I still fancy RB

[WesterChick]

I've watched the documentary.

I still fancy RB.

I identify as a radical feminist.

I'm married with kids.

I think that if you are a heterosexual woman, you are either in denial on what men are or you accept what they are but find them irresistibly sexually attractive and so continue to be with them.

RB is simply what the vast majority of men would be like if they could get away with it.

Therefore - and because he's bloody good looking, funny and intelligent - and sexy - I will continue to fancy the pants off him.

I think women who are being all shocked and descusted at his behaviour need to consider what men are actually like. There's not some massive demarcation between him and other men.

What's offensive is you trying to belittle someone whenever they don't agree with you.

Does the average man rape or sexually assault women?

I’ve always thought he was incredibly unattractive. Honestly cannot fathom what any woman could possibly see in him, other than pound signs if that’s your thing….

My thing is manly men. And he’s not one of those in any way whatsoever.

This goes further than just disagreeing.

You are consistently making excuses for this creature's absolutely sickening behaviour towards women and girls. Belittling the experience of these brave women who have come forward, bleating that there's no evidence when it's out there for all to see.

Your attitude is appalling and I couldn't give two shits if I offend you.

RB is simply what the vast majority of men would be like if they could get away with it.

Um, he's really not.

I have never belittled any experiences, just said I would need to see a defence case before I made up my mind, like anyone would in court. I don't care what you think, calling people thick and embarrassing, get off your high horse.

I despise cancel culture too but that isn’t what this is. It would be cancel culture if the woman had posted on Twitter that Brand assaulted her when she was 16 and than a pile-on ensued.

This is different because the journalists conducted extensive research. They spoke to many people of whom 5 agreed to appear in the film. This is different to the usual Twitter pile-on, which is why we are all taking it seriously. Brand is losing his ability to monetise but the documentary proves that it should never have been given to him in the first place.

Lastly, the extreme misogyny alone (fantasising out loud about groping female colleagues on air; flashing; harassing and shaming an elderly man with the fact that he fucked his grandaughter were grounds enough for the kind of cancellation of which you speak.

That's a fair point about cancel culture.
I agree with parts of what you say, and I think it's understandable that there would be a pulling of sponsors and a justifiable backlash to the investigative report, including amongst the general public themselves, but I do believe that the government asking broadcasters to remove him or demonetise him without a guilty verdict is part of a 'cancel culture', as it is a formal request from a higher power, a punishment. I think a punishment should come from a court room and judge, after a fair trial, not decided by an MP or media company who have financially benefitted from him for decades (both throughout and since his openly misogynistic behaviour).

Even if he loses his career he's worth somewhere between £15-£40m. I think his ego will take the biggest hit.

But I'm shocked at the number of people who think that he's off the scale compared to the average man. There are a lot of men out there who fantasise about rape and enjoy violent pornography. RB isn't special or different.

Got any facts to back that up? I know no man like RB and never have, other wise I would not associate with them. He is far from average, It must be the circles I live in because the majority of my friends and myself are always caring and polite of females.

I have witnessed the odd complete and utter dirty shit, defiantly not the norm and not some one I would associate with in any way shape or form. If they do it, I have never been made aware of it and they have acted like that around me even in male only company.

No I am not confusing rape and sex.

He had to be in situations with these 2000 women where he could have easily raped them as he was by definition about to have sex with them and yeah plenty of women wanted to have sex with him no denying it (and yes I do appreciate how hard it is for them to prove it if they're in an intimate situation with him, so he could, in all probability, 'get away with it').

Now given how many women seem to think he's a sex god - not me I hasten to add, I'm not defending him because I fancy him- there seemed to be plenty willing to get naked with him yet out of all that vast number of women only one accuses him of rape.

I'd expect much more.

I'll change my mind if more come forward.

So, can you clarify then, @Poptones - because I'm confused. If a man has many consensual sexual partners, he can't be accused of rape? Is that what you're saying?

No. That's NOT what I'm saying at all. You cannot reasonably compare the average man to Russell Brand, he is an outlier.

If a man had only 20 sexual partners (even that's high for an average guy) I would tend to believe the one woman who said he raped her.

Look I'm not dumb, I am well aware that one man may treat one girlfriend well and not another.

But 2000? You just can't see a pattern at all.

I mean what circumstances were so unusual for him to decide to rape one person out of that number?

This is obviously a rhetorical question.

Why do you keep saying one woman? There were four on the documentary.

You absolutely are confusing rape with sex; you're saying he had the opportunity to rape 2000 women because they were in a sexual situation with him. I was pointing out that rape and sex are different so he could easily have consensual sex with any number of women and still rape others. Because sex and rape are not the same thing. So why does it matter how many women he had sex with? (Answer: it doesn't!)

Being a rapist doesn't preclude a man from having consensual sex and I can’t understand why you think it does. You do know that men rape their partners - who might have had consensual sex with them 2000 times but one day be raped? Please tell me you understand that at least. Also, you know that women might even go back and have consensual sex with a man that's raped them previously? (A trauma response, an attempt to erase it and make it better, denial etc). It doesn't make him less of a rapist, does it?

Abusers are not abusive 100% of the time. That's exactly how they get away with it. Rapists and predators don't look and behave like monsters until suddenly they do.

I don't know how you think your 'numbers game' (way to trivialise it!) holds any weight at all, I think it's honestly the stupidest argument I've heard in defence of RB and that's saying something.

And for the love of god - not that it matters in terms of your ridiculous stance - stop saying it's only one woman when you are fully aware it's more!

Is that you Laura?

Got any facts to back that up? I know no man like RB and never have, other wise I would not associate with them.

I don't think RB is completely different to other men. Most men do not behave like this but enough to that many of us have encountered it.

You can't possibly know what fantasies anyone has unless they say hey Harryslife. I fancied sharing with that rape is arousing to me. I know it's taboo and rape is awful and illegal, but Im very open

And you can't know what men in your life have done when younger, or in private throughout the course of their life

So @Poptones what is the magic number or percentage of that 2000 women which might make you think that this man might actually be a rapist?

Particularly given that all 2000 women cannot be asked about consent and the barriers to reporting sexual offences

For the record, I can't stand Brand or Ross. That stunt with Andrew Sachs was awful. Cunts the pair of them.
I do not fancy men like Brand. Hate men who kiss and tell. It's just not gentlemanly.
It's an instant turn off.
More than that Brand has no core to him. No real masculinity. I fancy men who have a certain stability to them.
There is an interview with a young Adam Faith who had poise and solidity to him even in his early 20s-now to me that's sexy, not some frenetic flibberigibbit.

I'm saying this to show I'm not blinded by whatever the heck it is women see in him.

I don't care if you fancy him or not, I care about your dangerous and wilful blind endorsement of harmful rape myths - that men who get a lot of sex can't be rapists, that sexual assault doesn't count (assuming this from the way you keep saying 'one woman' rather than four, you've clearly disregarded the three that were assaulted/orally raped), the presumption that women lie, that rape is about sex more than it is about power and violence, that because a woman goes willingly she can't then be raped, that women who don't report rape don't count...but you think you're objective because Brand isn't your type?

I never said that if a woman goes willingly she can't be raped. Far from it, I said that these women did go willingly yet were apparently not raped.

Though to be fair the fact that I stated that I believe he has no core or stability and is frenetic does in fact put a tick in the he may have done it box for me. I mean I don't think he's reliable or stable in any way. I wouldn't trust him on anything. He isn't a rock of masculinity.

But like I said, I'm keeping an open mind unlike some who have already decided.

All I've done is muse about why aren't there more accusing him.

Again, we could have a flood of accusations happen.

I can only presume you've never been on a stag do, been to university, hung around city centre bars and nightclubs, played certain video games. The world is full of men who have very similar misogynistic views to RB. Just because your friends don't openly discuss some of their darker fantasies it doesn't mean thousands of women haven't been on the receiving end.

What about your repeated assertion that it's 'only' one woman? Can you explain why you keep saying that?

@Poptones

All I've done is muse about why aren't there more accusing him.

You've repeatedly mentioned 'one woman' when four women made serious accusations, including one sixteen year old who says she was orally raped by him.

Can you see how unusual it is that you have read all the allegations and then keep describing the situation as 'one woman' accusing him?

Where does the 2,000 figure come from?

@Poptones what do you think about the latest accusation, which appears to have been inadvertently corroborated by Brand himself? This incident was initially reported to the BBC in 2019.

I can only presume you've never been on a stag do, been to university, hung around city centre bars and nightclubs, played certain video games. The world is full of men who have very similar misogynistic views to RB. Just because your friends don't openly discuss some of their darker fantasies it doesn't mean thousands of women haven't been on the receiving end.

But you said

But I'm shocked at the number of people who think that he's off the scale compared to the average man. There are a lot of men out there who fantasise about rape and enjoy violent pornography. RB isn't special or different.

He is off the scale. 2000 sexual partners for starters.

And sexual abuse and rape allegations . Nah that is " special and different".