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Partner cannot put in boundaries

59 replies

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 13:05

Hi all.
My partner, Jake, has got real issues when it comes to his ex partner, Jessie. Jessie and Jake have 2 children together and Jessie has a child from a previous relationship that Jake has been the stepfather to for the last 6 years.
Jake and Jessie initially split up at the end of 2021, and Jake pursued me. We were together for around 6 months but he never told Jessie about this (I never met the kids so nothing was done sneakily behind her back in that sense). I had a few health complications last year that resulted in an unplanned pregnancy that I discovered once myself and Jake had split up. I told Jake of my pregnancy but he had decided he was going back to Jessie to try and make things work for his family. He threw lots of verbal abuse my way, and explicitly told me if I kept my child he could not support me or it. When he said this I accepted what he said at face value and from that point removed him from my life altogether. I kept my baby which was the bestest decision I have ever made. Come Jan of this year Jake withheld his number and called me (as he was blocked on my phone), I had thought it was my GP calling as it happened to be on the day of my babies 8 week jabs. When I answered I was shocked to hear it was Jake, and he explained to me he shouldn’t have ever of gone back to Jessie, how he went back for the wrong reasons and how he just wanted to see his kids every day etc. I believed this and agreed to meet with him. He was then told I had kept my baby and since then he has been in their life too, whilst resuming his relationship with me. Jessie found out about our child instantly and she absolutely lost it - something I have accepted is now very much between him and her, despite Jake trying to tell me it is just as much my fault as to why she lost it - I am aware now I was not the one that left her to be with somebody else.

Anyway fast forward a couple of months and me and Jessie finally spoke. I had not spoken to her before this as she had said a lot about me and my baby being a dirty little secret, reinforcing to me Jake never wanted my child but wanted the ones he had with her, and she constantly told me to leave Jake alone, despite him being the one that came after me and wanted to be with me. When we spoke we had realised that Jake had spun quite a few details to make himself look not as bad. For instance, he told Jessie that he had only slept with me twice and I had gotten pregnant from that. (The reality of that is that we had been sleeping together daily for 6 months). He had also not told her about the issues I had medically that led up to the pregnancy - that of which I have proof of.

It had come to light he had been sleeping with us both since it had come out, and the other one of us was convinced not to talk to eachother until we decided enough was enough. Once confronted Jake broke down and told me she had been manipulating him with seeing his kids, and the only reason he had slept with her is that she had forced him to when he was in her home, threatening if he didn’t she would scream to wake the children up. I didn’t buy this for months, and kept Jake at arms length, just allowing contact time with our child. I eventually listened to his side of it and decided to give it one more go - it may be extremely foolish of me, at this point I am unsure.

So we have tried for the last 2 1/2 months to see if we can work this out. He sees his other children and step child 3-5 days a week. And he sees our child the other 2-4 days a week. He has said Jessie has stopped him from introducing his older children to our baby together, so his time has to be constantly split leading 2 separate lives. He has said to me he and Jessie have agreed to allow the kids to be introduced in Jan of next year. By this point my child will be approaching 15 months old, when she was just around 2 months when this all started happening. I highly doubt the kids will ever meet me or my baby, and have made this clear to Jake due to the amount of time it has already been. He has refused to tell Jessie me and him are together at this point as he is worried she’ll stop him from seeing his kids.

Sorry I am rambling! My point I am getting to is that Jake does drop seeing our baby in order to see the other children and to keep Jessie happy. For instance this week he saw the older children on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. He is meant to have Tuesday evenings and Thursday evenings with our baby, but he now won’t be seeing her for a total of 7 days as he decided to see the older children on her Thursday - something he is sadly not bothered by as he has explained to me the older kids know when he is there vs when he is not. My nearly one year old does not have that awareness yet.

He has also told me he struggles not being with his kids every day which I totally understand. But he overlooks our baby massively because of this. He is going away next year with his older children, and he hasn’t thought to book for me or our baby as he says Jessie will kick off if we are there. He has said that it all goes well in Jan he will add us to the booking. But he will not book to go away with me and our baby as the thought of him not taking his older kids makes him feel sick.

I fear he is only in my baby’s life as it is the socially correct thing in his mind to do. Not because he wants to be any more than he did the day I told him I was pregnant.

Fast forward to this week, my birthday is coming up this month and he has been saying for the last month he was going to tell Jessie he is unable to pick up his kids on that one day (for whatever reason he was going to give her so we are able to celebrate my birthday with our baby). However he forgot and now she has booked in for him to spend the day with his stepchild. He doesn’t recall agreeing to do that with Jessie but she has gone mental at him saying he doesn’t spend any time with his stepchild anymore - even though he does. And has called him out on excluding her .

Jake has since asked me to change my plans the day before my birthday that I already have made so he can see me on that day instead. I have said I cannot change these and he had told me to keep my birthday clear to spend with him.

He will not tell Jessie that he cannot make the day she’s arranged with the stepchild as it is my birthday as in his mind she will go mental about that - as she doesn’t know we are together!

please can someone tell me if I’m being unfair? Thanks xx

OP posts:
trevthecat · 01/10/2023 13:10

The whole situation sounds mental. Wouldn't be surprised if he was still sleeping with her. If not he needs to grow a pair and stop acting like a child

sammylady37 · 01/10/2023 13:11

I decided to give it one more go - it may be extremely foolish of me, at this point I am unsure

really? Is there any part of this shitshow that makes it seem like a good idea?

BennyBlancofromtheBronx · 01/10/2023 13:12

she doesn’t know we are together

That's because you're not.

RoseyRosed · 01/10/2023 13:16

Jesus.

Stop it.

End this toxic madness relationship and move on. Allow child visitation of course.

Swingwhenyourewinning · 01/10/2023 13:17

It sounds like him and Jessie are also still together

AnneLovesGilbert · 01/10/2023 13:18

Is he paying you maintenance?

Unless you want to live a very stressful life not being able to make plans and knowing you’re with someone you can’t trust you’ll dump him. If he wants access to your baby he can go through official channels. Make sure you’re getting whatever money your child is owed.

It’s not clear why you’ve continued seeing the two faced, cheating, sexually incontinent, irresponsible, spineless lying idiot. But you’d be wise to stop. Not ideal your baby has such a useless father but it’s done now. Honestly, you can do so much better. Anyone could.

Fabshab · 01/10/2023 13:20

Boy do I wish Jeremy Kyle was still on to deal with issues like this

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 13:21

Thanks so far for the super quick replies. They were what I was expecting to an extent.
is everybody on the same page that they are still either a. Together or b. Overly involved in aspects of eachothers lives that the really shouldn’t be?

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Thesearmsofmine · 01/10/2023 13:23

You are his bit on the side. You have been a fool.

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 13:24

What are the correct channels for him to use? He does pay maintenance thankfully.
he is not on the birth certificate due to how he was about the baby when I was pregnant and bub has my surname.

If I could cleanly cut all ties I would

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Bootskates · 01/10/2023 13:26

When we spoke we had realised that Jake had spun quite a few details to make himself look not as bad.

^ this here should have been the end. You and the ex got together and realised he had been bullshitting you both. This is where you both could have broken things off with him and just made access arrangements for the children. Instead you both carried on shagging him.

If you want my advice, break things off, disengage from all the Jessie drama and just make plans for him to see the baby. Use a trusted friend or relative for handovers if need be.

AnnaMagnani · 01/10/2023 13:27

Jake is a shit.

You and Jessie should compare notes, discover how much he has lied to both of you and both dump him.

SummerInSun · 01/10/2023 13:30

If this is a genuine post (and it's so crazy I have my doubts!) then the situation is really simple. Jake is lying about Jessie to you. Jake is lying to you about Jessie. He's got you thinking Jessie is crazy and manipulative. He almost certainly has Jessie thinking you are crazy and manipulative. And he'll happy ditch both of you for someone you get without kids as soon as he gets the chance.

As all PP have said, ditch him, other than allowing appropriate visitation. It's beyond me what you or Jessie can see in a proven liar, philanderer and basics dickhead...

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 13:34

Post is most sadly completely genuine I’m afraid.

There are more crazy details than what’s written in here - believe me! But this is the basics of it.

I have felt for some time this is fundamentally how it is not supposed to be. But have always been told by Jake this is what it is like being with a man that has kids from a previous relationship.

I can see from all your reactions this is actually not the case and this is not healthy.

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Ariellax · 01/10/2023 13:40

In regards to why I have still given it another shot. I did believe I can get a lovely person that will love both my and my child wholeheartedly. However Jake has said that men do not have any interest in women that have kids, and that I am lucky he came back as otherwise I would have just been used for sex and that nobody would have any real interest in me or my child.

it might seem silly, but I done my whole pregnancy and birth alone and got the most wonderful thing from it. I wouldn’t want anyone in mine or my child’s life that has intentions to hurt her.

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RoseyRosed · 01/10/2023 13:41

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 13:21

Thanks so far for the super quick replies. They were what I was expecting to an extent.
is everybody on the same page that they are still either a. Together or b. Overly involved in aspects of eachothers lives that the really shouldn’t be?

Of course he's still sleeping with her.

He's lying to both of you, which you already know.

I have no idea why you gave it another go once you had concrete evidence he is a liar.

Would you want your child to be in a relationship like this once they're older? Or would you want them to be happy, secure, in a respectful and healthy relationship?

nutbrownhare15 · 01/10/2023 13:42

He won't change and he won't stop seeing his ex who probably he is currently sleeping with. It's already clear you and your child are second best and always will be. Dump him, cut all communication that isn't about visitation and ensure that he is paying you everything you are entitled to maintenance. Imagine what life could be like without all this drama.

BIossomtoes · 01/10/2023 13:44

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 13:24

What are the correct channels for him to use? He does pay maintenance thankfully.
he is not on the birth certificate due to how he was about the baby when I was pregnant and bub has my surname.

If I could cleanly cut all ties I would

You can. Kick him into touch, block him and pretend he doesn’t exist.

RoseyRosed · 01/10/2023 13:44

Jake has said that men do not have any interest in women that have kids, and that I am lucky he came back as otherwise I would have just been used for sex and that nobody would have any real interest in me or my child.

He's controlling and manipulative.

No decent guy would dream of saying anything like that to a partner, because its not true and its a disgusting thing to say.

Come on OP, he's a nasty piece of work.

Drop him. You're definitely strong enough to cope alone - it sounds like you were flourishing before the piece of shit came crawling back.

Wishitsnows · 01/10/2023 13:45

Raise your bar you are worth more than this waste of space man

OrigamiOwl · 01/10/2023 13:47

Jake has lied to both of you, cheated on both of you, convinced you that no other man would want you now you have a child...

Cut ties. You're not in a relationship. He's playing both of you off against each other. He doesn't care about your feelings, stop caring about his. Stop doing the pick me dance.

Sparklesocks · 01/10/2023 13:54

He’s been playing you two off against each other for as long as you’ve known him, both telling you what you want to hear to serve his own needs. You deserve more than a timeshare partner. End it for your sake and your child’s.

Grumpy101 · 01/10/2023 14:03

You did the whole pregnancy and birth alone. You are very strong but also vulnerable, he's the baby's dad so I can see why he was able to manipulate you. I think don't be too hard on yourself, remember how great you and the baby were when it was just the two of you and break it off with him.

If you keep going with him, he will destroy your self esteem and he will play with your poor baby's mind who will eventually realize she is second best to her siblings.

Save yourself years of heartache. He's not good enough for you.

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 14:10

Jake is a prick. Do not engage with Jake. Go through the courts.

Engage with Jesse. Only to keep her informed of the legal position and practicalities over the kids. Do not engage over Jake and what he has said or done.

Cos Jake is a prick and Jake lies to you both, and you both need to wake up over this and him constantly playing the pair of you off against each other.

Ultimately if Jesse wants to shack up with this loser, thats up to her. He'll continue to be a prick. Which is why you only engage with her over the legalities and practicalities - not the he said / she said drama making.

YOU choose how you deal with the drama in this scenario. If you choose to behave like a 5 year old playing the he said / she said game, you only have yourself to blame.

Grey rock aloof time.

SaltedCaramelIcedLatte · 01/10/2023 14:20

This man is a waste of space. End this toxic situation for the sake of your child.

You are worth more than this!