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Teacher not ready

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Gangreenoh · 04/10/2023 18:34

DS is in year 4 and have been told the teacher will only read with him (hear him read) once or twice this year. Is this the norm? Really disappointed by this!!

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JoinInBetty · 04/10/2023 18:35

TAs and volunteers will listen to them read and report back to the teacher

Gangreenoh · 04/10/2023 18:41

He doesn’t have a ta this year

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Lancrelady80 · 04/10/2023 18:41

Also, I suspect you are talking 1:1 reading. Unless your child has massive needs, in which case volunteers or TAs will be doing the majority of extra reading, KS2 reading is done either in groups (Guided Reading) or more often now as Whole Class Reading sessions. By Y4, most children are relatively fluent so the focus shifts to comprehension, which can be taught in larger groups.

I would love to hear the children read individually but 10 mins per child in a class of 30 equates to 300 mins, or 5 hours, per week. It just can't be done.

Vitriolinsanity · 04/10/2023 18:43

Who were you told this by?

Gangreenoh · 04/10/2023 18:44

It was said in the curriculum meeting at school

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DanceMumTaxi · 04/10/2023 18:44

I don’t think this seems quite right. I’m sure there will be chances for your child to read to their teacher. For example, during guided reading lessons. Reading is done differently in the juniors. It’s not the same as in the infants.

Luxell934 · 04/10/2023 18:44

Why can’t you read with him daily?

YomAsalYomBasal · 04/10/2023 18:46

Normal in Tory Britain. Usually there is the occasional reading volunteer but really you need to do the reading at home.

greyandwindy · 04/10/2023 18:46

I'm a volunteer reader at my sons school and if I didn't do it then the children wouldn't read to an adult.
The year before I volunteered they didn't read to anyone.
I spend one afternoon a week and can do half the class, its time consuming.
The children on a Lower Reading band than the average in the class get extra support in other areas so do reading based activities then too.

The class day is jam packed, there is no time for the teacher to hear everyone read. Maybe you could volunteer?

RTGC · 04/10/2023 18:48

The teachers will hear them read other things, not just books. They’ll have a child read out a question, taking turns reading the class book, lines for plays etc. Much better things to be doing than sitting listening to a child read a book for a huge chunk of time when you consider there’s loads of kids.

If your DC can’t read fluently it might be different, but for an average child I’d say this is fine.

Gangreenoh · 04/10/2023 18:48

I work! Also my son refuses to read to me

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Callyem · 04/10/2023 18:48

Guided Reading will be taught regularly. Reading is HUGE in the curriculum. English lessons will also cross over with many reading opportunities. But hearing children who are meeting age related expectations on a 1:1 basis is not necessary or practical when you have a class of 30.

We hear our bottom 20% at least 3 x per week and teach reading skills (which focus on comprehension rather than decoding) several times per week.

BlueIgIoo · 04/10/2023 18:49

I teach Y4 and don't hear many children read 1:1. We also don't do group guided reading nowadays. I do, however, hear them read constantly when they read aloud from the board, do whole class reading or when they read out questions from a worksheet to me. I also know from the reading comprehensions they complete silently whether they are reading it fluently enough to both understand and get to the end of the questions.

BlueIgIoo · 04/10/2023 18:50

JoinInBetty · 04/10/2023 18:35

TAs and volunteers will listen to them read and report back to the teacher

See my post above about what I do do, but this has never been the norm anywhere I've taught. A general TA is considerably rarer than even 5 years ago.

Totaly · 04/10/2023 18:50

I work! Also my son refuses to read to me

LOL

Callyem · 04/10/2023 18:51

What does 'Teacher not ready' mean though, in the context of your post?

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 04/10/2023 18:51

Y4 seems quite old to be expecting 1:1 reading tbh
By that age I'd be expecting silent reading and answering questions on what they've read

EllaMaeve · 04/10/2023 18:54

I agree with Callyem. In addition, most schools have a checklist of those children that don't read at home and will meet with parents to request support and try and find time for the child to read with another child or, if available another adult.

Budget cuts, by the Tory government ( and inflated wages of Academy trust CEO’s) means far less adults in school. ( and with an ever increasing list of def demands and an increase in the high needs of pupils)

RTGC · 04/10/2023 18:54

Gangreenoh · 04/10/2023 18:48

I work! Also my son refuses to read to me

Most parents work and find time every single day to hear their kids read…

jolaylasofia · 04/10/2023 18:55

in year for id assume he doesn't need to be listened to, they are old enough not to need constant reading supervision

jlpth · 04/10/2023 18:56

In Year 4, neither of my children read to the teacher ever I don't think. They were told to read books and write down which they had read. That's all.

jolaylasofia · 04/10/2023 18:56

year four! damn phone

Pickle2828 · 04/10/2023 18:56

Ex-primary teacher here... Your expectations of what the teacher should be doing are unreasonable.
In KS2 the reading focus shifts away from phonics and fluency and towards comprehension. older children learn to read in their heads, this is encouraged, however they should be fluent reading aloud. Children will have fewer 121 reads with the teacher or other school adult as they progress through primary. By Y4 I would only expect children who are working considerably below age expectation to be read with 121 by teacher or TA on a weekly basis. Perhaps this is different in private but this is certainly the case in many state schools. There are other opportunities in the week to hear children read as PP has said.
Children should be read with at home so this should not be a problem. Parents should also be helping their children to learn to read, not just the teacher!

ShutTheDoorBabe · 04/10/2023 18:56

It's normal. There just isn't the time or the available staff in state primary schools now to hear each individual child read each day.

Some schools have a specific reading time, where all children will read their own book to themselves, and then complete a quiz or review or something, before moving to another book. In this time, if there are no other issues that need to be dealt with, the teacher will hear as many children as possible read, starting with those who need the reading support. In 20 minutes, if you're lucky, you might get to hear 3, maybe 4 children.

There isn't enough funding in schools, at all, and the only way this is going to change is by voting the Tories out.

jlpth · 04/10/2023 18:56

Gangreenoh · 04/10/2023 18:48

I work! Also my son refuses to read to me

Then your bribes are not tempting enough.

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