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Are accents snobbish

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678somean · 08/09/2023 09:19

I know this is going to get me a lot of backlash. But I love a good debate so thought I'd pose the question....
I hate regional accents. I know they can't be helped but they sound so thick.
There was an article in the Guardian recently where they mentioned that people with regional accents go to speech therapy before moving to London in order to apply for jobs!
I think it's a smart move. But of course not a popular opinion.
I've worked with lots of people in high profile roles and honestly, whether people like it or not, the ones with RP are definitely taken more seriously and respected.
I've noticed all over England that the ones who are highly educated with good jobs rarely have their local accent and most have admitted that it's undesirable to have a regional accent and they are middle/upper class so don't speak with one.
Do others feel the same when applying for high status roles?

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newnamethanks · 08/09/2023 14:26

Accents are not snobbish. People who notice them, and comment on them, are.

Thepeopleversuswork · 08/09/2023 14:29

marblesthecat · 08/09/2023 14:24

People do judge accents unfortunately. At uni a lot of southerners assumed I was stupid when they heard my Geordie accent even though I passed the same exams they did to get into that uni. When I left and started working in an office I started to tone down my accent a bit. I just naturally started to annunciate more as I was speaking to people from different places on the phone. I'll be honest I really dislike thick Geordie accents now - my DH gets a death glare if he says aboot/gannin/doon haha. I do still sound north-eastern with my pronunciation of certain words ie "no" but my accent is a lot weaker than it was.

Some ignorant people do still judge those with accents, yes. I find it's best to rise above them.

They'll judge you far harder, though (and rightly so) if you can't figure out that an accent isn't a living organism with the capability to make judgements, can't spell, can't string a sentence together and call people with regional accents "thick" on your opening post.

fiddlesticksandotherwords · 08/09/2023 14:31

Ye Gods. This thread leaves me lost for words.

Chickenkeev · 08/09/2023 14:38

newnamethanks · 08/09/2023 14:26

Accents are not snobbish. People who notice them, and comment on them, are.

Nevermind31 · 08/09/2023 14:47

People do lose their accents a bit if they move out of their region, it softens over time, they pick up words from where they live…
So many of the people in top positions may have started off with a more pronounced accent- then went to boarding school, or university, then worked in London, so their accents might be lost. It only comes out when they visit (and then they get mocked for their “Southern” accent) or speak to a fellow accent holder.

LubaLuca · 08/09/2023 14:52

Sugarcoatt · 08/09/2023 11:59

Actually I’ve found that people from other countries struggle to tell the difference between British accents. Several of us went to a work conference and the Americans struggled to distinguish between Scouse, Geordie, Cockney and Yorkshire accents. The Chinese delegates thought we sounded identical.

This is my experience too. I'm English, my colleague has a very strong Welsh accent - our colleagues in America and Asia think we have the same accent.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 08/09/2023 14:57

LubaLuca · 08/09/2023 14:52

This is my experience too. I'm English, my colleague has a very strong Welsh accent - our colleagues in America and Asia think we have the same accent.

Interesting - if I am with one of my German friends she will say "is so and so from Liverpool" or "oh yes X is from Scotland" - she has no problem distinguishing between some of the more obvious accents.

Wideskye · 08/09/2023 14:58

I always find the idea that people are accent less hilarious.
Even if someone is using RP you can note differences.
I now live in the Home Counties and there are distinctions in accents. Especially those who think hey are accent less.
Granted the South of England is becoming a homogenization of 'The East End'
I often find whilst working overseas that I am asked to translate for Londoners

DoItAgainPlz · 08/09/2023 15:02

marblesthecat · 08/09/2023 14:24

People do judge accents unfortunately. At uni a lot of southerners assumed I was stupid when they heard my Geordie accent even though I passed the same exams they did to get into that uni. When I left and started working in an office I started to tone down my accent a bit. I just naturally started to annunciate more as I was speaking to people from different places on the phone. I'll be honest I really dislike thick Geordie accents now - my DH gets a death glare if he says aboot/gannin/doon haha. I do still sound north-eastern with my pronunciation of certain words ie "no" but my accent is a lot weaker than it was.

I too have a North East accent - not Geordie - and unfortunately I think television has a lot to do with the "Geordies are idiots" stereotype.

Just think about how many programmes have a "thick Geordie" amongst their supporting cast.

JaninaDuszejko · 08/09/2023 15:24

If the OP could tell the difference between a Milngavie and a Muirhouse accent I'm sure she'd judge Scottish accents as harshly as she judges English accents. As it is Scots in England have a classless status that can be useful at times.

678somean · 08/09/2023 15:26

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Everanewbie · 08/09/2023 15:31

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I OP, I'm neither northern nor lower class. But I'd need to respect your opinion to be offended. Open up your mind and you'll see so many people with talents and intelligence. But I think you're really just trying to get a reaction.

BIossomtoes · 08/09/2023 15:32

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I don’t think so. If you really think that your prejudice has blinded you to reality.

Technonan · 08/09/2023 15:34

Someone has probably already said this, so apologies if I am repeating things. Regional acents have roots that lie in earlier forms of English - they don't represent a 'fall from grace', they represent a different starting point. The different dialects of English have roots in forms of English that were often not mutually comprehensible, from the times when what we now call England (and a fair bit of Scotland) was divided up into several different kingdoms.

RP is an accent, not a dialect, and is relatively recent. It developed from the East Midlands accent in the 15th century. The East Midlands accent was associated with the centres of learning - Oxford and Cambridge, and was associated with London, the capital, so it gained prestige, but it didn't gain the (lessening) prestige is has now until the end of the 18th century.

It's just another accent. In earlier periods, different parts of Britain were the centres of power, particularly the Kingdom of Northumbria that contained the East Yorkshire ports, the great cathedral of Durham, and stretched a fair way into Scotland. If it hadn't fallen, we might well be seeing Geordie as the 'best' way to speak.

Is it snobbish to prefer RP? Probably, but more importantly, it suggests someone who is deeply ill-informed about the history and development of the English Language.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/09/2023 15:38

I can't believe the OP is still getting earnest replies and being told to open their mind. Surely their last post must have jumped the shark?

marblesthecat · 08/09/2023 15:48

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/09/2023 15:38

I can't believe the OP is still getting earnest replies and being told to open their mind. Surely their last post must have jumped the shark?

Yeah...her last post really was something else.

RobertaFirmino · 08/09/2023 15:49

OP, I expect you'd think my accent puts me amongst the lowest of the low. I am proud of it. It's an accent that developed from my city of birth being a place where all were welcome. Where nobody looked down on others because of the way they spoke. Where immigrants successfully integrated with the locals.

I am proud of where I came from and see no reason to try and hide it. Especially not for some snobby mare.

678somean · 08/09/2023 15:50

Technonan · 08/09/2023 15:34

Someone has probably already said this, so apologies if I am repeating things. Regional acents have roots that lie in earlier forms of English - they don't represent a 'fall from grace', they represent a different starting point. The different dialects of English have roots in forms of English that were often not mutually comprehensible, from the times when what we now call England (and a fair bit of Scotland) was divided up into several different kingdoms.

RP is an accent, not a dialect, and is relatively recent. It developed from the East Midlands accent in the 15th century. The East Midlands accent was associated with the centres of learning - Oxford and Cambridge, and was associated with London, the capital, so it gained prestige, but it didn't gain the (lessening) prestige is has now until the end of the 18th century.

It's just another accent. In earlier periods, different parts of Britain were the centres of power, particularly the Kingdom of Northumbria that contained the East Yorkshire ports, the great cathedral of Durham, and stretched a fair way into Scotland. If it hadn't fallen, we might well be seeing Geordie as the 'best' way to speak.

Is it snobbish to prefer RP? Probably, but more importantly, it suggests someone who is deeply ill-informed about the history and development of the English Language.

I read your whole post and I truly rate you.
You mentioned a lot of things that I didn't know about.
I thank you for educating me. These are the kind of responses that I value rather than people just bashing me with no real reason or explanation.

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678somean · 08/09/2023 15:51

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/09/2023 15:38

I can't believe the OP is still getting earnest replies and being told to open their mind. Surely their last post must have jumped the shark?

So many assumptions. Who said I was a she?

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marblesthecat · 08/09/2023 15:54

These are the kind of responses that I value rather than people just bashing me with no real reason or explanation.

No real reason or explanation? You have said that anyone without an RP accent "sounds thick" and referred to people criticising you as "lower class".

678somean · 08/09/2023 15:54

RobertaFirmino · 08/09/2023 15:49

OP, I expect you'd think my accent puts me amongst the lowest of the low. I am proud of it. It's an accent that developed from my city of birth being a place where all were welcome. Where nobody looked down on others because of the way they spoke. Where immigrants successfully integrated with the locals.

I am proud of where I came from and see no reason to try and hide it. Especially not for some snobby mare.

But why do you assume I'm a snobby mare?
My post was just a question.
From my experience only a northerner would call someone a 'mare'😂

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678somean · 08/09/2023 15:56

JaninaDuszejko · 08/09/2023 15:24

If the OP could tell the difference between a Milngavie and a Muirhouse accent I'm sure she'd judge Scottish accents as harshly as she judges English accents. As it is Scots in England have a classless status that can be useful at times.

I don't claim to know anything about Scots. I'd love to though.

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marblesthecat · 08/09/2023 16:02

You're being very disingenuous now.
a) Most MN users are women so people are going to assume you are too unless you state otherwise.
b) As for "my post was only a question", you've insulted a huge demographic of people. You didn't say "Certain accents are discriminated against" you said anyone without an RP accent "sounds thick" and then when people naturally felt insulted, you said that all of the people getting offended were "northerners and lower class southerners which only reinforced your point". Can you not see why people wouldn't take kindly to being called lower class?

Davros · 08/09/2023 16:07

I'm from London, went to a private school but do not have a "posh" accent. I've experienced plenty of prejudice because of my accent and (slang) vocabulary. I think everyone in England should speak and sound like moi.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/09/2023 16:07

678somean · 08/09/2023 15:51

So many assumptions. Who said I was a she?

Except I didn't call you a she! Point out the word she in my post - you won't be able to.

Poor reading comprehension. Even trolls go to school, surely?