AIBU to believe FIL time slip experience?

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FIL was round yesterday evening for dinner with his wife. We were talking about the Uncanny podcast & recent TV episode then he told us of two experiences he'd had in the same place a number of years apart. After I went & did some research & asked a couple questions today, he's told us of another experience he had in the same place that was similar to one of the other experiences but that happened when he as a child.

I'm quite sceptical about paranormal type events I guess because I've never witnessed anything myself but am generally quite open minded. I don't believe FIL to be the type to make this sort of thing up & he was almost unwilling to tell us in case we thought he was crazy. He's never told anyone before.

AIBU to think what he experienced could've been real? In one of the instances he interacted with people in the past, his recall was quite genuine & he had some significant detail that you couldn't just make up. Has anyone else experienced a time slip or some other paranormal event they couldn't explain? I'm intrigued!

Evidently it isn't based on the content of my post.

They don't need to explicitly claim it for it to be patently obvious that is the underlying theme.

I’m just irritated by the breezy smugness of some posters who are so very quick to rubbish the evidence of other people’s eyes and ears.

There comes a point for everyone when we do have to trust our own senses.

Surely if there is one thing we learn over time, it really is that you cannot trust the evidence of your eyes and ears? How many of us have, for instance, seen a conjuror at work and, at least first time round, would have been absolutely sure that they had made that rabbit disappear, conjured a coin out of someone's ear, chopped someone in half only to make them appear whole again, etc? The police will tell you that, time after time, when a number of witnesses have seen an event, they will get radically different descriptions of what they saw and in particular what the perpetrator or his vehicle/clothes etc looked like - and all of those people will have had absolute faith in what they believe they saw.

We know that there are proven fraudulent mediums out there who will convince at least some of their punters that they heard someone dead talking to them through the medium, or that they saw ectoplasm floating around as evidence of the medium's psychic powers. And we know that there are people who simply deceive themselves, whether it is because they happen to be particularly vulnerable or credulous, or because they just want to believe.

A lot of claimed paranormal encounters seem to reflect the popular culture of the time. With sleep paralysis, for example, centuries ago people would usually report encounters with witches and demons. After the idea of aliens became more popular, reports of witches and demons dropped off but claims of alien abduction became quite widespread.

Similarly, claims of time slips have become more frequent in recent decades, following time travel becoming a common sci fi trope (yes there have been some literary usage of time slips as a plot device as far back as the 19th century but it, like claims of real-world time slips, have become increasingly common more recently).

That's exactly what I was going to say.

I think that is projection. I rarely mention the things I have mentioned on this thread unless someone else brings it up because people are more likely to think you are odd or making it up. I can't think anyone is saying it for reasons like that.

I also find it fascinating and just want to talk about it with other people.

Out of interest, when do you personally decide when to trust the evidence of your own senses?

Great question, and I suspect each person would have a different answer if we had the time & space to evaluate it carefully.

After having been misjudged, misled and lied to all my life, I discovered in therapy that much of what I knew about myself was wrong. Simultaneously, I learned the amazing power of imagination - my treatment included hypnotherapy and guided visualisations. The experience of actually BEING on a perfect beach, or floating on a raft in a glittering sea, while in a Clapham office is marvellous and much cheaper than a holiday 😎 I also used it for pain management and various other real-world purposes.

This rapid influx of discoveries led me to question the reality of my experiences, especially when other people were involved. Now I have mini checklists (therapists might call this 'grounding') and have learned an absolute ton about how human perception works. It all comes in particularly useful now I have chronic illnesses that can cause minor hallucinations and phantom pain.

I still use a form of self-hypnosis, love Derren Brown's shows, and would go for regular 'hypnotic holidays' if I could! But anyone trying to gaslight me would get short shrift nowadays.

I used the guided visualization for MRIs. Weirdest feeling I was so calm. Felt as if i had been inside the machine for a couple of minutes. I did vaguely hear the noise but not in a disturbing way.

Yes, but can’t you see that for every, I don’t know, 99 times where it’s a fairly easy mistake or trick of the light or neurological issue, there may be one that’s a real head-scratcher? A weird incident, witnessed by more than one person, that can’t quickly be dismissed by a supercilious keyboard warrior like @newamsterdam as ‘you imagined it’?

Again, I’m not arguing for a specific case here, certainly not one of my own, but for the existence of incidents that deserve more than a cursory sneer because, presumably, the person concerned has given it a good deal of thought precisely because it stands out as remarkable amongst all the mundane things of life!

I was merely pointing out that the arrogance of this quick dismissal is what is so irritating. As if everyone but those acerbic posters is incapable of doing any critical thinking at all.

Of course there’s more than likely an explanation, but in some cases we don’t currently have the tools to work it out, so it’s perfectly legitimate to be stumped. We don’t necessarily need the Science Police mocking everyone for perfectly normal reactions to weirdness!

And I am still intrigued to know at what point some people do trust their own senses?

@SurprisedWithAHorse I have various premonitions from really good, to tragic to completely mundane that have no bearing on anything.
A good one happened in our old house, I said to my DH that a specific neighbour was going to knock and make us on offer on our house and I'd had a vision of a house I'd never seen before. Ours wasn't even up for sale, we hadnt even planned on moving, we hardly spoke to the neighbour other than a "Good morning" Within an hour, he knocked and asked if we'd be interested in selling and made a generous offer. We did. And on our property search found the house from my vision. I'd described perfectly one of the rooms that wasn't photographed (it was a wacky decorated room) That's the house we live in now, it was the best thing we ever did.

I've also seen deaths before they've happened and pictured the funerals down to small details that I couldn't have known.
I also get completely mundane ones everyday. Like "Suchabody is going to call in a minute. They've just got a new car" about people we haven't spoken to for months. Just boring things like that.

I don't tell anybody apart from my husband and mum, because I don't want people to think I'm crazy. DH is so logical, scientific and anti 'woo woo' He's sceptical of anything like that. But it's happened far too many times and can't be explained, that he completely accepts them as truth.

I don't think I'm special. Not at all. I actually think that everyone has the capability and maybe it's triggered by trauma or something. It's not a gift. I can't read anybody or make myself predict anything (like the lottery numbers) They just randomly come into my head and when it's something horrible, it's absolutely terrifying and then I have awful guilt that maybe I haven't had a premonition about it, but rather I've made it happen by manifesting it or something. But the reasonable part of me tells me that's impossible, as I don't have any control over my cousin Bob's boss giving him an unexpected promotion.
I don't actually care if anybody on here believes me. I'm just a faceless user name. But I do like hearing of other people who have similar. When we don't talk about it to people we know, because it's actually quite embarrassing.

Yes, but can’t you see that for every, I don’t know, 99 times where it’s a fairly easy mistake or trick of the light or neurological issue, there may be one that’s a real head-scratcher? A weird incident, witnessed by more than one person, that can’t quickly be dismissed by a supercilious keyboard warrior like @newamsterdamas ‘you imagined it’?

Well of course. But that doesn't mean there isn't an explanation. I don't know how the magician makes the elephant disappear, but I know someone else knows. Hell, I still don't understand how you can talk to somoene on the phone and hear their exact voice. Honestly seems like magic to me. But I know that its simple for other people.

You're very rude to call me such names when I'm merely pointing out basic facts. There is nothing supercilious about speaking obvious truth, and I'm no more or less a "keyboard warrior" than you are.

And the answer is, we trust our senses when it makes logical sense to do so. If I'm walking down a road in Liverpool and see buses and Greggs and so on, I trust that. If I see horses and ladies in victorian dresses, I don't.
If I talk to people I know are alive, I trust that. If I'm having a conversation with people I know are dead, I don't.

Again, its really not that complicated.

Imagination is at the crux of a lot of this, but first it’s important to explore what imagination is, for the materialist it’s just the brain synthesising lots of experiences, however to many it is the connection to the divine. You can find echoes of this in mysticism, the three fold imagination of Samuel Taylor Coleridge and especially Blake who viewed it as the New Jerusalem the twelve pillared cube which comes down to earth at the end of Revelation. In fact the words of the hymn Jerusalem which he wrote as his prelude to Milton is not the jingoistic sing it’s become it led the building of imagination in England’s green and pleasant land Aka Albion the archetype of man.

puttijg yourself in an altered state of consciousness eg self hypnosis is the best way to access the true imagination

I can tarot read events I have no clue about. Fucking terrifying and I refuse to touch the fuckers. Anyone who tells you all tarot readers cold read, lies or is pig ignorant. I have no ability to cold read and cant do it without my specific tarot deck.

I had a friend who died intrude in a dream to say goodbye. All normal you might say, except he quite excitedly told me the sex of my unborn baby and a couple of other unexpected things that came to pass. DD also experienced something similar recently when a family member passes.

I've had a couple of conversations with one person where I've realised neither of us were actually talking. Incidently He could tarot read too.

There's two ghosts who cohabit my house occasionally. Recently I realised DD saw them when she was younger too. We think they've moved on now though.

We like to think scientists know everything but go back through history and your find discarded theories that have since been disproved.

But are they basic facts or just someone’s perspective?

Why is it Patently obvious. In fact I would think it’s quite the opposite here. Lots of people having similar experiences means it’s really the norm in this current group so no one is special. The way to stand out and appear special is to turn up and claim some kind of superior knowledge and rubbish what is the group norm. No who is doing that? Who wants to appear special ie different to the norm.

We like to think scientists know everything but go back through history and your find discarded theories that have since been disproved.

Yeah, that's the scientific method. Nobody's said scientists know everything, least of all scientists! Science builds on the increasing sum of human knowledge, proving and disproving as it goes along. Literally millennia of research has gone into examining woo, spiritual, religious, psychic phenomena. Why do you think those many findings have been discarded?

I haven't read all of the thread yet, so this may have been mentioned, but the latest episode of The UnXplained with William Shatner (Series 6 episode 2) is about this very topic. It even discusses Liverpool's Bold Street.

Some readers might not have heard of micro-sleep.

You tarot read what you want to believe doesn't make it true, it isn't pig ignorant to disbelieve you, we only have your word to take.

Your post implies you clearly believe in most of this so you will argue it's true.

In reality it's a load of codswallop and none of your experiences are factual.

But I guess that’s my point. It’s a bit chicken and egg. For example was a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court a result of something happening to the universe which inspired the book or did the book inspire the experience?

what creates a “popular culture”? Is it the subject or is it a reflection?

And you clearly believe that none of it is true so everything you say will reinforce your perspective (disappointingly expressed in a derogatory way).

As a matter of interest why did you click on and decide to read this thread. What were you hoping to get out of it? I mean you gave up some time to do it so presumably you expected something to compensate for that loss of time.

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If I ever got am idea of lottery tickets I would buy one just in case. But ime these things are never particularly helpful, the things you should believe and act on you don't, because that would be crazy right? And the stuff that doesn't matter, well it doesn't matter so 🤷‍♀️

A dellusion is something that isn't real and has never happened. I don't put any interpretation on these things cos frankly I haven't a sodding clue. But they do go beyond what I presently understand through science. My experiences just don't fit with where science is now.

If they haven't happened to you 🤷‍♀️ I get why they don't seem real. Your only present "logical" explanation is that she must be crazy because that fits with your experiences. But this is why I dont discuss this in real life, if you know you know and if you don't you probably never will.

You have the scientific right of the argument of course.

Much like those doctors that bled their patients because they were fixing the imbalance of the 4 humours. It wasn't ignorance that they were following, but the science of the era.

Who knows what we will understand better in the years to come?

We like to think scientists know everything

If you think scientists think they know everything, you have failed to understand the basic concept of it so completely that you truly have nothing to add to the thread.

I have a right to click on any thread, and that is my business. I clicked on it because the thought of timeslips sounded interesting however untrue.

However we have gone done the road of supposed physics and clairvoyants, which I absolutely detest as nearly all are vile vultures who prey on the vunerable and grieving and utterly disgust me, and codswallop is tame compared to my actual thoughts.

In what way? Can you expand on that?

My point was that science year on year gets a better understanding of stuff. But historically people act based on where science is at that moment in time because, well, thats what the present understanding is.... even if that later proves to be false.