To think vaping should be banned

[Viviennemary]

I've just been watching the BBC 10 o'clock news. Lead story the rise in young people addicted to vaping. Rise in severe stomach pains and lung problems in young folk caused by vaping. Those horrid vaping shops are springing up everywhere. They are a curse as is tobacco. Its really worrying.

It's a double edged sword

I'm a very light smoker , like 2 a day and I tied to switch to vapes but I found I was vaping way more than when I smoked

To smoke a cig I need to be arsed to stand outside. I was vaping in my bedroom . So I stopped .

I vape and I actually agree with you. I hope they do ban it as it will kick my ass into quitting (I know I should just quit but its hard with temptation everywhere).

They really need to look at the marketing of vapes as they are clearly marketing to children with their colours/flavours etc. just like sweets. It’s disgusting that we have allowed so many young people to get dragged into vaping. I can’t understand it as a lesser evil for people giving up making, but many people now are going straight to vaping without having ever smoked. It’s not being used as a replacement by many but is the first thing they use.

Vaping can't be banned before smoking, that's Illogical as smoking is worse.

But the disposable vapes should be banned and very tough penalties for selling to kids.

YANBU

What I can't stand is they're blatantly marketing them to children to get hen hooked young.

I'd happily see all cheap disposable ones banned, along with anything that remotely appeals to children.

Keep the more expensive refillable ones in a limited range of flavours, or none, for adults using it as a cigarette replacement.

Some towns seem to have so many vape shops I find myself wondering what they're a front for. There can't be that much legitimate passing trade for towns to have multiple vape shops within close walking distance.

YABU! No vaping shouldn't be banned. It's helped millions of people give up traditional cigarettes over the years, myself included.

Also, if you look at the subject properly, you will find that vape shops like Totally Wicked, who are the founding fathers of vaping in this country, on their website and shops carry toxin free vape tested reports.

What I will agree on is that disposables should be banned. There are bad on the eco side. The other stuff that should be banned is the pound/cheap shops selling vape for a pound a bottle. It's full of chemicals.

Go to a proper vape shop. In my city where I live, the Totally Wicked shop staff are all NICE standard trained for the Stop Smoking Clinics, run by the NHS. The certificates hang in the shop. Any new staff there must go through training.

NICE (NHS) guidelines advocate vaping as 95% safe. The 5% not given is for the unknown long term.

The next argument that gets brought up is that they blow up. They catch fire and so on.

No, they don't if they are treated in their correct manner. Just like anything like a mobile phone, there are guidelines to follow.

Sensationalised stories such as them catching fire don't tell about the person who slept with it under their pillow or tried to double the battery up for a longer life, for example.

Then, there are those who don't use the correct chargers or/and store them incorrectly. I could go on, but you get the message.

I've been stopped smoking 12 years because of evape. Yes, I still use my vape, though not as much as I used to. It's more of a hand hold habit.

The nicotine is down to 0.03% in it, so it's so limited that it's neglible. I keep it cos I don't want to go back to traditional cigarettes again. I don't use flavours. I can't personally see the point. I never wanted to smoke a strawberry I.E.

Vaping isn't harmful to others unless you're allergic to steam. Simply vaping is a heated liquid in the tank that releases like steam.

Yes, it's a nightmare if someone is exhaling clouds of it. I never have nor ever will use it like that.

For the majority of us, it's got us off a horrible foul habit, so yes, YABU, in some ways.

I see the point where young people are concerned. However, that's down to dodgy shopkeepers and people getting or selling them to minors.

Simply this

With prescription only or highly priced, non disposable vapes only

Can't understand why not

Imcidently, for those who don't know, it's the nicotine in traditional cigarettes that is addictive. Nicotine is not dangerous. Just addictive.

The toxins in traditional cigarettes are not addictive. However, it is the toxins in cigarettes that cause health issues.

The U.K. is fairly well regulated with vaping, unlike countries like the U.S. There is always more that can be done

This is not the gaping that most of us was thinking of😂😂 I love your innocence though!

Actually no I don't think it should be banned. We know teens start smoking and we also know vaping is safer than smoking, therefore it's better for them to vape behind mums back than smoke.

What would be better is promotion of zero nicotine liquids so they are never addicted to it, therefore when they want to stop it's a lot easier. You could even go along the lines of 16 to purchase zero rated liquids (with no punishment for underage sales) and 21 to purchase nicotine but significant fines for underage sales.

Completely agree

Most of my family & friends vape. I think it is vile!

I have asthma and when they vape around me I honestly feel like I can’t breathe and it takes days to feel normal again.

My understanding is vapes are not the main business of vape shops.

So us older vapers who can't afford cigarettes anymore can't even enjoy flavours that weren't available to us before, using a refillable pod system? For a tiny fraction of the price of cigarettes? Whack the vaping age up to 21 if they're so concerned.

Why take away the flavours for the refillables? Tarnish the older people with the teens brush?

YABU. Vaping got me off the ciggies for good. I'd possibly entertain a ban on disposables for environmental reasons but if we're going to start banning things purely for the sake of the children then alcohol needs to be the first thing to go

Actually no I don't think it should be banned. We know teens start smoking and we also know vaping is safer than smoking, therefore it's better for them to vape behind mums back than smoke.
If I remember correctly smoking rates in teens was on a steady decline before vapes were introduced. The number of children vaping is much higher than were previously smoking.

Declining yes but it was never going to be zero. Vapes have the potential to push it down even further. To be fair you could make traditional cigs totally illegal to force everyone who wants to smoke onto vapes including current adults

The majority of teens do it. Dd2 14 is in the “cool” group and doesn’t (confirmed by my spies) but we had a long chat about it last night she says it’s hard as she is left sitting alone when they sneak off to do it. It is frighteningly widespread. Dd2 now says it’s her thing she’s known as “the one that doesn’t vape” 🙄

I would ban them just plain medical ones to help adults quit smoking,

Declining yes but it was never going to be zero. Vapes have the potential to push it down even further. To be fair you could make traditional cigs totally illegal to force everyone who wants to smoke onto vapes including current adults
Of course it's not going to be zero, but based on the graphs I saw the trend for teen smoking declining hasn't got any steeper since vapes were introduced.

The introduction of teen vaping doesn't total up to the number of teens who previously smoked cigarettes. That's the point. The number of teens vaping is substantially higher than the much smaller number of teens who smoked, which was already steadily declining over many years. That's more teens engaging in a harmful activity.

The issue isn't what adults do here. It's that vape retailers and manufacturers are deliberately designing addictive products with unknown health consequences long term to appeal to preteens and teens.

YABU. Teens will break rules and push boundaries and I'd be way more worried about drugs or alcohol.

I'd be ok with a ban on the disposable version but I know so many people who kicked the cigs by vaping.

Vaping was originally marketed as a safer alternative to smoking traditional cigarettes, as it does not produce smoke or ash. However, research has shown that vaping can have negative health effects, and it has been linked to lung injury and other respiratory issues.20 Jan 2023

Imcidently, for those who don't know, it's the nicotine in traditional cigarettes that is addictive. Nicotine is not dangerous. Just addictive.

Of course nicotine is dangerous

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/

Public Health England say vaping is 97% safer than smoking so no. Plus banning vaping while cigarettes are legal is really stupid.

I just read an article in The Australian quoting recent research findings from The University of Michigan that vaping is proving to be worse than smoking.

'Professor Purnima Kumar, the principal investigator of the Oral Microbial Ecology Laboratory at the University of Michigan, told the World Dental Congress in Sydney that there were worrying signs vaping could be more damaging than smoking. “We know from smoking … that there are specific changes that happen in the mouth, cellular changes at the molecular level, that are huge predictors of future disease,” she said. “We are seeing those markers of harm … show up in vapers within six months of vaping.”

Lots of things that shouldn't be marketed at kids/teens are. Not just disposable vapes. Think alcopops, energy drinks etc. Doesn't mean everything should be banned. Marketing laws need to be stricter and sales of products to those under 18 should be tackled and come with hefty consequences.

I also disagree with the people saying they should be flavourless - why? Plenty of adults, myself included, enjoy the flavours - just because some dodgy shops sell them to under 18s it doesn't mean they should be made to be flavourless. Can't imagine many of you would say this about alcohol - Oh you're over 18, with free will, but I can only serve you this bottle of wine that has zero flavour - enjoy! 🙄