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MIL refuses to stick to bedtimes

41 replies

Nogoldenrulebook · 30/09/2023 22:25

A bit of background info..
I have 2 DC, I work for the NHS, OH works away for weeks at a time with no set rotation. Due to a family friendly work policy, I have a set 12.5 hour Monday night shift a week so that I can make sure I have childcare when OH is away, as he sometimes leaves with 1 days notice.

Anyway, my MIL has my children overnight while I work - this was the least disruptive option for her and my children, considering the start/finish times of my shifts. She has done this for years, and has always ignored my rules - "I was a mum first... I've done my time of listening to other people's rules... I make my own rules" etc. She always wants to be the saviour/fun adult. An example, during mealtimes, if my children don't want to eat their dinner, but I am attempting a negotiation with them, she will plonk a plate of toast down in front of them and swipe their dinner away, without even a word to me. Very annoying, I have bitten my tongue many times to save arguments. She also used to put DS to bed around 10pm at just 2years old when she had him before DD came along. She would completely ignore any routine I had, and it would make it tough the other nights when I was on my own. Fastforward a few years, he is now 4½ and in full time school, but she still puts him in bed at 9pm regardless of how many times I explain that he needs to be asleep by 7:30pm (DD goes to bed at the same time, but at least she naps in the day). He then can't catch up on his sleep for days, and is a total nightmare because he is overtired from 5pm every day, which is really tough when I'm alone for weeks at a time. I have tried, OH says he has also tried, to explain the importance of him getting an early night but she just doesn't listen, and will often roll her eyes at me. Last week, she took them out for a walk and didn't get home until 7pm, then put them in the bath, then took them back downstairs for a toast picnic on the sofa while they watched a 30 minute TV programme, before finally taking them up to bed for a story. Problem is, I need her! Without her, I will struggle with childcare for such long hours, and she knows it. But my son is suffering, and sooner or later his schooling will suffer too. But I don't know how I can do anything more, when I'm not physically in the house and I've been trying for years to get her to respect the most basic of parenting rules I ask of her. Sticking to bedtime routine - bath, story, asleep by 7:30pm, and once they're upstairs for the night, they don't go back down, is all I ask. AIBU as she's doing me a favour? Are my rules really asking too much?

If you've made it this far through my ramble, thank you!

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NewPinkJacket · 30/09/2023 22:28

Anyway, my MIL has my children overnight while I work - this was the least disruptive option for her and my children

No, the least disruptive option for her would be to not have them at all.

The kids are with gran, they know that gran does things differently.

Leave her be, she's doing things her way because they suit her, just like you do things your way to suit you.

OhcantthInkofaname · 30/09/2023 22:31

NewPinkJacket · 30/09/2023 22:28

Anyway, my MIL has my children overnight while I work - this was the least disruptive option for her and my children

No, the least disruptive option for her would be to not have them at all.

The kids are with gran, they know that gran does things differently.

Leave her be, she's doing things her way because they suit her, just like you do things your way to suit you.

Yep I can see this is a non-parent here.

Hellenicnim · 30/09/2023 22:32

Your rules are clearly reasonable but you're being unreasonable to yourself to expect her to change when she's made it clear she won't. This is the true cost of this free childcare, knowing she's going to do what she likes.

jannier · 30/09/2023 22:32

Can you look at changing days to a Friday night?

Wolfiefan · 30/09/2023 22:33

It’s not the least disruptive for your kids if they are overtired and sleep deprived. If she won’t change then find a different alternative.

Woush · 30/09/2023 22:34

If a 7.30pm bedtime was meaning kid was up at 6am, I would also move it to 9pm.

AnneLovesGilbert · 30/09/2023 22:34

What can you do? You’ve asked her, for years, your DH has asked her, she won’t change because she doesn’t want to. If you need her help you’ll have to tolerate her unhelpful decisions. If you can’t find an alternative that’s what I’d do.

Universalsnail · 30/09/2023 22:34

I think you just have to lump it tbh. You need her to have them and you are lucky she can have them.

I think it's not a huge deal for a child to have a lateish night once a week and i hear you that he is getting very tired the next day now but I think he'll get used to it, I don't think his schooling will suffer, I personally would just compensate by making sure he gets a nice early night in the Sunday and the Tuesday each week.

OhcantthInkofaname · 30/09/2023 22:35

Can you try to get other childcare? Your children are being harmed.
The next time she removes her children's dinner take it away from her and remove the toast. Tell her you are the parent she had her chance and your children need to be raised according to your standards.

caban · 30/09/2023 22:35

You need her for childcare so you need to back off and let her do things her own way. You don't get to call the shots here.

One late night a week doesn't cause this much drama, it sounds like you are catastrophising a bit. Put him to bed at 6.30pm the following night if he's tired.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/09/2023 22:35

Surely it's your husband that should be having a very firm serious word with her why is this your problem

Nogoldenrulebook · 30/09/2023 22:35

When discussing my return to work, I looked at other options, and she was offended that I didn't ask her to have them, so we sat down and worked out that this would work best for her.

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Wolfiefan · 30/09/2023 22:36

Why were you discussing your return to work with MIL? You and OH work out what works for you and the kids!

SkaneTos · 30/09/2023 22:39

Can you hire a nanny instead?

Heronwatcher · 30/09/2023 22:39

If you’ve both spoken to her she’s not going to change. You have to work out whether the favour she’s doing for you is worth it.

You either need to find a different job or make it work with her. I don’t think 9pm is ridiculous at that age and I don’t think it should be causing days of bad behaviour. Could he not just get a few early nights over the next couple of days?

TheShellBeach · 30/09/2023 22:39

That would drive me mad.
Can you pay someone to stay and sleep overnight at your house with the children?

Sandrine1982 · 30/09/2023 22:41

God some people don't understand. If my DD (4years old) isn't in bed by 8pm, she won't get up for school. As in, she won't get up ... no matter what.

Mischance · 30/09/2023 22:42

It is a shame that your MIL is so openly and unashamedly determined to ignore your rules or to lay any heed to your wishes. As a GM myself I know that things do happen slightly differently when the GC are with me; but I try very hard to ensure that basic rules about diet, bedtime, TV and screen time etc. are absolutely adhered to. My DDs will sometimes say "This is what we do and what I would like, but if it is easier for you to adapt it a bit, then that is fine."

I find your MIL's approach seriously disrespectful. I do not always agree with the rules (although on the whole they seem reasonable to me), but I stick to them as they are not my children. so not my decision. But to openly defy you over your requests is not acceptable at all.

I actually believe it is not harmful for children to see that different people do things differently - but ignoring a clear request is just plain rude.

I am sure that you have looked into every other child care alternative, but it may be time to pursue some other options. MIL has got you over a barrel and she knows it and it is quite unpleasant that she relishes this and does as she pleases.

I would be seriously pissed off by the disrespect.

TheLightProgramme · 30/09/2023 22:42

If a 7.30pm bedtime was meaning kid was up at 6am, I would also move it to 9pm.

Ha, yeah, because that works Hmm

honestly op? My son would struggle badly with this and i wouldn't continue using her for childcare for that reason.

Nogoldenrulebook · 30/09/2023 22:43

She assumed I wouldn't be going back (she didn't work when she had young children) so when I said I was, and the options I'd considered that didn't involve inconveniencing her, she was upset. As her having them seemed like the best option at the time, I spoke with work who outlined which shifts were available and I presented them to her to pick from. I am aware she is doing me a huge favour by having them, so was happy to fit in around her.

Also, he sleeps in until 7am. He has only been going for 3 weeks, so it's a massive adjustment for him still.

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TheLightProgramme · 30/09/2023 22:45

I don’t think 9pm is ridiculous at that age and I don’t think it should be causing days of bad behaviour.

For a 4.5 yr old just starting reception? Are you kidding me? They can need to go to bed as early as 6.30pm. The ones kept up this late often fall asleep in school.

Divebar2021 · 30/09/2023 22:45

You or your OH need to get a new job then I guess. She’s had 1 and then 2 children overnight for YEARs and you know very well that paying for that kind of cover would have cost you thousands of pounds. She isnt
going to change apparently so you’re going to need to change at your end.

hedgehoglurker · 30/09/2023 22:48

"Last week, she took them out for a walk and didn't get home until 7pm, then put them in the bath, then took them back downstairs for a toast picnic on the sofa while they watched a 30 minute TV programme, before finally taking them up to bed for a story. "

How do you know this? If you were home, why was she in charge of their evening and bedtime?

Conkersinautumn · 30/09/2023 22:48

It sounds as though this solution has run its course. 'Fun' granny is obviously not suited to a routine and should be dialled back to emergencies only. Time to find reliable care that is supportive of your children's health and needs for sleep

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 30/09/2023 22:49

I would sit her down and say that this arrangement isn't working fir you. That due to the differences in thought you are going to use formal childcare/reduce your hours/ whatever else.

She then has the choice to bow out or conform.

But you need to either accept you're powerless or source other childcare.

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