Russell Brand - everyone knew

[Mooshamoo]

I was watching the comedian Katherine Ryan say to Louis theroux that a British comedian is a sexual perpetrator. It is now believed that she was talking about Russell brand. She said on the video "when it eventually comes out about these type of people, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this unmentionable British personality, it turns out that everyone knew. Everyone knew. ".

I was wondering did anyone on here on mumsnet know anything about Russell brand? A lot of us lived in London when her was living there. And many women on here would have been a similar age to Russell brand . I lived in London for a year and I saw Russell brand out on a night out once. That was the extent of it. I was wondering did anyone on here have any experience with him, or know about a friend/acquaintance that had any experiences with him.

One of these women is a recovering addict, like RB, whom he met at a 12 steps meeting. I believe by this time he was already embracing his 'I'm fixed and dealing with addiction as recommended' persona. I'm not a member of any addiction groups but I understand they have broadly similar requirements from attendees. Having sexual relationships within the group is usually proscribed. That RB preyed on this vulnerable woman whilst proclaiming how changed he was is a signifier of his basic personality and his intention to turn others weakness to his own advantage, regardless of any harm he may cause. He is a dishonest, manipulative, deceitful untrustworthy man. He couldn't make it plainer. This is who he is, who he has been and who he will remain.

And actually yes, I do have experience. Not that it's anything to do with this. It's an intrusive, embarrassing, devastating experience. But I have sons. All it would take is for somebody to accuse any one of them of something. Totally unfounded. Just being accused of such a thing will mean the end of l8fe as you know it. Just Google a name and that is your footnote for the rest of your life... you don't agree with something I have said. We are allowed not to agree.

If it was consensual and she was thrilled, then it wasn't coercion, was it?

What a strange assumption to make! If she found him rapey and sleazy and repulsive would she really have 3 children with him? Is it not more likely that she has stayed because she is happy?
If she left him she would still be wealthy. They are married and she has three of his kids, he would be required to pay huge sums of maintenance.

And so- called investigative journalism has seen innocents becoming pariahs.. there are some journalists who are only guided by their own self interests rather than the truth. Human nature isn't as kind as you would hope, and not everybody let's the truth guide, especially when a big scoop or money is involved.

It doesn't just take "one person to accuse them of anything. There has to be a lot of evidence before it goes to court and even then there are few convictions.

You're just speculating that she was talking about him. Female comedians have joined a WhatsApp group where 4 or more male comedians are being discussed, with the predator vibe attached, could be any of them.
I prefer to wait until I see what unfolds through a court of law if it ever gets to that point.

Also at least one of the journalists involved have had to take their name off of the investigation list for Russell Brand because they have been sued previously for basically ruining someone's life with their wrongful reporting & 'investigating'.
This person who was the victim of the reporting went public over the last couple of days & said that the journalist team aren't reliable. They withdrew names from the RB investigation because of this fact. She's gone public on twitter

His tour has been cancelled and he has been dropped by his management... so yeah really milking it

@sweetdreams33

A lot of journalism is investigative. I doubt that individual reporters have the motivation to single out individuals for a 'hatchet job' out of malice. The documentary would have taken a lot of time with care to ensure details were factually correct. As I said previously RB has the right to sue and if the allegations were proven false he presumably would be entitled to a considerable amount of money and the restoration of his reputation (partially); so why doesn't he do this?

what motivation is there for the complainants? The women involved certainly aren't getting money and were presumably prepared for a small number of people to doubt then so why go public? The only reason I can think of it is to try and get some kind of justice or at least make sure their voice is heard. Also remember there were a number of independent complainants and I doubt there was some conspiracy to make up a collective of false stories.

I also think Jonathan Ross says a lot of creepy things to women. His discussion of Beyoncé's bootey made me feel sick

It has been widely reported that she was talking about him now. There were people in the audience when she was calling him predator so even though it was cut from the final edit people witnessed it.

The text messages could have been read as - she didn't consent to sex without a condom, he went ahead without a condom & she thought he should have because as it says, that happened before. I don't know if she said no to sex per se. This is what a court would discuss but I don't think it's as cut as dried as people think. I think it's very unclear cut.

Would that not still not be rape? Given she did not consent to sex without a condom?

There will be few celeb types that will be supporters I suppose but maybe not make their views known. I think there is an unwritten rule in celeb spheres that you don't go after one of your own (similar to many industries) and so there may be a reluctance amongst some to discuss this.

I have issues with believing journalists & reports without independent hard evidence, rather than heresy, I have to say we can't just believe what they say because they just want to spin a story that sells & this is a big one with a big fat paypacket

Absolutely milking it? His career is dead. He's being obliterated overnight and won't get any acceptable work again. He's in hiding because this is a proper stage 5 media frenzy the likes of which only Amy Winehouse would know.
I'm not.defending him but bloody hell I wouldn't wish this shit on my worst enemy.

I don't know, I guess it depends on the timing of when she said what, whether she said it at all that time, whether it was presumed between them or not . This is the job of a court if it gets that far

@Messyhair321

There was evidence in terms of personal testimony of the women involved. The question is what evidence is expected? There aren't going to videos of the crimes actually being committed so prosecution relies on personal testimony.

@Messyhair321 could you be any more of a rape apologist if you tried? Seriously!

Are people trying to set this up now so that if none of the women do go to court then Brand is innocent. I hope not.

🙄how lovely 🤣
I'm sure SunflowersAndSmellyTrainers isn't worrying, just making an important point. Trial by Press protects no one, particularly future victims. If these accusers had reported him to the police at or near the time, future victims WOULD have been prevented.

As I said, there would have been many witnesses in the audience and Kathryn Ryan is certainly not disputing the fact that she was talking about him.

As for the wife I think she is in a horrible position. She does have to look after her family but really she does have to think about the lifestyle changes that will occur after this. Basically there is going to be no reflected fame any more and I guess you are going to be excluded from.certain circles as a celebrity. I would think you would have too be aware of the paparazzi taking photos as well.

I don't have personal experience of him but as a once attractive woman I've come across perverts before and although no-one would ever want to admit it, there is a type of man. Usually, late 20s / 30s, looking for much younger, naive women who are clueless about relationships and life generally. If a 30 year old man is interested in a 16 year old, I would question why he's interested. What could an intelligent man have in common with her?

I also don't believe that false allegations are as common as anyone thinks. In my whole life of dealing with men, I've known of one person that's been falsely accused.