Russell Brand - everyone knew

[Mooshamoo]

I was watching the comedian Katherine Ryan say to Louis theroux that a British comedian is a sexual perpetrator. It is now believed that she was talking about Russell brand. She said on the video "when it eventually comes out about these type of people, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this unmentionable British personality, it turns out that everyone knew. Everyone knew. ".

I was wondering did anyone on here on mumsnet know anything about Russell brand? A lot of us lived in London when her was living there. And many women on here would have been a similar age to Russell brand . I lived in London for a year and I saw Russell brand out on a night out once. That was the extent of it. I was wondering did anyone on here have any experience with him, or know about a friend/acquaintance that had any experiences with him.

I do think he is an odious little man who looks like he needs a good wash, but what the hell was "Alice" expecting when she got in a car to be taken to his house. She must have known it wasn't for tea and biscuits.

I very much doubt she was expecting to be abused in the way she was by such a public figure that she possibly had a teenage crush on. It was for the adults around her to protect her, which they failed to do.

Unfortunately rape is very hard to convict, and the success rates are minimal. So unless the evidence is overwhelming the chance of conviction is small.

Everyone in the London theatre industry knew Spacey was a wrong un, stories of his casting couch ways were well rumoured. But the courts said no….

I’d still warn a young actor going to audition for him though.

Glad that repulsive “she was asking for it” post was deleted.

Yes if it's abuse, but sex with a 16 year old isn't necessaruly abuse.

When you keep just repeating because they are a child, in away which suggests that any sex with a 16 year old is abuse becuase they are a child, you are conveying a message that: some children can consent to sex in some circumstances.

Which is a very very dodgy messgae to convey.

Yes the legal position is complex, so it's not helpful to pretend it's simple because they're a child, in fact it's probably downright dangerous.

Nope. Never got the hype. He’s not funny or sexy

There are child sex offences that involve children over 13 and under 16 but in the case of a rape the offence would be rape if they are over 13. If a child over 13 consented then there are relevant child sex offences that have different names but raping a child over 13 would be charged as rape. It’s an offence against a child even though it doesn’t have child in the name of the offence.

@StrawberryWasp

But she claimed she was forced and had to punch in the stomach. And there was a spitting incident.

From Rape Crisis again:

• Child sexual abuse is any kind of sexual activity that happens to children or young people under the age of 18 and is either...Unwanted, or
• Involves pressure, manipulation, bullying, intimidation, threats, deception or force.

In other words, any kind of sexual activity that happens to children or young people under the age of 18 without their consent.

Yep this sums it up.

I was living in primrose hill and my housemate and I weren't friends with celebrities but were good mixer Hawley arms etc regulars so Noel Fielding / Amy Winehouse /George lamb / Zane Lowe etc.

I saw Russell brand on occasion and got "the look" once 🤢
He also offered my housemate a shag (subsequently declined) in the toilet at Camden stables... nice.

@Lilibert456 what is wrong with you, a 16 year old doesn’t know what she’s getting into with a powerful, sexually aggressive man. Even if she thought they might have sex I’m sure that didn’t include in her mind deep throating or rape.

He shoved his penis down her throat. He spat in her mouth. He raped her.

Is that not fucking abuse to you? We aren’t talking about any potential consensual sex, we are talking about the accusations she has made of rape. Those are legally child abuse.

I have not suggested that ANY sex with a 16 year old is child abuse. I’m talking about the acts of rape she has accused him of are child abuse.

It was the follow up to "My Booky Wook" (think it was called with great originality, "My Booky Wook 2" . It started off with him shagging Kate Moss and then meeting Katy Perry and I found the tone "off" , boastful and anti-women so I gave up reading it.

I don’t think anyone argues that Andrew Tate is fine as long as he doesn’t break the law. When Brand was joking Savile on radio 2 I think most people thought it was ironic and just a joke that they were in on. However the line between Brand and Tate is not clear.

Read my previous comment about having a relationship with a much older man at the age of 16. I was not a child, I was completely infatuated with this older man and I went along with everything. Was I coerced? No, was I seduced, absolutely! Was it child abuse? Absolutely not! Was it questionable on his behalf? Possibly,

But did he forced his penis down your throat? Did he rape you? That’s what she has accused Brand of. That’s child abuse whichever way you try to spin it.

I'm not arguing this wasn't rape, it sounds like it was.

I'm addresssing all the earlier posts which seemed to suggest that just because she was a child it was child abuse.

@StrawberryWasp

It IS child abuse. Read this again:

• Child sexual abuse is any kind of sexual activity that happens to children or young people under the age of 18 and is either...Unwanted, or
• Involves pressure, manipulation, bullying, intimidation, threats, deception or force.

In other words, any kind of sexual activity that happens to children or young people under the age of 18 without their consent.

Honestly, this does sound like abuse.

The power dynamic of a 16 year old child and a much older man who had 'a thing for virgins' is obviously off balance.

Would you be happy to marry for your 16 year old daughter to sleep with a man much older than her who had a thing for virgins?

Would you be happy to marry a man who slept with 16 year old virgins?

Because I'd run a mile and I definitely wouldn't want my daughters in that position.

What is wrong with you.

How hard is it?

What happened to you, if as you say it was consensual and there was no coercion, is not child abuse. If that man had forced his penis down your throat without consent and spat in your mouth then forcibly held your mouth closed to force you to swallow it then that would have been child abuse. Consensual sex with someone over 16 is not child abuse. Sexually assaulting, humiliating and physically abusing a 16 year old is child abuse.

Talking there about the age of consent, not rape. I’m not expressing an opinion or a personal position, and I’m OBVIOUSLY not saying that sexual assault is only sexual assault if it’s perpetrated by a teacher or care worker.

But again (and again) we weren’t talking about potentially consensual sex, we’re talk about the sexual abuse and acts of rape.

I'm addresssing all the earlier posts which seemed to suggest that just because she was a child it was child abuse.

How do you define child’s abuse then? She was a child, he knew she was a child and he allegedly abused her in that she didn’t consent.

The act of 'stealthing' has only fairly recently become a criminal offence so not applicable in this case as too long ago

We did things I was not comfortable with, for sure. I never had to punch him to stop something I was not comfortable with.