can ever justify abusing a child in your care...

OP, I hope you can access counselling to discuss everything that happened to you and to find strategies to cope so that you don't allow these people to have a lasting effect on you anymore.

Also if your father continues to be abusive and your mother enables his behaviour and never supports you, you really need to consider cutting ties with them. You don't need toxic people in your life and you should focus on your own recovery.

My own childhood also included being bullied/hit at home and at school (including instances of inappropriate touching by two different boys who faced no consequences).

It took a lot of therapy to get to a point where I could live my life without being affected. I also moved to a completely different location from my relatives and cut all contact with my parents.

I really hope you can find support. Charities like Mind offer low cost counselling if the waiting list is too long on the NHS.

Being diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum was also a light bulb moment for me and I realised that a lot of the behaviour that meant that people bullied me, including my parents, when I was a child and later on in life was in fact completely normal for someone with the condition.

arethereanyleftatall · 30/10/2023 08:38

There are some harsh replies here, but it's possible that they will be the helpful ones.

If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.

My point is that the op is currently very unhappy, so something needs to change.

To pick up one point from your op - you said that now at 30, you are hateful, nasty and aggressive with others, due to your father. Could he also say that?

MyEyesMyThighs · 30/10/2023 08:58

It isn't wrong to see that your parents are the explanation for the way you feel so unteathered now. However, they aren't going to provide the solution, they are just going to make it worse and worse.

You appear to think that them recognising they are to blame and changing is how things will get better, but it isn't going to happen. It will be better for you to move on from their opinions about you.

Surround yourself with examples of normal relationships, if possible, to recalibrate, even if it's in books and literature to start with. You blame yourself for sitting wrongly, but if you could see that most parents don't mind their DC hanging upside down in a seat with their feet on the wall, you'd start to see how unreasonable you DF was/is.

Best of luck OP, I hope you find a way through this, you're still so young.

Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:10

@GoodToBeHome I do plan on going to the GP with the assessment reports to access therapy and medication. I really do want to be able to work again one day. If I ever express that I want to around my mum, she will say things like “Go on then” (Sarcastically of course) and “Go and try, see how long it lasts”I know I’ve got a bad track record with employment but her comments are just not supportive or encouraging at all.

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:16

@arethereanyleftatall I definitely don’t want to stay in the position I’m in. I have expressed interest in things directly related to my degree, I have considered training in tattoo art, and my mum responded with ‘Eww’ I know it sounds really stupid and immature of me but her comments put me right off actually wanting to try anymore for that thing. I know I’m seeking their validation which probably sounds pathetic of me.

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:17

@arethereanyleftatall I guess I just feel really hurt that she encourages my other sibling to go really far in life but not me, all because I’ve got a condition. It just makes me feel even more hateful towards myself and my ASD.

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arethereanyleftatall · 30/10/2023 12:17

There doesn't seem to be any benefit to you whatsoever op, from having any contact with them.

Oblomov23 · 30/10/2023 12:18

I think most posts have not been ignorant nor harsh. Many have been supportive.

Misssassy89 · 30/10/2023 12:19

I'm so sorry you went through all that x

GoodToBeHome · 30/10/2023 12:23

Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:10

@GoodToBeHome I do plan on going to the GP with the assessment reports to access therapy and medication. I really do want to be able to work again one day. If I ever express that I want to around my mum, she will say things like “Go on then” (Sarcastically of course) and “Go and try, see how long it lasts”I know I’ve got a bad track record with employment but her comments are just not supportive or encouraging at all.

You are not going to get what you want from your parents (ie encouragement), ideally you need to get that from someone/somewhere else (yourself?).
You are 30 now, your parents opinions are irrelevant with regards to your career prospects! What do you want to do? When you think about yourself working what are you doing?
It might be that you enjoy waitressing in a local cafe for a couple of hours a day but you need to do something for you - entirely separate from your parents (you don't even need to tell them you are doing it, it isn't actually any of their business!!)
You are an adult with your own agency and ambitions, you are still relatively young at the moment but the years go quickly. Don't spend them sat at home on benefits because your parents are not encouraging you to go and get a life.

Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:24

@MyEyesMyThighs I’m fed up of my fathers frequent outbursts over things that would be considered trivialities to other people. I’m not suggesting I’m in any way perfect either, hell I’ve blown up too a lot in my life, but mostly due to others mistreatment of me I do feel.

I think my relationship with him has also unfortunately led me into other abusive relationships. I had a now ex friend who would blow up exactly the same way, and I slowly began resenting him until I finally had the guts to tell him about himself, and end the friendship.

I’ll definitely look at some books as you’ve suggested. Maybe when I’m feeling better in myself join some groups too, find people with similar interests.

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:31

@arethereanyleftatall I know this. I’m just scared of being alone, got no other family nor really any other decent friends. No partner or any DC either. Completely alone.

I do have a couple of friends that I speak to mainly over text, but we never meet up as live too far away, and one just uses me as an emotional sounding board I feel.

Another became very abusive towards me so I had to get rid. I’m not denying any wrong doing for the end of this particular friendship, I do think it might have become toxic because I went to them far too much for emotional support they couldn’t give.

But this friend did tell me that I really make people frustrated, and think I’m dumb and thick ect. They also frequently swore and shouted at me.

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:36

@GoodToBeHome Your right with regards to this. I really need to just stop listening to my mums negativity. I don’t want to just give up in life.

I’m honestly dreaming of getting into tattoo art as it’s something directly related to my degree.

But obviously I can’t do it until I’ve gotten proper treatment, therapy or medications. Need to take everything a step at a time and see how I go.

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:40

@arethereanyleftatall I agree. I do also think he would say that yes. But also he can be very nasty himself, particularly towards me when it is completely unwarranted.

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Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:43

@Startingagainandagain Sorry to hear you went through all that, and things similar to myself. I do hope that you are in a much better place mentally now, and are having a good life.

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ManateeFair · 30/10/2023 12:49

Yes, of course your mental health is a direct consequence of your abusive childhood, and also of the fact that you still have contact with them when they continue to abuse you.

SunlightOverBamburgh · 30/10/2023 14:00

I could have written so much of what you have written here OP, about your dad and also peer on peer sexual assault. I am in therapy for CPTSD, and a long history of diagnoses of Borderline PD, self harm, eating disorders and OCD. My sister is being investigated for ADHD, she struggles at work and socially due to it.

I am not yet ready to work properly and am on ESA, and PIP. I suffer horrific meltdowns and am under social services care because of it. I do volunteering as a peer mentor and I have had Dialectical Behavioural Therapy (I was able to access it on NHS some years ago because of diagnosis of BPD which is very much linked with the trauma but I think it may be possible to access it for CPTSD now, depends where you live). The DBT has helped a lot but I had a real struggle in myself to accept that I wasn't somehow exaggerating the abuse in my mind . I found an organisation in South West England (Bath) that did one on one and group trauma therapy using role play and drama and I did well in the individual sessions but found group a bit harder. Currently I am working with a lady one on one in Bristol who is doing a lot of parts work with me because I still battle dissociation and avoidance socially. She is excellent and I've healed a lot through her.

It's been a long journey and I still have my struggles. I do have a physical illness and I'm in my 40s, not sure when I will be back to work again but I am using my time to heal as much as I can .

We can't change the past , but we can help ourselves. For me it did take time to learn to validate my experiences as genuine and not just my fault. I was a difficult child due to my MH, and I certainly lashed out as a teen and adult at other people in some horrific ways . I'm surprised I didn't end up in prison to be honest . I've done some awful things. Those things are on me. But I can also see how they were linked to the abuse, even when my mind was in denial about how abusive my dad was (only recently had my sister acknowledged her own abuse at his hands, and this helped me realise that if my sister who was better behaved and more level headed than me was beginning to acknowledge her experiences , then may be I wasn't just being an attention seeking drama llama (like I had always been told I was and I did sometimes act that way, if I'm honest).

Validation is healing, self compassion is not self pity, selfishness or self indulgence (quite the opposite in fact). For what it's worth I don't think you are seeking blame to spite your parents but you are at the stage of needing your pain seen, heard and acknowledged.

it's like a broken bone needs time to heal. So does this. Ok, yes, this kind of pain takes far longer. But it's real and it's valid. It's not playing victim to get help. It's wisdom and common sense and actually the most productive thing you could do for you and those around you.

Oblomov23 · 30/10/2023 14:06

Start by making a GP appointment OP? One small step at a time.

GoodToBeHome · 30/10/2023 14:21

Moonchild0549 · 30/10/2023 12:36

@GoodToBeHome Your right with regards to this. I really need to just stop listening to my mums negativity. I don’t want to just give up in life.

I’m honestly dreaming of getting into tattoo art as it’s something directly related to my degree.

But obviously I can’t do it until I’ve gotten proper treatment, therapy or medications. Need to take everything a step at a time and see how I go.

My relative is a tattoo artist! He is self employed and doing really well.
Start looking into it and get a plan together, I wish you all the best.

Lastchancechica · 30/10/2023 15:07

I think you have to take some credit and a sense of accomplishment of having lived through the first thirty years of your life in this way.
It takes courage and determination to persevere when everything around you is so hard and hostile. You did this, despite your parents abuse.

For me the moment of truth was realising a stranger would do more to help me than my own parents.

That I was SAFER with total strangers. When I realised the truth in that fact, it is freeing, you are no longer afraid to be alone. The world is FULL of strangers more willing to help you than your own parents. I came across so many people that would help and show me kindness when I started out alone. I started saying I didn’t have any family if I was in hospital whilst young, and the nurses would be extra nice. It was true after all. My father was never going to ride to the rescue! After a while I found I didn’t need to answer the question, as I managed just fine all alone, even traumatic frightening life events because the truth of the matter is survivors like us were ALWAYS managing alone!!!

This became powerful. If I could face these things alone, what else could I do? So I started attempting to meet my own dreams. I lived a life that I wanted 1000 miles away from my horrible family. It was there that I had the space to recover, reconnect to my old self and feel emotional independence.

I stumbled terribly on the way. It took decades to have a healthy relationship. I didn’t even want one. The most important relationship you have is the one you have with yourself.

Pull away. Get treatment - see what happens.

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