Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think the UK has become awful?

815 replies

ma1formed · 13/09/2023 20:26

I can't pinpoint when, but it feels like everything that was once pretty good is now quite awful

So expensive
No doctors
Uni costs for kids insane
Terrible rent / can't buy a house
Everyone seems quite unpleasant or racist

Is it just me?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
13
Dymaxion · 13/09/2023 22:41

The NHS is broken beyond fixing and needs a total rethink

Large chunks of it are already privatised in some way, look at GP's , Dentistry and things like equipment provision. As a general rule the UK doesn't do privatisation well, so I am not sure that doing the same with the entire NHS will see any better outcomes ? I work in the NHS and see first hand how once a contract is signed, the private companies tail off their commitment or service levels. You tend to get a honeymoon period and then the 'promises' are soon forgotton.

ma1formed · 13/09/2023 22:42

I cannot think of a single situation in the UK where privatisation has actually gone well. Sorry, I think more NHS privatisation is a bloody terrible idea. But the money cunts probably see it differently of course.

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 13/09/2023 22:44

You're being ridiculous and have no idea what a truly dreadful country is if you think the UK is one. Try living in Libya, Somalia, Haiti, Afghanistan. You don't know you're born!

This is what is called damning with faint praise.

Barnowlsandbluebells · 13/09/2023 22:44

NamelessNancy · 13/09/2023 22:40

Sorry, you're right. The food poverty under Labour (and my lack of awareness) was indeed shameful. Now it's forty times more shameful and even I've noticed it!

Stop defending your 'I'm alright Jack" attitude and start showing some social responsibility. To correct you again - there weren't 35 food banks in the whole of the UK in 2010, those stats related to the Trussell Trust only. Please stop embarassing yourself.

Blinkingbonkers · 13/09/2023 22:44

Things have been deteriorating for a while but we’d be doing a shed load better without Brexit. To be honest the members of the British public who voted out are just reaping the ‘benefits’ …..with the rest of the population along for their daft joy ride. No idea how to fix it but perhaps a culture where people were celebrated for things other than their looks and who they shag might be helpful too!

NamelessNancy · 13/09/2023 22:45

The Trussell Trust is the largest provider of food banks in the Uk. It's reasonable to think their figures are indicative across the board.

Dymaxion · 13/09/2023 22:46

I cannot think of a single situation in the UK where privatisation has actually gone well.

I think you should qualify this with 'gone well for the consumer' because someone somewhere is making a shed load of money from privatisation, just unfortunately at the detriment of those using the services.

Seychal · 13/09/2023 22:50

For 10 years taxes have gone up. For 10 years borrowing has gone up. For 10 years services has gone down.

Somewhere there is a massive, massive, massive leaky drain. It just needs fixing.

squareyedannie · 13/09/2023 22:50

It's the cost of living, for me.
I'm dreading having to use my heating. Not just that but everything costs so damn much compared to our wages. It's absolutely dire.

Kendodd · 13/09/2023 22:51

FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 22:29

Of course it isn’t, not that anyone should pay attention to sociologists on any matter of importance.

Blaming the government is just something that people do who never learned to take any responsibility.

I agree with you, I don't blame the government for the state of the country. I blame the stupid, gullible fuckers who vote for them, and voted for Brexit. In their own words, they 'knew what they voted for'. They can own the whole sorry mess, it's all on them.

Meltinthemiddle · 13/09/2023 22:55

No dentists either

Seychal · 13/09/2023 22:58

@FirstYouGetTheMoney There are plenty of people in the UK I know who have come from nothing and who also are quite capable of understanding and acknowledging what a shit show the Conservative government has been over the last 13 years. Many are now ex-Conservative voters.

Good for you if you are happy with the bars set so low.

ma1formed · 13/09/2023 22:59

The thing is, I am usually a Labout voter, but agree with some of the PPs that I am very worried they won't improve much. They seem to largely agree on most policies, they are taking huge donations from corporations, including private healthcare firms and Wes Streeting has outright said they intend to extend NHS privatisation.

I feel like maybe Starmer is a very, very shit Blair. Because I remember Blair being quite good initially.

OP posts:
FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 23:02

Seychal · 13/09/2023 22:50

For 10 years taxes have gone up. For 10 years borrowing has gone up. For 10 years services has gone down.

Somewhere there is a massive, massive, massive leaky drain. It just needs fixing.

But they haven’t. The tax-free allowance has increased significantly, lifting millions out of paying any income tax at all.

The lower three quintiles pay absolutely nothing (net) in tax, the second-top pays only a little, leaving the top quintile to pay pretty much everything.

FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 23:02

Seychal · 13/09/2023 22:58

@FirstYouGetTheMoney There are plenty of people in the UK I know who have come from nothing and who also are quite capable of understanding and acknowledging what a shit show the Conservative government has been over the last 13 years. Many are now ex-Conservative voters.

Good for you if you are happy with the bars set so low.

What’s your point? The shit government are not responsible for what you earn.

Myfabby · 13/09/2023 23:05

NutellaEllaElla · 13/09/2023 21:15

You think the UK is worse than the US? You're off your rocker.

You've literally just proven OP's ( last) point. Unpleasant or racist.

You may disagree and think the UK is the best thing since sliced bread but did you have to hurl insults? off your rocker- is that language you would use if you had a difference of opinion at work. So uncouth and highly unnecessary.

Ilikeicecream · 13/09/2023 23:08

ma1formed · 13/09/2023 20:26

I can't pinpoint when, but it feels like everything that was once pretty good is now quite awful

So expensive
No doctors
Uni costs for kids insane
Terrible rent / can't buy a house
Everyone seems quite unpleasant or racist

Is it just me?

Everyone??

Keeping aside massive exaggeration, when you cannot afford a home, are constantly worried for the basic things in life Keeping home warm, food, decent home, healthcare, usually this level of stress makes you unhappy and unpleasant.

But everyone iin UK s not unpleasant and racist. I agree UK has deteriorated. But important things which you didnt mention, pollution, streets being littered, I think there is more apathy from public towards public areas now than before.

I am originally from India, in last 15 years UK has become rundown, tired looking country. Of course, there are still pockets of positivity and amazingness (I don't have better word). I feel bad because I love sp many things about it but people in power have caused structural damages. There are not eood people interestwd in joining politics.
There is not much patriotism compared to other countries. I am talking about healthy one. In global industrial world UK has lost its competitive edge. UK does manufacture much. Younger generation/ kids today will have problems competing against kids growing up in countries / society where STEM education is valued. Not saying other education and vocations are not important.
But if you look at the latest article about best countries to live by Wharton, UK quite low for future preparednes and agility compared to US, Canada, Germany, even India . I say even because India still is dealibg with complex social priblems and poverty of a developing country.

I hope I am wrong, UK has lost interest in science and governance. UK is no Italy, whose economy benefits a lot from art, culture, year round tourism thanks to warmer weather.
People say a lot how bad UK is, but very few people want to brainstorm how to change that.
UK will suffer from brain drain.

Ilikeicecream · 13/09/2023 23:10

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 13/09/2023 20:39

So expensive- tbh it’s not the expense it’s the wage compression, many many other comparable countries are more expensive but their wages are better

No doctors- yep the nhs now scares me

Uni costs for kids insane - I think times change, it wasn’t going to be free for ever. I think the bigger issue is lack of focus on labour / trade skills

Terrible rent / can't buy a house- yep awful!

Everyone seems quite unpleasant or racist- bullshit, compared to most other countries we are still one of the most integrated, inclusive welcoming countries

Agree with this

Seychal · 13/09/2023 23:10

FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 23:02

What’s your point? The shit government are not responsible for what you earn.

Where did I say they were? Where did I say that?

I am delighted with what I earn.

I have given you a very clear statement in my post. Read it again. It is not rocket science.

thebutcherswife · 13/09/2023 23:11

Teddleshon · 13/09/2023 20:57

The UK is one of the least racist countries on earth.

I don’t know which country you live in to make this statement but it’s not the UK.

Inacountrygarden · 13/09/2023 23:11

Brexit sucking the lifeblood out of Britain. Heartbreaking.
Where has all the money gone to invest in NHS, schools, public services? Corrupt Tories diverting tax payers money to their cronies e.g. Michelle Mone.
Privatisation of our country’s vital services, such as water, railways, lining shareholder’s pockets instead of investing in infrastructure.

RandomForest · 13/09/2023 23:13

Seychal · 13/09/2023 22:50

For 10 years taxes have gone up. For 10 years borrowing has gone up. For 10 years services has gone down.

Somewhere there is a massive, massive, massive leaky drain. It just needs fixing.

In all my 60 years, the biggest jump in taxes and utilities etc was during the Blair years, I still have council tax bills from that period, I was shocked to see the increses, admittedly the government gave back with family tax credits and more people being able to claim dissability benefits etc. The average state worker recieved more money in their pay packet, some of those workers were paid rediculous ammounts for working less hours.

It felt like bribery for votes.

It also set a precident for bills and taxes to go up by a rediculous ammount but the greed that overcame councils and governments meant that these tax rises gave back fewer and fewer sevices, wages, resources for the paying tax payer.

This has gone on from sucessive governments and councils till now, where it feels like the danger zone.
They are unable to tax us any further realistically but they will, and there is no money for repairing the damage.

It's fucked, untill we analyse each and every persons wealth and reclaim back some of the vast inequalities of those that want to live here, then we are soon going to be living in an increasingly dangerous country.
Civil unrest, revolutions, these things will be thought of, the differences are just too much, somethings got to give.

FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 23:14

Seychal · 13/09/2023 23:10

Where did I say they were? Where did I say that?

I am delighted with what I earn.

I have given you a very clear statement in my post. Read it again. It is not rocket science.

Then you need to read what you were trying to respond to, and try to understand it. I deliberately used simple words for people like you.
I never claimed that the government were anything but awful, and have been making the point that they are not to blame for individuals’ situations.

Stoic123 · 13/09/2023 23:15

Inacountrygarden · 13/09/2023 23:11

Brexit sucking the lifeblood out of Britain. Heartbreaking.
Where has all the money gone to invest in NHS, schools, public services? Corrupt Tories diverting tax payers money to their cronies e.g. Michelle Mone.
Privatisation of our country’s vital services, such as water, railways, lining shareholder’s pockets instead of investing in infrastructure.

Cronyism - just awful selfish greed.

HoliHormonalTigerLillyTheSecond · 13/09/2023 23:15

Stop. Voting. Tory.

Swipe left for the next trending thread