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To not have spoken to my Mum?

55 replies

Treepigeon · 30/08/2023 08:52

5 weeks ago I had a falling out with my Mum.

For back context the relationship is often quite strained. There is a lot of back trauma around my childhood she will not acknowledge. She was an emotionally absent parent and I was pretty much left to get on with things myself which led to finding myself in some very damaging situations as a teenager such as being very drunk and manipulated around boys and men that sexually abused me. Situations I should have been protected from. I was heavily bullied at school to the point I attempted suicide at 15, (I was sent to hospital alone with my Dad saying if I was going to kill myself I should do it properly) and my parents refused to move me because "I would get bullied anywhere I was that kind of kid". My mum even let my sister invite my bullies into my home to hang out. I have tried talking to her about this many times. She gets angry and blames me. I have stopped trying to talk to her about it.

For more context my middle sister is a gambling addict who has stolen and gambled thousands off my Mum and yet my Mum defends and mollycoddles and treats her like the favourite child.

Also my little sister had a baby a year ago my family dote on.

So 5 weeks ago I rang my Mum (I would ring her most days) and we were talking. She said "oh btw I haven't got DD a birthday present this year" (DD turned 8 a week before). This is a month after my DS birthday he also received nothing and no acknowledgement from my Mum it was their birthday other then a Facebook post which obviously they don't see as they are children without Facebook. This happened last year but my mum did get them something just made no effort to give it to them for 6 months. I went quiet. She asked me what was wrong.

I said it made me sad. That this year DS had asked why Nanny doesn't remember their birthdays. She said she was skint and I was selfish. I said it's the thought that counts not the amount spend. She didn't need to spend much at all just sending them a colouring book (which you can buy in b and m for a quid) with a card would be more then enough. It's just showing the kids she cares on their birthday. It's the thought that counts. Also she bought my niece plenty for hers.

I also said it made me sad as she fusses around my niece. Constantly posting "Nanny loves you" posts on Facebook (to the point my DHs mum even mentioned to my DH that she thought it was odd how often my Mum posts about my niece and never even mentions my 3 kids) but can't even call my kids. I said they ask me about her loads but she refuses to video call them because the kids end up putting filters on and my mum says she "doesn't want to use stupid filters".

I said it makes me sad that she has never helped me, not even when I was in desperate need, for example needing childcare while I had a C-section my Mum agreed then phoned my DH and made him leave the hospital and me alone to come get my DS because he was crying and when I had HG and couldn't get out of bed I was so ill in and out of hospital and my DH was told he was going to loose his job if he had to keep taking time off but she wouldn't help even for a few hours occasionally. I basically parent without any family support and yet she offered and looks after my niece while my little sister goes to work so she doesn't have to pay for a childminder and while she goes out drinking with her friends. Mum always has my niece. It just feels unfair. I have really struggled at times and have had to just accept Mum won't ever help despite my Mum having significant family support when we were growing up and yet she constantly helps my sister.

She got angry and defensive. I said I was only talking to her about this because she asked me what was wrong and maybe she could just listen and take some of it on board as not only does it make me feel sad my kids are noticing now. She said I was self absorbed. That it's different with my sister as she is young (she's not actually any younger then I was when I had my first child mum just babies her).

I ended up hanging up.

That was 5 weeks ago. Not heard anything and this is the longest time I have ever not spoken to her.
If I call she will expect me to apologise and say I was wrong and I expect to much before she will even speak to me. In the past I have always done this.

This time I don't want to. I don't think I was in the wrong and I only talked to her about it as she noticed me go quiet on the phone and asked me what was wrong.

DH thinks I shouldn't bother. He says my family cause me so much hurt and upset and I have had to spend my entire adult life trying to undo the damage of my neglectful childhood. He thinks I should leave them to it and focus on our family.

So is it me that is unreasonable thinking my Mum could just acknowledge my kids birthdays to them and for thinking that the difference in the amount of help she offers me sister compared to me is unfair or is she the one that is unreasonable?

Should I call her and apologise to smooth over the relationship knowing nothing will change or not?

OP posts:
PinkCherryBlossoms · 30/08/2023 08:54

I can't see why you'd apologise.

Whataretheodds · 30/08/2023 08:56

Sounded as though you said what needed to be said.

I can see that the longer time goes on the more tempting it may be to call her and apologise but what's that going to do? Just get you back in the cycle of feeling unloved and 2nd best.

I'm sorry you're not getting the thought, time and attention from your mum. It must be hard.

Hang in there. You sound like a great mum.

billyt · 30/08/2023 08:57

@Treepigeon

you are definitely not being unreasonable.

Your husband is spot on. Your are wasting your life expecting someone like your mother to apologise. She doesn't think she's done anything wrong and never will.

If you call and apologise, even though what you said was totally correct, and you were very right in saying it to her, then she's won again. And it may 'smooth' the relationship for a short while, but your pain will still be there and she'll only do it again

Stay NC and enjoy your life with the family who care about you and love you.

billy1966 · 30/08/2023 08:58

OP,

Your mother is awful.

She adds nothing to your life or your children.

Do not contact her.

Focus on your family.

Get some counselling if you feel it might help.

Stop the merry-go-round of contactvwith someone who behaves badly and causes you pain.

Mind yourself and stay away from all the drama.

For yourself and your family.

CandyLeBonBon · 30/08/2023 09:02

Op I sympathise. Dont apologies to her. Take a look at the stately homes threads and see if you can self refer to time to talk for sone counselling. Flowers

Treepigeon · 30/08/2023 09:13

Thanks for your replies.

I didn't know if I was just expecting too much but your replies have confirmed that my gut feeling is right about it even though it makes me feel sad

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MummyJ36 · 30/08/2023 09:18

OP someone like that is never going to to change. I know how hard it is to constantly hold out hope that they will change but form experience they will just double down and it will be worse. The best thing you can do is try and move on. If she calls and apologises then great but I think you will find it surprisingly freeing to let go for a bit and drop any expectations.

determinedtomakethiswork · 30/08/2023 09:19

Please don't contact her. She is waiting for that so that you can apologise and she can blame you and not feel any guilt of the awful way she's treated you.

You have done absolutely nothing wrong. She has been an appalling parent given what you say. Don't even think of apologising to her.

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 30/08/2023 09:26

Just adding my voice to the 'do not apologise' crowd.

You have done nothing wrong.

And yes, unfortunately, your mum will not change. But you have the choice to not put up with her behaviour anymore.

jannier · 30/08/2023 09:29

You've grown up with emotional abuse and neglect no need to let it continue, make a new life cut that cancer out. Obviously your parents and sister have issues and feed off of whatever is going on. Move forward and get counselling if you need to your children don't need this in their lives.

Conkersinautumn · 30/08/2023 09:36

You need to break free. She's never going to change, you can only stop being disappointed by closing off your hopes. I no longer expect anything from my mother and i no longer agonise or try to create the relationship i would like with her. It hasn't been easy, but I am liberated. It's on her. She was the adult who wasn't there for you, it's not you. It's her failing, you don't owe her loyalty, she wasted 18 years to grow your respect.

Motomum23 · 30/08/2023 09:40

Honestly coming from someone who lived a similar life - PTSD from rape at 17 and my mum told me to f off and die when I attempted suicide and my dad told me it wasn't that bad I could have been injured! The best thing you can do is cut out the toxicity for a while and then if you reintroduce it its on your terms. I went NC with my entire family at 17 and had 4 kids before I allowed my mum back into my life - from a distance. Even now I struggle because I know she will never be the mum I wanted or needed - OP it makes you a better parent to know you will never treat your kids the same way, so I promise good does come out of it.
Every time she does something which I don't like I stop talking to her for a few months. It's healing to take control of the relationship - let go of the anger, pain and expectation. Don't allow her to mentally abuse your kids - if they ask about her just say she's not very kind and we can learn from her to be kinder. My oldest kids now know that part of the reason we don't think see my mum is be ause she took great pleasure in grabbing me by the hair and bashing my head jnto a wall, or my other sisters head. They'll never know the full extent of it obviously.

EvilElsa · 30/08/2023 09:42

I wouldn't call again or apologise.
Your DH is right. What DO you get out of the relationship? It makes you really sad.
DH went NC with his parents years ago (FIL now dead) and honestly never regretted it and felt so much more relaxed and worry free.

PrinceHaz · 30/08/2023 09:47

Sounds like it needs to be a no contact situation. She’s not good for your mental health. If you do have to speak and she brings this up, be strong. Have a script ready in your mind. You stand by what you said and you do not need to apologise.

WhatNoRaisins · 30/08/2023 09:51

This is like that saying "you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear". Your mother doesn't sound like a nice person and nothing you do will turn her into the mother figure you need. I think your DH has the measure of her and I'd only apologise if you think it will make you feel better, it's not going to change anything.

BashCandicoot · 30/08/2023 09:55

Your mother is a terrible mother and an awful human being. Ditch her and don’t look back.

Scaryghost · 30/08/2023 09:56

OP I could have wrote your childhood/teen years word for word. Also the part where your mother won’t accept any hand in it. She would offer to have ds when I had work then say no on the morning, acting like a child and kicking off on wedding days and birthday parties etc etc etc.

I went no contact 5 years ago. We started a strained relationship again about 10 months ago. I say strained- we text once every 6 weeks or so. She never phoned my dc (18 & 23) on their birthdays, nor for exam results or acceptance to university, even though I told her. The kids really don’t care now to be honest.

My view is she had her chance over and over again and blew it. Now I make my own happiness with my family, never making the mistakes she did, and I/We are so much more happier for it.

Thelonelygiraffe · 30/08/2023 10:00

Your dh is totally right. Take his advice. Focus on yourself and your happiness. Your 'mum' sounds selfish, self absorbed, totally lacking self-awareness and pretty horrible. You sounds lovely, and you deserve much better.

SafferUpNorth · 30/08/2023 10:05

Your mother is toxic. Cut all ties, focus on your own family and your own recovery and never look back.

Inkpotlover · 30/08/2023 10:08

Don’t apologise. Your DM knows exactly what she’s doing - she’s baiting you for sport. There is a certain type of narcissistic parent that gets off on being cruel to just one of their kids and playing them off against each other. Your DM has been doing this your entire life and it’s time to break that cycle. Stay NC and be happy and thrive with your own little family.

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 10:11

YANBU X

RantyAnty · 30/08/2023 10:15

Your parents are a toxic trashy train wreck.

Keep the NC and get some good therapy.

WorseDecision · 30/08/2023 10:16

Your mum knows what she's doing, she's purposely causing drama. Don't ring her back, don't apologise leave the ball her in her court.

My MIL behaves the same, best way for peace of mind is no contact.

Liann811 · 30/08/2023 10:17

First off I'm sending you massive hugs and I'm sorry to say but I think your husband is right she is never to acknowledge what she currently does and what she did in the past. To me it seems you are going to have nothing but heartache if you reach out and do something you shouldn't have to do (say sorry just to make contact). I've been and still am where you are and it's so hard not to pick up the phone at times just to hear a voice . I'm here if you ever want to talk.

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