To think we should avoid London right now?

[StayorgoLDN]

Due to visit London in the next few weeks.

Anxious with Palestinian protests and so forth in the news. I don’t want to be near that with young children, and worried that it may escalate to some sort of attack.

We are not Jews, but presuming as the U.K. is supporting Israel that we’ll all be fair game ie there might be an attack/bomb somewhere prominent to send a message to gov.

Have been in London during terrorist attacks before and I’d rather avoid.

AIBU to consider rescheduling our family trip to next year?

Every single woman, child, baby, elderly person dying for this fucking stupid conflict is a tragedy. I don't want any babies to die. I don't want any women to be hinted down and raped on video with the video shared on social media. I don't want any elderly people murdered with the video broadcast on their own Facebook page.

I can't belive I need to state this explicitly but perhaps I do.

There were hundreds of thousands of people on demos like this across the world. They are not all Palestinians, not by a long way.

The entire situation is just appalling, agonising. I can't express how much I want it all to stop. There is no point scoring for me. I wish all the women would turn out and demonstrates for peace, instead of mocking, celebrating and laughing at the deaths of Jews. And yes I've seen that, multiple times, multiple videos.

There is no part of me that would react with amusement, joy, jeering or mockery to the rape and murder of women and children. Of any race, religion, nationality. Every one is a tragedy, a crime against humanity. I wish those who turn out to these demonstrations would say the same.

We have been under the threat level: Substantial for almost a year now, meaning an attack is likely and we are all still carrying on in London despite this threat level.

Nothing here, or nothing advertised anyway. Seems a bit odd, I would like to pay my respects. Can't stop thinking about those poor girls, that old lady, those bloody cots... The Times reported a severely disabled person was taken, can't speak can't even feed herself. I can't do much but I would like to show my thought are with them I guess.

The IRA killed around 600 civilians during the Troubles.

Not true. It was much higher.

The Northern Ireland Troubles, which lasted from 1969 to 1998, resulted in the deaths of over 3,600 people. Just over half of those killed were civilians

Doesn’t count as a vigil, but I saw saw flowers laid outside the security gate of Kensington Park Rd where the Israeli Embassy is based.

No. My responses are not one-sided. I've explicitly condemned and told you I've cried and continue to mourn for every single innocent person caught up in this horror

What I'm not hearing or seeing is anything similar from anyone on these demonstrations..

If it had been a protest to stop killing all innocent people then it could have been a genuine call for peace. It wasn't. It was utterly totally one sided and it's incredible that you seek to justify that.

This wasn't a peace demo, it was a pro palestine anti Israel demo. Because really... do whatever you want to Jews, I guess. Plus ca fucking change.

I personally think this man is disgusting. There is no way anyone is that tone deaf, he knew exactly what he was doing.

There was a vigil a few days ago but it was quiet and peaceful and didn't cause any disruption so not really known about or reported. It was mainly attended by Jews.

David lammy and wes streeting did attend, which meant a lot.

Sorry. Could you explain what you mean please? Are you referring to the man being beaten up by a large crowd?

I wish every Israeli would say the same as you. Instead we have footage of soldiers cheering each other on for killing children. Of Naftali being asked what he thinks about the siege causing the deaths of civilians in hospitals, and him calling them Nazis and say he would not help his enemy. Of Israelis every single year marching and chanting "death to the Arabs" during the Jerusalem flag march. Of a banner hung a main intersection in Tel Aviv calling for a genocide in Gaza.

I think you probably deplore all that, because you sound like a good person. Is it fair for me to say you should be categorised with them? If not, why do you think all people on the marches should be categorised by the most extreme?

I wish all the useful fucking idiots would listen to Palestinians like this instead of doing Hamas’s work for them
https://x.com/YasMohammedxx/status/1712557584258138171?s=20

well clearly this thread has now been hijacked from answering OP's question 🙄there are plenty of other threads for you posters to go debate whether you agree with whats happening

Oh ok thanks, I'm sorry to have missed it. There's not been any march in support of the Jews though, or even anti-hamas?

I agree a peace demo would be a wonderful thing. The fact is Israel has the unequivocal support of the most powerful nations on the planet. Palestine does not. I’m not sure why you are so fixated on the pro-Palestine demos (which, ultimately, will change fuck all). I can’t think of a single person who isn’t horrified by what happened on both sides.
I think it’s misleading to say Hannan was celebrating the deaths of Israelis - she gave wider context that led to this.

Twitter posts here and there do not tell the whole story. It is very easy to find videos to back up any point of view. They don’t give an idea of scale.

Yes, i deplore all of that.

I would never go on a march that condemned killings, torture, rape, kidnap etc by one side only.

I wouldn't go on a march designed to terrorise and marginalise a tiny minority (jews) in their own country.

If you, as a Palestinian woman, wanted to march for peace and to protest against the terrible things inflicted on women, children and innocent civilians regardless of their religion, nationality or ethnicity, condemning the suffering of ALL innocent people caught up in this bullshit, I would love to stand shoulder to shoulder with you against this horror.

These are not demonstrations for peace, these are not demonstrations that recognise the humanity and innocence of people in both Israel and Gaza. They are designed to be divisive and terrifying.

No, none, to the best of my knowledge. We're all really fucking scared, to be honest. And many of us are grieving for people we know personally. Thank you for asking x

Stay away from the protests.

and that’s a rather large blanket statement to assume the entire country stands with Israel.

I'm not 'fixated' on the demonstrations. London is my home. I don't feel that it is safe for me to go out here at the moment
(Which was the original question).

It breaks my heart.

And there are LOADS of people who aren't 'horrified by what's happened to both sides'. You're either being disingenuous or you're just not looking. There are a lot of people openly celebrating what's happened to the people in Israel.

Iran and Russia are pretty powerful nations, btw.

P.s. I think you don't understand, at all, how those videos, and your response to them, read to me as a Jewish woman with a daughter, a mother, friends, etc.

There have been murders and rapes of women for being Jewish in the USA, Paris, etc. What this says to me is - if this happens to me or my daughter or my mother, there will be people who will excuse it because 'context' or 'scale' or something, simply because we are Jews.

Try to think for a moment about how that feels. If you can.

Stop spreading fake news!

But that is on both sides of the conflict.

None of what I posted is 'fake news'. Unfortunately.

Yes. Absolute horrendous things done to innocent people. But the 'protests' in London and elsewhere today only objected to one side.

Can we not unite as women to condemn rape and murder of women and terrifyingly children. As a mother I cannot think of any atrocities against particularly children without crying. Can we not stand united against this. I say this as a person who has no organised religion but respect all beliefs.

We are going and it did not occur to me that it might be risky at all. I will not be worried, but then I grew up in Belfast during the troubles, so I never let any kind of terrorist threat put me off.