Results like these at a general election would mean Tory annihilation

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Says a BBC headline this morning.

Anyone else stockpiling popcorn?

But how big is the fear of boats?

Whatever the previous by election that the Tories lost was interesting ( can’t remember where but it was a sort of leafy Tory voting area). The constituents weren’t bothered about the boats. They were bothered about Truss, mortgages and the cost of living.

l don’t know anyone who cares about boats apart from compassionate reasons. They care about power bills, and cost of living ( or Cozzy Livs as Dd calls it🤮)

The greatest gift is English as a first language. Everyone, worldwide, wants to speak it. It is the global language. And I speak French well and can get by in German, Spanish and Portuguese

• just.

That's all very well but I made it very clear that I'm talking about from my perspective and my perspective only, as an explanation as to why I don't really give a stuff about politics anymore.

I must say I am absolutely terrified of boats. There was one sat on the path yesterday where I was trying to walk. It was just sat their looking at me out the side of its eyes and occassionally knashed its teeth.

Terrifying.

@Papyrophile I'm an EU national in the UK and I have the option of leaving. And if the Tories get in again, that becomes a very serious option. I'm younger than you and still working, but I have savings, a paid for house and a decent pension so I have options too. My political engagement in the UK comes from all the people I know over here who do not have the choices I have. And frankly, political Tory annihilation would suit my family (with disabilities and without wealth) just fine.

I read reports that similar happened with Labour voters when Corbyn was leader. Now that he's gone, presumably they'll return. That's going to be another ballache for Tory strategists.

You're right as usual. It's always that But Jeremy Corbyn's fault.

If only the Tory party had eloquent strategists like me, they wouldn't be losing bye-bye elections all over the country.

That's as selfish as it gets really. So long as you're alright hey?

For the "it was only Conservative voters who stayed home" crowd, this from Survation is interesting. Turnout estimates.

That's not a general goodbye election so does not count.

@RogueFemale Truss was absolutely right about needing growth and increased productivity. She just didn’t understand how markets react to sacking the top
Treasury Mandarin snd not bothering at all with the OBR. Labour are focussed on having the highest growth in the G7. (Look at their web site!) Hopefully they understand how the markets work and won’t trash the economy. They would do well to learn from Truss’s grave errors. Their goals are the same though.. Growth provides higher tax take, business confidence, exports, better paid jobs and better services. What’s not to like?

We were talking about thatcher because she was the cause of much of today's problems, from housing to privatised core infrastructure - how can you say the country was better run when so much money was lost?

If she had created a wealth fund as Norway did we'd have a multi billion pot to play with not the biggest debt ever.

Every conservative government since has given more of our resources to the money men and faffed about with economic models like some bullingdon jape.

If you don't care about politics what on earth are you doing on a politics thread? Just looking for opportunity to throw some insults around?

It's easy to say you don't care about politics if you aren't one of the millions suffering. Thankfully more and more people are showing they do care.

The Tories are losing to everyone, everywhere.

Almost every time the country gets a chance to vote they vote out a Tory.

I've heard Starmer be honest about this repeatedly.

He's very often said he can't make any manefesto policies yet because they country is economically in dire straits and it may be worse when he takes over. He's repeatedly said there's no easy solution but at least he's recognising what needs to be done and making noises about doing it.

The story's are just denying anything's fucked up and when pointed out where it's fucked us with facts pretend they've not been in power for 13 years and/or blame Labour.

Who knows of Labour will be better? But I'd feather have a party leading the country that at least care about the people living there.

Tories lost a lot of people when they did Lockdown. You can’t lock conservatives up then expect them to vote for you.

When Tories act like socialist authoritarians, they lose their voters.

Both parties taking us in a downward spiral.

This has been proven not to be the big issues the Tory's would like to try and use it as.

People are far more interested in coast of living and services.

Because let's face it. These issues affect everyone. How many of us in reality are affected by a trans woman daily?

Look at the fiasco we get when voting for “other” parties. Such as the coalition when people voted for Clegg and brexit when people voted for farage! I’d prefer either Tory or labour than yet another disaster when people vote for a fringe party.

Maybe there will be positive news out of Argentina tomorrow.

My interpretation of that low turn out of Tory voters is that they couldn't/ won't vote Tory but they refuse to vote elsewhere.

Which of course will matter at a GE.

Will we see a Labour landslide with low turnout or high turnout.

But the fact is that if Tory voters won't vote or spoil it won't win the Tory's the election.

If Labour win it won't matter how they will they'll be running the country.

I'm living in hope I get to find out what going from Braverman to - well - just someone human - functioning or not - will be like

I think the Lib Dems managed to successfully restrain the Tories in quite a lot of areas, it is post-2015 they've gone really destructive.
I was angry the Lib Dems were willing to go along with the lie that somehow Labour caused the global economic situation.

That's a pertinent point.

It may well get to the point they need to call a GE just to ensure they are the opposition party before people completely lose faith and we see an increase in Tory voters staying at home.

(Although after this shower of shite I'd be happy to let them destroys themselves!)