Page 7 | 20 days annual leave is Dickensian

Palacelife · 2023-10-01T13:56:42+00:00

Most firms now start on 25. I think 20 just smacks of a mean firm and not a place you want to be. AIBU?

coxesorangepippin · 01/10/2023 18:02

Totally agree

We have 2 parental leave days and 5 sick days

So that's 7 extra days

Most people take them

Fabshab · 01/10/2023 18:04

@MehtotheChristmasrunup

valid questions but don’t know why they’re directed at me.

I never said it works for everyone. Merely said the term was self explanatory and it worked for my workplace when asked.

You deal with people ‘sloping off’ the same way you would normally, with a robust disciplinary process.

Yerroblemom1923 · 01/10/2023 18:08

We accrued extra days the longer we were with the company. Also can you take unpaid time off?

Bunnyannesummers · 01/10/2023 18:10

I have 36 plus bank holidays and two weeks off at Christmas. I couldn’t manage on less

wishmyhousetidy · 01/10/2023 18:11

babyproblems · 01/10/2023 17:42

Agree. Slowly the balance is tipping back to people being exploited imo in the UK. Low wages, poor to no regulation and lessening protection for those at work.

Totally agree with this- a rush to the bottom. People saying we are lucky compared to America- again rush to the bottom. People will be working now until late 60’s and to have just 20+ 8 is pretty bad. Most people work because they need to but they are now being exploited in many cases

Certainlyreally · 01/10/2023 18:12

Theeyeballsinthesky · 01/10/2023 14:58

It depends on whether it’s 20 plus bank holidays. I see a lot of firms say 25 days and then you find it includes BH as well

thats illegal though - min MUST be 28 if included

frivlot · 01/10/2023 18:13

move to the public sector, I get 33 plus BHs

Certainlyreally · 01/10/2023 18:14

Justcallmebebes · 01/10/2023 15:29

No it's not at all. Where did you get that from?

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Confidently wrong!
https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights

Entitlement

Almost all people classed as workers are legally entitled to 5.6 weeks’ paid holiday a year (known as statutory leave entitlement or annual leave).
This includes:

agency workers
workers with irregular hours
workers on zero-hours contracts

An employer can include bank holidays as part of statutory annual leave. Coronavirus (COVID-19) does not affect workers’ entitlement to holiday pay and leave, except for carrying over leave. Statutory annual leave entitlementMost workers who work a 5-day week must receive at least 28 days’ paid annual leave a year. This is the equivalent of 5.6 weeks of holiday.

Holiday entitlement

Holiday entitlement or annual leave - information for employers and workers on entitlement, calculating leave, taking leave, accruing leave and disputes

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/calculate-leave-entitlement

frivlot · 01/10/2023 18:14

I took 54 days annual leave last year.

On full pay,? how does the company function of everyone does that?

frivlot · 01/10/2023 18:16

Ask an American how much annual leave they get & you might see it in a different light.

this is a big of myth, many get a good allowance

ilovepixie · 01/10/2023 18:19

Fabshab · 01/10/2023 14:59

YANBU it’s why I chose to work somewhere with unlimited annual leave

Id never work somewhere with 20 plus bank holidays

Like that's normal! Most people don't have this choice!

Streamorwatchlive · 01/10/2023 18:19

I get 33 + bank holidays. I don’t want to move jobs and go back to 25. In fact I wouldn’t go to a company that did that

duvetdayy · 01/10/2023 18:21

Literally why would anyone ever want to work their fingers to the bone? Fuck that. I work hard in term time but honestly I feel really, really bad for people with shit annual leave. The holidays are one of the perks of teaching and if that makes me seem lazy or privileged then that’s fine. I think the annual leave allowance at a lot of jobs is pretty rubbish.

Fabshab · 01/10/2023 18:22

@frivlot

yes on full pay

goodness me so many on here really struggling with modern working practices.

Many take more than I do as well.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 01/10/2023 18:22

Ask someone in Asia. I got 8.

Fabshab · 01/10/2023 18:22

@ilovepixie its quite normal in some sectors

LuluBlakey1 · 01/10/2023 18:24

TheMurderousGoose · 01/10/2023 16:53

look at you including weekends as reasons to be grateful. you were probably a Victorian mill owner in a previous life.

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I think having 36% non-working time can hardly be seen as 'Dickensian' - people (including children) were expected to work 6 days a week, 10-12 hours a day, including Bank Holidays. 36% non-working time is hardly like the conditions in a Victorian mill.

LuluBlakey1 · 01/10/2023 18:26

duvetdayy · 01/10/2023 18:21

Literally why would anyone ever want to work their fingers to the bone? Fuck that. I work hard in term time but honestly I feel really, really bad for people with shit annual leave. The holidays are one of the perks of teaching and if that makes me seem lazy or privileged then that’s fine. I think the annual leave allowance at a lot of jobs is pretty rubbish.

If you are a teacher, you will know you are not paid for the extra holidays, your salary is simply spread out across the year.

SisterMichaelsHabit · 01/10/2023 18:27

Fabshab · 01/10/2023 15:00

@Theeyeballsinthesky

You've most likely never seen a firm do that as it’s illegal

Can confirm my employer does 25 days inc BH and quite a few job ads in my industry are the same. It's not legal. I've joined a union and am challenging it.

SisterMichaelsHabit · 01/10/2023 18:29

tennesseewhiskey1 · 01/10/2023 18:22

Ask someone in Asia. I got 8.

When I was in Asia I got 3+ months a year. It was fantastic. Please don't apply your bad experience to an entire continent, and every employer therein. It's not a monoculture (which I'd expect you to know if you'd lived there).

duvetdayy · 01/10/2023 18:31

LuluBlakey1 · 01/10/2023 18:26

If you are a teacher, you will know you are not paid for the extra holidays, your salary is simply spread out across the year.

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Oh yeah, I know, but it’s still a situation I would prefer.

ActDottie · 01/10/2023 18:34

Agree I get 28 days plus bank holidays, my last employer was 25 days plus bank holidays and I wouldn’t accept a job with less than that.

anniegun · 01/10/2023 18:37

A lot depends on the overall package and individual priorities. A larger salary or family healthcare might be preferable to some, more time for travelling might be preferable for others

ScreamingBeans · 01/10/2023 18:37

YABU because it's not Dickensian, people only got bank holidays in Dickens' day and there weren't that many.

But 20 days is shit. I've never been anywhere less than 25 days plus BH for about 30 years. I get more than this btw.

Saverage · 01/10/2023 18:38

I get unlimited annual leave. I wouldn't apply for a job that only offered 20 days.

In practice with unlimited leave I take about 25-30 days plus bank holidays. The work piles up too much otherwise, but if I had a special reason like a long holiday away, I'd consider taking more days one year.

Some people take a lot more (think most was about 45 days last year) but I know they end up working some weekends and evenings to make up the work. We are not customer facing, so work can be moved around according to when we are free. We are pretty busy, and most of the team are ambitious, so piss taking doesn't really happen.