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Dealing with a copycat

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IcyGleamyPinkyDiamond · 28/10/2023 04:28

My DH has worked at a company for 15 years. He is excellent at his job and is friends with the owner of the company. Some years after he started working there, a colleague (we'll call him G) started being friendly and wanted to hang out. My DH is pretty open, and G's wife seemed lovely, so we would see them from time to time socially. At this point, G had been working at the company longer than my DH, but was in a lower role. He also had no friends at the company; part of my DH's reason for hanging out with him was that he seemed like a nice enough chap who was being unfairly sidelined by other colleagues, left to eat alone in the canteen and so on. G complained about workplace bullying. We commiserated with him and his wife; G had been there longer than my DH, so perhaps he knew things or had experienced things we weren't yet aware of.

All was well, until we started to notice odd behaviour. G would turn up at work with an identical bag to my DH. He would laugh about it like it was "cute" for them to have matching bags. We laughed it off, stuff like that is no big deal. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right? He then started doing this more frequently, and would deny my DH had the item first. "We just have similar taste." Or he would buy the item, then if someone else asked him where he got it, he'd say "I found it at X." Even though my DH was sitting right next to him! DH would laughingly correct him, only to be told he was being petty. At this time, G's position in the company improved somewhat due to his association with my DH. Suddenly G was being invited to things he hadn't been before. He started lording it over his previous "bullies" and would boast about what branded items he'd bought with his pay rise. It made us uncomfortable, so we would try to change the topic and avoided spending time with him when drunk, as he would get very loud and brash.

Then things got really weird. He started copying my DH's work and passing it off as his own. This was eventually pointed out to him and he had a massive strop about it. He then started dressing like my DH, and copying his social media posts word for word with almost identical photos. G would become quite sulky if my DH mentioned other friends, complaining that he never showed him the respect he showed said other friends. He also became jealous if my DH opted to spend time with me over him. I did muse once to my DH that I might end up as the bunny in the pot. My DH was at a loss, telling him to stop and behave normally did nothing. He would apologise, then resume the behaviour a week or two later. One time, we agreed (stupidly) to go on a long weekend break with them. They have a sweet DD who has SEN; when they brought her, they basically left us to parent her and twice I had to run into the road to prevent her from being hit by a car, as she'd shot off when they weren't looking. It was very stressful, but they took our politeness and concern as a desperate desire to hang out with their kid so they could relax. For many reasons, we were not happy with this, but bringing it up felt rude. If ever my DH would bring up any concerns, G would say "we're brothers, like family, this stuff shouldn't matter." Except they weren't brothers, it did matter, and if this was pointed out he would sulk dreadfully. If ever he apologised, he would be constantly on the lookout for the slightest transgression by my DH and say "Aha! You made a mistake, too!" Almost with glee. It was like being in the twilight zone. We wanted to sever all ties, but at this point G had weasled his way into my DH's office, so a fall out felt like it would cause a bad workplace problem. He did eventually speak to HR quietly who said it was a known issue they were looking into. I will also confess I hate confrontation, and a few times prevented my DH from blowing a fuse. In retrospect, it was very wrong of me as I now realise how upsetting it was for him to basically be losing his identity to someone quite parasitic.

Things came to a head when G got drunk and went on a YouTube channel and threatened to beat some people up he didn't like. Legal at the company got involved and he was reprimanded and demoted. He had caused rifts elsewhere, and was demoted again and given a final warning. Before the first demotion my DH and I took a massive step back. My DH was very hurt as it started to seem like he had been used by G to "improve his standing" at work. Other colleagues came forward and said no bullying had taken place, they had simply decided to avoid him as he would "single white female" his targets, copy them in every way and then try to replace them. It's absolutely fucking bonkers, I had no idea this happened to actual adults. Of course, he denies it all, describes himself as a "golden retriever who just wants acceptance."

However, here's my conundrum. I like his wife. She has had a terrible few years. She lost her brother, and got a scary health diagnosis. This is on top of dealing with G, who I now believe to be deeply disturbed, and her DD (who he is no help at all with... I have never seen a parent so quick to fly off the handle in private, but constantly post on social media espousing how perfect she is to look good in front of coworkers). I was content with avoiding him but being emotionally supportive to her. Sadly, she recently sent a scathing message saying G is now "in a great place mentally since the breakup of the friendship" and accusing my husband of being incapable of forming healthy relationships and telling him to stop lying about G to other people. Honestly, we wouldn't have spoken to anyone else at all if they hadn't approached us, but as soon as it became apparent we were no longer friends with G people started sharing their mad stories with us. My DH is the only reason G has a job at all; apparently, prior to befriending him, they were looking for an excuse to fire him, but out of respect for my DH, and because initially G was on best behaviour, they decided to give him another chance. I really wish someone had told us...

Is it totally unreasonable for me at this stage to decide not to be friends with G's wife? I feel so desperately for her, they almost divorced as well during this (wish they had TBH). But after this pretty scathing attack on my DH I am feeling quite hurt. I understand there are two sides to every story, and we most certainly made mistakes, but she painted my DH like some sort of monster and G like an innocent victim, despite the fact G made our lives very difficult, and tried to sabotage my DH by "getting in there first" with job related things. The whole thing feels really toxic, but I don't want to be cruel to someone suffering.

Sorry this was so long, there's more but I hope this sort of covers it. We dealt with it for several years and feel so stupid that we walked into this situation. I really don't want to be a bad person.

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IcyGleamyPinkyDiamond · 28/10/2023 04:34

I realise that the title of the thread really has nothing to do with my actual question, sorry. We've dealt with the copycat, I just feel guilty about potentially abandoning his wife as a friend at a very difficult time. But, my DH definitely comes first.

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NeunundneunzigHorseBallonz · 28/10/2023 04:39

I think she obviously has to delude herself to stay with him in the first place. Also remember that she was just as quick to dump parenting her vulnerable child onto you so she could relax. I would also take her dramas with a grain of salt if they coincided with G’s work issues as they were probably communicated with you to be manipulative.

IcyGleamyPinkyDiamond · 28/10/2023 04:45

NeunundneunzigHorseBallonz · 28/10/2023 04:39

I think she obviously has to delude herself to stay with him in the first place. Also remember that she was just as quick to dump parenting her vulnerable child onto you so she could relax. I would also take her dramas with a grain of salt if they coincided with G’s work issues as they were probably communicated with you to be manipulative.

Thank you so much for replying. Yes, you're right regarding dumping the daughter on us. It caught me off guard because she dotes on her and is very sad that she's growing up (has that "I wish they could be babies forever" attitude).

That's also a very thoughtful point regarding dramas. Although I believe them all to be genuine, some are brought up at quite specific times. The marriage difficulties thing was used recently to illustrate how much they'd grown emotionally as a couple and didn't want to deal with my husband any more.

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Finestreason · 28/10/2023 04:50

I would cut all ties and run the fuck to the fucking arse of end of nowhere to get the fuck away from anyone with a whiff of this type of shit.

At the first sign of this office place copycat behaviour I would have sharply distanced myself from my work colleague and also his wife. Fuck all that shit, that’s bollocks. It diverts my mental energy, is a time drain, there’s nothing to be had from all this chaos, and it isn’t necessary to be a part of this shit.

Cut your fucking losses and abandon ship.

Unicorn34 · 28/10/2023 04:52

Hi. Sounds like a long and stressful time. I have learned to answer my own questions by removing myself from them and then imagine my 'best friend" is in the same situation - what would you advise her to do in the circumstances? Seems to me that his wife is Team G at the moment (maybe due to loyalty or duress) but she has to live with him, I expect he is talking about it constantly at home and she is being swayed in his favour, however, your loyalty is with your DH and I would step back from your friendship with her. I don't think you can be friends after all this tbh. Hope this helps a bit (we're both awake thinking at stupid o'clock!)

IcyGleamyPinkyDiamond · 28/10/2023 05:01

Finestreason · 28/10/2023 04:50

I would cut all ties and run the fuck to the fucking arse of end of nowhere to get the fuck away from anyone with a whiff of this type of shit.

At the first sign of this office place copycat behaviour I would have sharply distanced myself from my work colleague and also his wife. Fuck all that shit, that’s bollocks. It diverts my mental energy, is a time drain, there’s nothing to be had from all this chaos, and it isn’t necessary to be a part of this shit.

Cut your fucking losses and abandon ship.

I laughed a lot at your first paragraph! God, I wish we had nipped it in the bud. It just started quite innocently... and as an adult, complaining about someone copying you genuinely feels embarrassing, like it's something that shouldn't bother you in your late thirties? You're absolutely right about it being a drain. We feel exhausted from managing it.

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IcyGleamyPinkyDiamond · 28/10/2023 05:06

Unicorn34 · 28/10/2023 04:52

Hi. Sounds like a long and stressful time. I have learned to answer my own questions by removing myself from them and then imagine my 'best friend" is in the same situation - what would you advise her to do in the circumstances? Seems to me that his wife is Team G at the moment (maybe due to loyalty or duress) but she has to live with him, I expect he is talking about it constantly at home and she is being swayed in his favour, however, your loyalty is with your DH and I would step back from your friendship with her. I don't think you can be friends after all this tbh. Hope this helps a bit (we're both awake thinking at stupid o'clock!)

Hi, and thanks, this is very sensible. I'm definitely willing to put myself through stuff I wouldn't wish on other people. You're right, were it a friend, I'd advise them to cut their losses. I need to be a better friend to myself, I suppose. It does help! Sorry you're awake, too. I got the message just before bed (it was incredibly long and made multiple personal swipes about my DH) so I think it got my mind racing. DH wrote the perfect, calm, no nonsense short and sweet reply that wasn't personal or cruel at all. I think mentally I just need to accept the friendship is gone.

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slothfeatures · 28/10/2023 05:08

It sounds like you and your DH are nice kind people who have been targeted because of this.
You have ended up in an abusive relationship with this couple and you won’t see this as you are too close to the situation.

I understand that it can be difficult to disentangle yourselves with your DH working with this man but I don’t think you owe any loyalty to this couple and if you keep up your involvement you’ll continue to be manipulated and dragged into their dramas.
If this man’s wife is so unhappy it’s up to her to leave, the more you offer support you are actually enabling her to stay with him.

Cut all ties and focus on your own lives, NOTHING from this friendship is benefiting you and you don’t deserve shitty friends.
You have been very kind to keep trying and giving them the benefit of the doubt but this man sounds absolutely toxic and he’s managed to manipulate you and DH to staying friends with him so he’s probably done the same with his own wife.

I’d look at finding some friends who show you mutual respect and support and who you actually have fun and enjoy being around. Don’t feel guilty about turning your back on this couple you’ve done enough for them!

IcyGleamyPinkyDiamond · 28/10/2023 05:20

Thank you, slothfeatures, that was really kind of you to say. I feel quite guilty, I think the relationship dragged on longer than it should have, I feared a dissolution of the friendship would drive G to further reckless behaviour which would negatively impact his wife. And I was right, but I realise it wasn't my place to make my husband and I deal with it at our own expense to try and protect someone else. He and I talked about that at length as we don't want it to happen again. I'm pretty angry with myself.

Fortunately we have loads of great friends, and since we stopped being unable to see other people (it really does sound insane but if we wanted to meet other people we had to do it in secret!) we've realised how many wonderful people we know. That has been a huge relief. G also wormed his way into multiple friendships and we were concerned some friends might be upset with us, but so far 100% have categorically stated they can't stand his boastfulness and are relieved they no longer have to see him. I can't believe we were so taken in by it. We're usually not daft but I'm thinking my EQ might by lower than I previously gave myself credit for!

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StarTrek6 · 28/10/2023 05:23

Finestreason · 28/10/2023 04:50

I would cut all ties and run the fuck to the fucking arse of end of nowhere to get the fuck away from anyone with a whiff of this type of shit.

At the first sign of this office place copycat behaviour I would have sharply distanced myself from my work colleague and also his wife. Fuck all that shit, that’s bollocks. It diverts my mental energy, is a time drain, there’s nothing to be had from all this chaos, and it isn’t necessary to be a part of this shit.

Cut your fucking losses and abandon ship.

Yes, do this

IcyGleamyPinkyDiamond · 28/10/2023 05:34

StarTrek6 a resolute answer! Thank you.

I have a follow up question that might make me sound like an alien. Do I delete them from social media? G already deleted my DH a while ago as apparently he missed him so much he found seeing his posts painful (according to his wife). I never interact with G online, in person I just say hello and he usually runs away (he is a bully online with those he perceives as of lower stature, and when drunk, but when sober in person is quite cowardly). With his wife I've always been friendly, but recently most of her posts are about how amazing their relationship is and how great his job is going, and it all feels very disingenuous and there's no way I'm liking those posts. What do actual adults do? Just ignore them? Unfollow? Unfriend? I feel like some sort of alien for asking these questions, sorry. I've just never dealt with this before. I'd like to add that even thought most colleagues can't stand him, they're very "nicey nice" online to them both (my DH can't bear that as he thinks it's dishonest) and I feel like defriending makes some weird statement, when really I just want to be left alone.

Anyway, I swear I'm a fairly normal human, I just feel like I've come out of a five year long fugue state.

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romdowa · 28/10/2023 05:44

You can mute people on social media, so it hides them and their posts but to them it appears that you are still connected. In your shoes this is what I would do for now until this has died down a bit and then just block them. Definitely do not get drawn back in with these people , no matter how sorry you feel for the wife.

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BlankTimes · 28/10/2023 05:52

What an ordeal !

As it seems so out of character for her, is it possible that G wrote the awful message you received and used his wife's account to do so?

That aside, you are better off cutting ties with both of them, it is a shame to lose contact with a former friend, but one who is under some sort of thrall to a man like that cannot be helped until such time as she sees him for what he really is.

Remona · 28/10/2023 05:57

Sadly, she recently sent a scathing message saying G is now "in a great place mentally since the breakup of the friendship" and accusing my husband of being incapable of forming healthy relationships and telling him to stop lying about G to other people.

Well, she’s done you a massive favour, hasn’t she? You can now get rid of the pair of them. Delete them both from social media and have nothing more to do with them. They sound bonkers.

Jewelspun · 28/10/2023 05:58

Your husbands mistake was to see someone sitting on their own and automatically assume it was everyone else who was the problem and not understand that when people are ostracised at work it's because that person is the trouble maker.

You are now feeling similar to your husband by having similar misguided feelings of sympathy dow the wife and daughter. The wife knew who she has married and what he is like and continues to be married to him.

To move on from this you need to push all thoughts of this family aside and count yourself lucky your husbands job was not put in jeopardy.

You and your husband have learnt a lesson, being nice to an unpopular person is going to end in tears.

OldBilge · 28/10/2023 06:33

Jewelspun · 28/10/2023 05:58

Your husbands mistake was to see someone sitting on their own and automatically assume it was everyone else who was the problem and not understand that when people are ostracised at work it's because that person is the trouble maker.

You are now feeling similar to your husband by having similar misguided feelings of sympathy dow the wife and daughter. The wife knew who she has married and what he is like and continues to be married to him.

To move on from this you need to push all thoughts of this family aside and count yourself lucky your husbands job was not put in jeopardy.

You and your husband have learnt a lesson, being nice to an unpopular person is going to end in tears.

I think the problem is less ‘being kind to an unpopular person’ than ‘automatically assuming the apparently ostracised person is the wronged party’, when saying ‘Why does no one ever eat lunch with G?’ would have got the OP’s husband a lot of useful information and pre-empted a lot of fuss. I could understand it if your husband were brand new at the company, but he’s been there years, and presumably knows the colleagues ignoring G?

Both you and your husband have poor boundaries, OP, and I don’t understand how his work lame duck turned into a family project, ensuring you ended up involved and going on joint weekends away with him and his wife etc, or why the situation dragged on as long as it did despite you both being unhappy.. OK, you encountered a loon, but see it as a wake-up call to use better judgement when getting to know people and not taking on someone as a ‘project’. If your husband generally has such poor judgement, tell him to keep work ‘projects’ at work.

Chickenkeev · 28/10/2023 06:47

IcyGleamyPinkyDiamond · 28/10/2023 05:34

StarTrek6 a resolute answer! Thank you.

I have a follow up question that might make me sound like an alien. Do I delete them from social media? G already deleted my DH a while ago as apparently he missed him so much he found seeing his posts painful (according to his wife). I never interact with G online, in person I just say hello and he usually runs away (he is a bully online with those he perceives as of lower stature, and when drunk, but when sober in person is quite cowardly). With his wife I've always been friendly, but recently most of her posts are about how amazing their relationship is and how great his job is going, and it all feels very disingenuous and there's no way I'm liking those posts. What do actual adults do? Just ignore them? Unfollow? Unfriend? I feel like some sort of alien for asking these questions, sorry. I've just never dealt with this before. I'd like to add that even thought most colleagues can't stand him, they're very "nicey nice" online to them both (my DH can't bear that as he thinks it's dishonest) and I feel like defriending makes some weird statement, when really I just want to be left alone.

Anyway, I swear I'm a fairly normal human, I just feel like I've come out of a five year long fugue state.

This is meant very kindly, and i am someone who lives inside their own head but...get over yourself! If people aren't making you feel good, let them go. It's hard, but neccessary. Let them off. They might have stuff going on in their own lives.

Gingercreams · 28/10/2023 06:50

Cut them out of your life. She is staying with her husband and will support him - no matter how crazy he is. Either of them will do you harm if they can. Do not interact with them in any way. Definitely unfollow and unfriend. Block them on everything you can. I think you know your husband was a prize idiot by the way. Why didn't he talk to his colleagues about why this person was ostracised before deciding that all of his other colleagues were unfairly disliking this person? You are not required to be friends with G to stop him going crazy and upsetting his wife. She married him, not you, and has chosen to stay married to him. To be perfectly frank, I like to keep work friendships as just that and don't let them leach into my private life. Let's hope G gets fired soon as he is on a final warning. I would keep my social media totally locked down and have almost nothing on line.

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BettyPhuckzer · 28/10/2023 07:08

I'm also interested in why this could be an AI thread. It'd be good to have pointers to look out for. 🥰

JustToBeMe · 28/10/2023 07:18

Who or what is Al, can anyone explain

SausagesAreAmazing · 28/10/2023 07:20

@artishard how do you know? I'm thinking I'm really gullible now, not having a clue!!

Passepartoute · 28/10/2023 07:28

Is it totally unreasonable for me at this stage to decide not to be friends with G's wife?

She's made the choice for you, hasn't she? Just be grateful for that.