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Partner cannot put in boundaries

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Ariellax · 01/10/2023 13:05

Hi all.
My partner, Jake, has got real issues when it comes to his ex partner, Jessie. Jessie and Jake have 2 children together and Jessie has a child from a previous relationship that Jake has been the stepfather to for the last 6 years.
Jake and Jessie initially split up at the end of 2021, and Jake pursued me. We were together for around 6 months but he never told Jessie about this (I never met the kids so nothing was done sneakily behind her back in that sense). I had a few health complications last year that resulted in an unplanned pregnancy that I discovered once myself and Jake had split up. I told Jake of my pregnancy but he had decided he was going back to Jessie to try and make things work for his family. He threw lots of verbal abuse my way, and explicitly told me if I kept my child he could not support me or it. When he said this I accepted what he said at face value and from that point removed him from my life altogether. I kept my baby which was the bestest decision I have ever made. Come Jan of this year Jake withheld his number and called me (as he was blocked on my phone), I had thought it was my GP calling as it happened to be on the day of my babies 8 week jabs. When I answered I was shocked to hear it was Jake, and he explained to me he shouldn’t have ever of gone back to Jessie, how he went back for the wrong reasons and how he just wanted to see his kids every day etc. I believed this and agreed to meet with him. He was then told I had kept my baby and since then he has been in their life too, whilst resuming his relationship with me. Jessie found out about our child instantly and she absolutely lost it - something I have accepted is now very much between him and her, despite Jake trying to tell me it is just as much my fault as to why she lost it - I am aware now I was not the one that left her to be with somebody else.

Anyway fast forward a couple of months and me and Jessie finally spoke. I had not spoken to her before this as she had said a lot about me and my baby being a dirty little secret, reinforcing to me Jake never wanted my child but wanted the ones he had with her, and she constantly told me to leave Jake alone, despite him being the one that came after me and wanted to be with me. When we spoke we had realised that Jake had spun quite a few details to make himself look not as bad. For instance, he told Jessie that he had only slept with me twice and I had gotten pregnant from that. (The reality of that is that we had been sleeping together daily for 6 months). He had also not told her about the issues I had medically that led up to the pregnancy - that of which I have proof of.

It had come to light he had been sleeping with us both since it had come out, and the other one of us was convinced not to talk to eachother until we decided enough was enough. Once confronted Jake broke down and told me she had been manipulating him with seeing his kids, and the only reason he had slept with her is that she had forced him to when he was in her home, threatening if he didn’t she would scream to wake the children up. I didn’t buy this for months, and kept Jake at arms length, just allowing contact time with our child. I eventually listened to his side of it and decided to give it one more go - it may be extremely foolish of me, at this point I am unsure.

So we have tried for the last 2 1/2 months to see if we can work this out. He sees his other children and step child 3-5 days a week. And he sees our child the other 2-4 days a week. He has said Jessie has stopped him from introducing his older children to our baby together, so his time has to be constantly split leading 2 separate lives. He has said to me he and Jessie have agreed to allow the kids to be introduced in Jan of next year. By this point my child will be approaching 15 months old, when she was just around 2 months when this all started happening. I highly doubt the kids will ever meet me or my baby, and have made this clear to Jake due to the amount of time it has already been. He has refused to tell Jessie me and him are together at this point as he is worried she’ll stop him from seeing his kids.

Sorry I am rambling! My point I am getting to is that Jake does drop seeing our baby in order to see the other children and to keep Jessie happy. For instance this week he saw the older children on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. He is meant to have Tuesday evenings and Thursday evenings with our baby, but he now won’t be seeing her for a total of 7 days as he decided to see the older children on her Thursday - something he is sadly not bothered by as he has explained to me the older kids know when he is there vs when he is not. My nearly one year old does not have that awareness yet.

He has also told me he struggles not being with his kids every day which I totally understand. But he overlooks our baby massively because of this. He is going away next year with his older children, and he hasn’t thought to book for me or our baby as he says Jessie will kick off if we are there. He has said that it all goes well in Jan he will add us to the booking. But he will not book to go away with me and our baby as the thought of him not taking his older kids makes him feel sick.

I fear he is only in my baby’s life as it is the socially correct thing in his mind to do. Not because he wants to be any more than he did the day I told him I was pregnant.

Fast forward to this week, my birthday is coming up this month and he has been saying for the last month he was going to tell Jessie he is unable to pick up his kids on that one day (for whatever reason he was going to give her so we are able to celebrate my birthday with our baby). However he forgot and now she has booked in for him to spend the day with his stepchild. He doesn’t recall agreeing to do that with Jessie but she has gone mental at him saying he doesn’t spend any time with his stepchild anymore - even though he does. And has called him out on excluding her .

Jake has since asked me to change my plans the day before my birthday that I already have made so he can see me on that day instead. I have said I cannot change these and he had told me to keep my birthday clear to spend with him.

He will not tell Jessie that he cannot make the day she’s arranged with the stepchild as it is my birthday as in his mind she will go mental about that - as she doesn’t know we are together!

please can someone tell me if I’m being unfair? Thanks xx

OP posts:
StrawberryPavlova · 01/10/2023 14:29

So he:

  • threw a heap of verbal abuse your way and told you to abort the baby
  • insists no other man would want you just because you have a child and you should be grateful he came back
  • expects you to accept whatever crumbs of his time he gives you and your child and be thankful

and you think this is a relationship worth pursuing?

Nah, time to chuck this one back in the sea back to Jessie and move on OP. You are all your child needs, not this deadbeat dad.

Jellycatspyjamas · 01/10/2023 14:29

With respect, it’s not your partner who needs to establish some boundaries. He left you when pregnant, lied to you consistently and is running two relationships at once - where the hell are your boundaries?

trackerc · 01/10/2023 14:34

Just have a think as to why you you believe the word of a known, persistent & caught out liar. What other evidence do you have that 'all men feel these things'? Do you know ppl with healthy parenting & coparenting relationships & connections? I know heaps.
You continue to listen & believe whatever he says like he's some authority. Have you evidence (other than him saying so) that children can't meet? He's the parent here. It's incredibly convenient. What's the quality of his parenting of your child? What does he do (without your supervision)? Does 'seeing each other' equate to sex, shelter, getting his meals? Or are you meeting his friends, family, dates?
Sorry but my instinct is that he doesn't care about you. He cares how he lives his life - with spinning plates & throwing you scraps. Because you accept them.
Please prioritise & look after you & your child.

Mrsttcno1 · 01/10/2023 14:46

OP you say that you “wouldn’t want anyone in mine or my child’s life that has intentions to hurt her”, can’t you see that is exactly what he is doing?

He’s still with his life partner and family, and is just stringing you and your baby along on the side. From what you have said here, he doesn’t actually see you and your baby as his family at all, you’re just a box he has to tick in his week. He spends the majority of his time with his family, that’s where he wants to be, and even on your birthday he isn’t able to put you first. By allowing this to continue you are allowing your daughter to be a second class citizen in his life and I don’t know why you would allow that.

You know from your previous conversation with her that he embellishes the truth and lies, open your eyes to that and leave him behind.

Callyem · 01/10/2023 14:50

Jake is having his cake and eating it.

Waspie · 01/10/2023 14:53

Jake sounds like a manipulative arsehole. Please dump him. You (and your baby) will be much better off without him cluttering up your lives. You did the pregnancy without him and you can do this stage of your life without him too.

Go to CMS for maintenance.

widowtwankywashroom · 01/10/2023 14:55

You've picked a winner here OP haven't you?

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 01/10/2023 15:11

Your title is Partner cannot put in boundaries.
I mean this kindly:
A. He is not your partner, he's Jessie's partner, he's proved that over and over again by putting her first and you a very poor second.
B. He isn't the one that cannot put in boundaries, that's you.
Leave this whole shit show in the dust before your dbaby is old enough to understand the pecking order and where she stands in that line, like behind Jessie, behind Jessie's DC and even behind her dad's stepchild.
Save yourself and your DC from this complete crazy set up.
Jake can have a relationship with your DC if he wants one ( I doubt he does).
Get yourself a serious dose of self respect, leave the lot of them to it.
Sounds like you'd cope just fine alone

Nicole1111 · 01/10/2023 15:14

Given his previous dishonesty I have no doubt he’s lying to you but even if they aren’t together in that way their relationship is toxic and he will never treat your child equally which is so so sad. As for you, please don’t be someone’s option when you can be someone’s priority.

CeciNestPasUnPipi · 01/10/2023 15:16

Your subject line is pure projection. Work out why you have chosen a man who is both a horrendous partner and father. Therapy can help you with this.

StripeyDeckchair · 01/10/2023 15:18

Hes still with her, you're his bit on the side & he will never leave her for you.

Dump him & move on.
Claim for financial support via CMS

trevthecat · 01/10/2023 15:24

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 01/10/2023 15:11

Your title is Partner cannot put in boundaries.
I mean this kindly:
A. He is not your partner, he's Jessie's partner, he's proved that over and over again by putting her first and you a very poor second.
B. He isn't the one that cannot put in boundaries, that's you.
Leave this whole shit show in the dust before your dbaby is old enough to understand the pecking order and where she stands in that line, like behind Jessie, behind Jessie's DC and even behind her dad's stepchild.
Save yourself and your DC from this complete crazy set up.
Jake can have a relationship with your DC if he wants one ( I doubt he does).
Get yourself a serious dose of self respect, leave the lot of them to it.
Sounds like you'd cope just fine alone

This, with bells on.

GalaApples · 01/10/2023 15:34

You are stronger than you think OP, and you really do not need this unpleasant total waster in your life or your child's. What in heck were you talking about, to do with going on holiday with them? (One question out of many). Another question - when you say he is "seeing" his various DC and step-DC, do you mean he is actually actively parenting them, or is it just dossing around in the home of their mother? (You or Jessie), probably eating and drinking and taking up space on their sofas while on his phone?
itsgoingtobeabumpyride and all the others are right. Get rid, block and forget. Work on your self esteem and hope for better relationships in future. You are worth so much more than this manipulative and cowardly creep. Flowers

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 16:49

Hi all

I’d like to give an honest thank you to each and every single one of you.

You have all allowed me to re-evaluate this from a completely different perspective. I have realised indeed I have had no boundaries in place, and whenever I have tried to instil them I am gaslit, and manipulated into thinking the issue isn’t him.

I have told him today to leave me alone and our child too simultaneously until he is ready to give us undisturbed, real time and balance what he is doing for Jessie and the other children. I told him that we do not expect to see him. His response was for me to do whatever I needed to do, and that my comments to him were ‘just what he needed’ - trying to guilt me no doubt into seeing it as he is the victim.

Through you all I have been able to get a glimmer of who I was before he came back into our lives. A strong mama who put her baby first, if I found the strength to do that whilst growing my baby, I sure as hell will find it now she is here.

He has been blocked on all forms of contact. If he wants to make time for our child I will not stop that, but I am not going to sit around waiting for it to magically happen as I have been.

My question I pose to you all now is, do I wait around on his normal ‘set days’ to see our baby to see if he turns up? Or do I live my life on those days too until he makes some proper plans to see her?

Thank you all - here’s to the first step of regaining my strength and confidence in doing the best for both me and my child xx

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 16:58

My question I pose to you all now is, do I wait around on his normal ‘set days’ to see our baby to see if he turns up? Or do I live my life on those days too until he makes some proper plans to see her?

See if he turns up for the next one. If he does, say you want a formal agreement.

Just go legal.

If he doesn't turn up, then live your life and go legal to get money.

Just generally make it formal and go legal. Cos it will save you a bellyfull of the bullshit.

1FootInTheRave · 01/10/2023 17:02

Get some self respect fgs.

nutbrownhare15 · 01/10/2023 17:04

Live your life. It sounds like he will be a super flakey dad always trying to sleep with you at the same time, if he steps up and arranges regular contact fine but I'd say it's unlikely.

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 17:09

Thank you for commenting and if I saw this as well I’d have a very similar opinion. If you see my comment before this one I have found that self respect and am taking the next steps into fixing this for me and my child.
I am sorry I am just uncertain on what to do now and found comfort and help from the comments on this post. The first time I cut him out it was cut and dry done. This time is more complicated due to a child having contact with their dad. Please be kind. I am trying to better this situation for me and my child xx

OP posts:
Pumpkinpie1 · 01/10/2023 17:11

Why are you allowing your self to be manipulated by this immoral pathological liar

olivechuu · 01/10/2023 17:21

If it’s not obvious to you at this point that he’s a complete waste of flesh and electricity then it’s likely never going to sink in. Get rid of him, don’t let him treat your child the same way he treats you.

LittleOwl153 · 01/10/2023 17:24

Would you be happy to let him take the child out alone - or does he not know her / care for her well enough for that? If he does I'd give him 1hour on those two evenings. If not I'd find him a supervisor -not you - and offer availability with them.

Beyond that I'd make sure your maintenance is right by contacting the customer as he's almost certainly fobbed on you off with less than your child is entitled to and that way the cms can keep it monitored too as I expect he will disappear from your child's life and stop paying pretty soon.

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 17:26

Whenever he has had her by himself he has called me multiple times to ask / tell me things. On the rare occasions he gives her a bottle or puts her to bed he doesn’t like it if I have a shower or start to do something else as he likes to have me nearby, it’s almost as if he’s scared to do it alone xx

OP posts:
MargotBamborough · 01/10/2023 17:29

I think Jake needs to tie a knot in it. What a prince among men.

Ariellax · 01/10/2023 17:33

I do often get blamed too about this whole thing. He says it was me who decided to keep her and he wouldn’t have to split his time if I didn’t, he’d spend all his free time with his other children etc. I do say to him it was his choice to come back after me and I gave him the option to be in or out of her life. His answer to this is that he wouldn’t be able to have a child and not know them and that he isn’t a scumbag. He still thinks it was insane of me to this day keeping my child and not involving him, despite him making it clear he didn’t want to be involved.

OP posts:
jannier · 01/10/2023 17:36

He's proved himself a lying scum bag why do you keep swallowing it?

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