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WHY would there be dairy in rice, and bread?

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plantsandwich · 14/10/2023 17:23

Planning a trip to London and was looking at some restaurants near where I'll be staying. I'm vegan, my trip partner isn't, needed to look at some options that'll cater for both of us.

Found a Turkish restaurant that I thought looked fab-Turkish and Greek food is usually a safe bet. Nothing on the menu labelled vegan, but still this isn't always the case and I figured I couldn't go far wrong with stuffed vine leaves containing onion, herbs and rice, a hummus and bread starter, Imam Bayildi, Okra Stew, vegetable Stew-all of the last three are mains and all served with rice and none had any dairy or egg element to them.

I did however email them to ask to book a table, and I mentioned that I was vegan and had chosen them for this reason.

I had a very polite email back with a list of vegan options on it however of those three mains, I would have to have them with salad instead of rice as 'our rice contains dairy' and I couldn't have the bread with the hummus starter either-they didn't specify why, just said 'Hummus starter' (with carrot and cucumber instead of rice). The vine leaves weren't on the list either, I assume because of the rice/dairy issue.

One issue with this is WHY? Breads don't need to contain milk (unless sourdough/soda bread which this is not!) and WHY is there dairy in rice?Rice is literally a natural grain? How would dairy end up in it?

My other issue is, salad is NOT a substitute for rice. Rice is a carb. It adds sustenance to a meal, salad does not do that. Vegans aren't rabbits...
This is why I end up eating in chains a lot of the time, even though ethically I'd love to support local businesses more.

Not great for people with allergies or intolerances either-they could be forgiven for not checking if rice has dairy in it.

Went back to the drawing board and found an Italian restaurant that caters fully for vegans so that's that I guess. Smile

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BiscuitsandPuffin · 16/10/2023 12:43

TheLastParty · 16/10/2023 12:28

The world does not have to support your self imposed limitations.

Everyone has self-imposed limitations. Or are you in the habit of eating cats and dogs with a side of horse sauce and some fried slugs for dessert?

Didn't think so. Yawn. Try harder.

WrongSwanson · 16/10/2023 12:44

I'm very grateful to the people with "self imposed" limitations as capitalism means it's only since veganism etc became more prevalent that dairy and egg allergies became better catered for.

Torganer · 16/10/2023 12:45

Banh Mi Bay has great Vietnamese dishes including vegan and uses rice noodles.

The House of Ho is a great South Asian restaurant. Basically any Vietnamese or Malaysian will cater for you both easily.

DF Tacos have loads of options.

You are also a 20min walk from Soho and if you can’t find anything there, then it’s not worth eating!!

Doveyouknow · 16/10/2023 13:09

I think is pretty common to add butter to rice in middle Eastern food and I assume they add it to a batch so a dairy free portion might not be that easy. All the Turkish restaurants near me in London also add noodles to rice which I would assume contain egg. Not terribly vegan friendly but I am not sure it's their target market.

plantsandwich · 16/10/2023 16:14

I am glad allergies are being better catered for nowadays.

Thank you for the recommendations @Torganer !

Yes @Doveyouknow this thread has educated me-as I've said I've just been fortunate before now with restaurants I've been to.

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gotomomo · 16/10/2023 17:03

Turkish bread is made with yogurt. I'm guessing the rice isn't plain rice

Nopenopenopenopenopenope · 16/10/2023 17:47

Sourdough doesn't have to contain milk fwiw. I've never heard of it being made with milk.

TheLastParty · 16/10/2023 19:13

@BiscuitsandPuffin what a ridiculous argument. No, I don't eat any animal flesh. And I don't moan about restaurants including it in dishes on their menus.

spookehtooth · 16/10/2023 23:07

@WrongSwanson I've probably met as many people who eat some vegan stuff due to allergies as I've met actual vegans.

Irony perhaps, too, is that the biggest driver for vegan food sales is ... not vegans! But omnivores wanting to eat less meat. Vegan options on a menu aren't exclusive to vegans, they're suitable for probably the widest variety of people. In a world where medical professionals tell us that a lot of people have a bad diet, and need more veg. I fail to see the controversy. Nobody is ever asking for options only vegans eat or some rare expensive ingredients

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