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Benefits reduction

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Bonsaitreepic · 22/09/2023 08:49

I got my UC payment today. Just checked and it’s almost £300 less than usual. This is because my oldest is now classed as an adult as he’s left ft education. He’s not currently in work.
I have 3 other children but now I seemingly only get support for 2 of them due to the child cap.
Im freaking out. I only get maintenance for one of the children as I have the other 2 50/50 with their dad. I cannot afford to lose this much money every month. I was already struggling as it was. I’m unable to work just yet as one of the children has complex needs. I already get some DLA for them.
im quite sure there’s nothing I can do about this but I’m so worried

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Miyagi99 · 22/09/2023 17:18

Beezknees · 22/09/2023 16:59

Oh shut up. Single mums looking after kids are doing BOTH parents jobs.

I was a single mum, I worked.

Beezknees · 22/09/2023 17:18

jazzyfips · 22/09/2023 17:14

I’m a single parent to 4 kids and I raise them to be productive members of society. I also work full time and don’t claim benefits. If being financially independent is important to you, then it’s important to model it to your kids.

I'm a lone parent working full time too. It doesn't make us superior or give us the right to pass judgment. OP has said she has a child with complex needs.

takemeouttown · 22/09/2023 17:19

Beezknees · 22/09/2023 17:05

You can't choose to never work. Only people with certain disabilities will never have to work.

My estate must not have got that memo.

Beezknees · 22/09/2023 17:20

Miyagi99 · 22/09/2023 17:18

I was a single mum, I worked.

So do I. But not every single mum is able to. Might surprise you to learn everyone is in a different situation. OP said she has a child with complex needs. Unless you know her situation intimately you don't know if she can work or not.

JoshLymanIsHotterThanSam · 22/09/2023 17:20

Oh and following on from my previous. At no point whilst DD was waiting months for her start date did she or I consider claiming…I work so was able to prop her up, but it never crossed our minds to claim JSA or UC or whatever it is they get.

IDoughnutKnow · 22/09/2023 17:21

Potaitapotartaproata · 22/09/2023 17:18

My son is studying A-levels and working 2 jobs as well as doing some odd jobs for others. Why would your son's first thought be to claim benefits?

I was thinking that. He has presumably grown up with the idea that you can do nothing and get paid for it.

Gerrataere · 22/09/2023 17:23

fluffyguineapig · 22/09/2023 17:15

Oh brilliant, can you tell my LA that then? My disabled child has been out of school since June, apparently a special school place might open up in September 2024. It's nice that you don't have to know about this area of life, but making sweeping statements judging parents of disabled children without actually finding out the facts isn't a great look.

Oooh they can tell my sons schools whilst they’re at it! Tell them I should be looking for a job rather than being called in to help with my child’s toileting needs, or being told to keep the other one at home for certain days because he’s too wound up or can’t partake in the activities the other children are doing (also this close to needing to be homeschooled). But I’m sure a magic 9-3 (well 2pm in my case, reduced school day) job would be perfectly fine with all the time off I’d need to meet their needs. But I’m sure one of these all problem fixing special needs school places will pop up for one of eventually so we can stop being awful spongers…

Gerrataere · 22/09/2023 17:24

IDoughnutKnow · 22/09/2023 17:21

I was thinking that. He has presumably grown up with the idea that you can do nothing and get paid for it.

Has he? What’s given you that idea? Can you give examples or are you just making things up?

Beezknees · 22/09/2023 17:26

takemeouttown · 22/09/2023 17:19

My estate must not have got that memo.

You've seen all their medical records and bank accounts then? Interesting.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 22/09/2023 17:27

Secondwindplease · 22/09/2023 16:07

Plenty of jobs about in most places for a young person who has no other commitments and only needs NMW.

And if he does have to get a shit job then so be it. I’ve done it many times. We all start somewhere.

How long since you were dealing with a young person trying to get a job?

ThinWomansBrain · 22/09/2023 17:30

So you used to receive almost £300 for your son, he now receives £250 directly - so overall lets say £40 down.

If he is only contributing £50 a month, would you previously given him £200 a month pocket money? Sounds like more of his £250 needs to contribute to the family income - and/or he gets a job - but if he does, that, he still needs to give you a realistic amount rather than a token payment.

Secondwindplease · 22/09/2023 17:32

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 22/09/2023 17:27

How long since you were dealing with a young person trying to get a job?

At one time I was a young person trying to get a job, in circumstances that were a lot more difficult than the OP’s son. I was homeless at 16 and clawed my way out - didn’t claim a bloody penny. Worked three jobs while I took my GCSEs and came out with As and Bs.

IDoughnutKnow · 22/09/2023 17:33

Gerrataere · 22/09/2023 17:24

Has he? What’s given you that idea? Can you give examples or are you just making things up?

Well, what's he actually doing? Other than thinking, that is.

If he were part of a working family, the option of doing nothing and getting paid for it would never cross his mind.

One of my DC proposed to "think about what to do with their life" at my expense. I said they could get a job while they were "thinking".

WhateverMate · 22/09/2023 17:35

Bonsaitreepic · 22/09/2023 09:11

I agree. He’s at a bit of a crossroads and is panicking about what he wants to do

He can't afford to sit at a crossroads right now.

He needs to get out to work and think about what he wants to do while he's earning.

Zebedee55 · 22/09/2023 17:37

Of course this eldest son should get a job, any job. Even if it's somewhere like Maccy D's, it still brings a wage in.

But, the OP needs to check that her entitlement is correct, bearing in mind she has a disabled child.

OP - best check you are getting the correct amount:

https://capuk.org/money-and-debt-advice/benefits-calculator

Benefits calculator

You could be entitled to benefits you don’t know about. Use the free Turn2us benefits calculator to check if you’re missing out on important financial support.

https://capuk.org/money-and-debt-advice/benefits-calculator

Checkingcheckup · 22/09/2023 17:38

Kendodd · 22/09/2023 16:45

26 applications in six months. That's only one application per week.

Yes - because the majority of jobs wanted 18+ !

DragonFly98 · 22/09/2023 17:38

Kendodd · 22/09/2023 14:48

Agree.
Seems quite bizarre if you ask me that they can claim anything at all living at home. Would they be able to claim UC if the parents work? My oldest is just doing university applications, looking at finance, we'll have to give her money every month to top up any loans (fully expected and stated amounts in the load applications) . Or she could do nothing, stay at home, we'd have to give her nothing, and she could claim UC? That can't be true?

Obviously because your dd is not available for work and spending 35 hours a week searching.

WhateverMate · 22/09/2023 17:40

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 22/09/2023 17:27

How long since you were dealing with a young person trying to get a job?

What is there to 'deal with'?

There are plenty of jobs around if you look hard enough.

Dixiechickonhols · 22/09/2023 17:40

With 2 years restaurant experience I’d question what exactly is he applying for and how proactive he’s being. Where do his friends work - around here lots is word of mouth so they apply where their mates work. Has he asked on Facebook community page - 18 year old lad 2 years waiting on experience any jobs going locally is done here.
Teen jobs for my dc and peers are babysitting, McDonald’s, waitressing, kitchen at a boarding school, online tutor, after school club, lifeguard, junior referee.
Is he being too picky? I wonder if he’s holding out for a ft career type job.

Bromptotoo · 22/09/2023 17:42

Just a few points though I suspect they've been made already:

  1. OP has a child getting DLA and is a Carer. She is therefore not required to seek/take work.
  2. The benefits change is two fold. Firstly the eldest is no longer a child/qualifying young person and drops off her claim. Secondly, because her youngest was born after 2017 the two child rule means she got no additional benefit for them. Only when child #2 drops out will she pick up a CRE for the youngest.
  3. The benefit cap is not an issue as DLA is in play.
  4. Unless the eldest has some form of limited capability for work they need to find a job. That may or may not be easy depending on where that live and what qualifications/skills they had.

As ever the amount of bile and judgmentalism on AIBU is breathtaking. With hindsight the post would have been better in Money Matters where people who know their stuff would have been on it without getting beyond page #1.

KnickerlessParsons · 22/09/2023 17:43

There are plenty of jobs around if you look hard enough.

Indeed. Care homes, call centres (many of these are wfh now too), hospitality, building trade, supermarkets - to name just a few industries who are crying out for unskilled, but good people people who are willing to learn.

Zebedee55 · 22/09/2023 17:44

Bromptotoo · 22/09/2023 17:42

Just a few points though I suspect they've been made already:

  1. OP has a child getting DLA and is a Carer. She is therefore not required to seek/take work.
  2. The benefits change is two fold. Firstly the eldest is no longer a child/qualifying young person and drops off her claim. Secondly, because her youngest was born after 2017 the two child rule means she got no additional benefit for them. Only when child #2 drops out will she pick up a CRE for the youngest.
  3. The benefit cap is not an issue as DLA is in play.
  4. Unless the eldest has some form of limited capability for work they need to find a job. That may or may not be easy depending on where that live and what qualifications/skills they had.

As ever the amount of bile and judgmentalism on AIBU is breathtaking. With hindsight the post would have been better in Money Matters where people who know their stuff would have been on it without getting beyond page #1.

I did point out that the benefit cap was irrelevant if DLA/PIP exist within the household.

But, yes, the eldest child needs to find a job. 🙂

Zebedee55 · 22/09/2023 17:45

KnickerlessParsons · 22/09/2023 17:43

There are plenty of jobs around if you look hard enough.

Indeed. Care homes, call centres (many of these are wfh now too), hospitality, building trade, supermarkets - to name just a few industries who are crying out for unskilled, but good people people who are willing to learn.

I don't think care homes, dealing with the most vulnerable, are the places for unwilling teenagers.

Those jobs need people that are committed and caring.😗

Rosscameasdoody · 22/09/2023 17:46

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The OP has a disabled child. If she wasn’t looking after that child, have you any idea how much it would cost the tax payer ? You might want to consider that before using phrases such as ‘drain on society’.

archimedesconstant · 22/09/2023 17:49

Gerrataere · 22/09/2023 17:23

Oooh they can tell my sons schools whilst they’re at it! Tell them I should be looking for a job rather than being called in to help with my child’s toileting needs, or being told to keep the other one at home for certain days because he’s too wound up or can’t partake in the activities the other children are doing (also this close to needing to be homeschooled). But I’m sure a magic 9-3 (well 2pm in my case, reduced school day) job would be perfectly fine with all the time off I’d need to meet their needs. But I’m sure one of these all problem fixing special needs school places will pop up for one of eventually so we can stop being awful spongers…

See also all the threads on here about disabled children in mainstream schools being a distraction and ‘ruining’ education for neurotypical children. So many responses saying parents should keep those children at home if specialist setting isn’t available as their rights don’t ‘trump those of NT kids right to an education’

Yet those who do keep them at home are benefit spongers who need to get a job 🙄

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