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To not have spoken to my Mum?

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Treepigeon · 30/08/2023 08:52

5 weeks ago I had a falling out with my Mum.

For back context the relationship is often quite strained. There is a lot of back trauma around my childhood she will not acknowledge. She was an emotionally absent parent and I was pretty much left to get on with things myself which led to finding myself in some very damaging situations as a teenager such as being very drunk and manipulated around boys and men that sexually abused me. Situations I should have been protected from. I was heavily bullied at school to the point I attempted suicide at 15, (I was sent to hospital alone with my Dad saying if I was going to kill myself I should do it properly) and my parents refused to move me because "I would get bullied anywhere I was that kind of kid". My mum even let my sister invite my bullies into my home to hang out. I have tried talking to her about this many times. She gets angry and blames me. I have stopped trying to talk to her about it.

For more context my middle sister is a gambling addict who has stolen and gambled thousands off my Mum and yet my Mum defends and mollycoddles and treats her like the favourite child.

Also my little sister had a baby a year ago my family dote on.

So 5 weeks ago I rang my Mum (I would ring her most days) and we were talking. She said "oh btw I haven't got DD a birthday present this year" (DD turned 8 a week before). This is a month after my DS birthday he also received nothing and no acknowledgement from my Mum it was their birthday other then a Facebook post which obviously they don't see as they are children without Facebook. This happened last year but my mum did get them something just made no effort to give it to them for 6 months. I went quiet. She asked me what was wrong.

I said it made me sad. That this year DS had asked why Nanny doesn't remember their birthdays. She said she was skint and I was selfish. I said it's the thought that counts not the amount spend. She didn't need to spend much at all just sending them a colouring book (which you can buy in b and m for a quid) with a card would be more then enough. It's just showing the kids she cares on their birthday. It's the thought that counts. Also she bought my niece plenty for hers.

I also said it made me sad as she fusses around my niece. Constantly posting "Nanny loves you" posts on Facebook (to the point my DHs mum even mentioned to my DH that she thought it was odd how often my Mum posts about my niece and never even mentions my 3 kids) but can't even call my kids. I said they ask me about her loads but she refuses to video call them because the kids end up putting filters on and my mum says she "doesn't want to use stupid filters".

I said it makes me sad that she has never helped me, not even when I was in desperate need, for example needing childcare while I had a C-section my Mum agreed then phoned my DH and made him leave the hospital and me alone to come get my DS because he was crying and when I had HG and couldn't get out of bed I was so ill in and out of hospital and my DH was told he was going to loose his job if he had to keep taking time off but she wouldn't help even for a few hours occasionally. I basically parent without any family support and yet she offered and looks after my niece while my little sister goes to work so she doesn't have to pay for a childminder and while she goes out drinking with her friends. Mum always has my niece. It just feels unfair. I have really struggled at times and have had to just accept Mum won't ever help despite my Mum having significant family support when we were growing up and yet she constantly helps my sister.

She got angry and defensive. I said I was only talking to her about this because she asked me what was wrong and maybe she could just listen and take some of it on board as not only does it make me feel sad my kids are noticing now. She said I was self absorbed. That it's different with my sister as she is young (she's not actually any younger then I was when I had my first child mum just babies her).

I ended up hanging up.

That was 5 weeks ago. Not heard anything and this is the longest time I have ever not spoken to her.
If I call she will expect me to apologise and say I was wrong and I expect to much before she will even speak to me. In the past I have always done this.

This time I don't want to. I don't think I was in the wrong and I only talked to her about it as she noticed me go quiet on the phone and asked me what was wrong.

DH thinks I shouldn't bother. He says my family cause me so much hurt and upset and I have had to spend my entire adult life trying to undo the damage of my neglectful childhood. He thinks I should leave them to it and focus on our family.

So is it me that is unreasonable thinking my Mum could just acknowledge my kids birthdays to them and for thinking that the difference in the amount of help she offers me sister compared to me is unfair or is she the one that is unreasonable?

Should I call her and apologise to smooth over the relationship knowing nothing will change or not?

OP posts:
Mmhmmn · 30/08/2023 10:23

billy1966 · 30/08/2023 08:58

OP,

Your mother is awful.

She adds nothing to your life or your children.

Do not contact her.

Focus on your family.

Get some counselling if you feel it might help.

Stop the merry-go-round of contactvwith someone who behaves badly and causes you pain.

Mind yourself and stay away from all the drama.

For yourself and your family.

Agree with all of this. You are definitely not being unreasonable, far from it. You've tried to get on with it and you've tried explaining but your mum is just not a mum to you - or a nice person. Her fault not yours. It doesn't sound like she brings anything positive to your life..?

ImTheBakerLiteGirl · 30/08/2023 10:29

You call and apologise - then what happens? She carries on thinking (and she will be right) that SHE and HER feelings are more important than your children's are.

Why on earth would you allow her to keep thinking that?

If you wont stand up for yourself - because she has trained you not to - then PLEASE stand up for your children and force her to realise her behaviour is disgusting in the way she treats them.

Low or no contact, but tell her exactly why.

Bonbon21 · 30/08/2023 10:29

Would you accept and excuse this behaviour from any other person?
You have to earn respect and she hasn't.
Let it go... your kids will understand that this is ALL on her and you are safeguarding them from the pain and neglect she has inflicted on you now and when growing up.

JemOfAWoman · 30/08/2023 10:33

You are doing the right thing! I always had issues with my mum growing up, and ended up in counselling after a complete meltdown at work when a colleague was rude towards me ( it was so insignificant but clearly the straw that broke the camels back!)

During counselling I realised that my mum wasn't the mum I needed and she was never going to be that person. I stopped trying to make her so, took a massive step backwards and reduced contact significantly.

She was never going to see my perspective or listen to me so I wrote her a letter and filed it away. Just that simple act helped me enormously. She died a few years ago and whilst I'm sad that I don't miss her, my life is easier emotionally.

Bit of advice - mute or block your sister & mum on fb so you don't see the constant nonsense!

You have this!

Holidayhouse1010 · 30/08/2023 10:46

Just cut them off. Your children are your main focus now and your mother has upset them.
My mother is the same, down to the insistance that I MUST share my hard earned money with my drug addict sibling and randomly missing children's birthdays. I've just stopped answering the phone or calling. Its been six months and my mother hasn't called. Despite being a single parent with very few friends and little money I feel so much happier.

I try not to think of my family because it does hurt when I see all the other families out together and its just me and DC. I'd love some of the help or emotional support that others just have, but I can do that for my DC and break the cycle.

Treepigeon · 30/08/2023 10:55

Thank you for all your replies.

Yes as people say, I get absolutely nothing out of the relationship with my Mum - just sadness, disappointment and stress.

She can't see a problem at all with our childhood, insisting she wasn't neglectful because she was a stay at home mum (so we were not "latch and key kids" as she calls it) and we were physically cared for in that we were fed and clean but emotionally I look back and and I just think wtf. I felt unloved because that was what was shown to me from a very young age, both parents had zero interest in us and we're not there to help us emotionally in anyway and by the time I became a teenager their lack of interest had dwindled to the point I received no parental support and I'm shocked at some of the situations I was left to get into then shamed and blamed for. I think about some of the things said to me as a child and it's no wonder I have struggled with low self worth as an adult.

I have tried to put that aside to have a relationship with her but I have been gradually worn down by her making it very obvious I am her least favourite child for reasons I don't even understand and this has extended to damaging the relationships I have with my sisters.

But this time my kids have commented and are upset and I feel like that's a final straw. I don't want them growing up thinking they are the least favourite grandkids of Nanny's least favourite child. It's messed up.

How many times can you try and give someone a chance. Honestly I don't think she even wants one. She just wants to be the victim.

I am not going to call and apologise I don't think. You are right it's just really bad for my mental health to do that and nothing will change if I do.

OP posts:
wineschmine · 30/08/2023 10:58

Move on, your family sound dreadful.

Sorry Flowers

EyOopDucky · 30/08/2023 11:01

Walk away sweetheart, don't waste your life hoping for her to change
She won't

Ruthlessaunt · 30/08/2023 11:28

OP my mum could have wrote your post when me and my sister were younger. I wish she could have gone no contact with my grandmother, when we were younger we would hear my mother cry and sob asking why she was not loved like my aunt and what she had done wrong when she was a child. It's affected my mums mental health to such extremes that I don't recognise her. We now know my grandmother is a narcissist, my grandmother treats me like she does with my mum, but I am low contact with her.

Unless you're mum apologises and changes herself so that she treats you and your kids better, it is best to go no contact.

ilovemydogmore · 30/08/2023 11:34

I'm with your DH, it's really difficult to watch someone try and try and invest emotionally in relationships that you know only end in upset. Take a break from her, and never apologise for what you said.

jannier · 30/08/2023 11:36

Treepigeon · 30/08/2023 10:55

Thank you for all your replies.

Yes as people say, I get absolutely nothing out of the relationship with my Mum - just sadness, disappointment and stress.

She can't see a problem at all with our childhood, insisting she wasn't neglectful because she was a stay at home mum (so we were not "latch and key kids" as she calls it) and we were physically cared for in that we were fed and clean but emotionally I look back and and I just think wtf. I felt unloved because that was what was shown to me from a very young age, both parents had zero interest in us and we're not there to help us emotionally in anyway and by the time I became a teenager their lack of interest had dwindled to the point I received no parental support and I'm shocked at some of the situations I was left to get into then shamed and blamed for. I think about some of the things said to me as a child and it's no wonder I have struggled with low self worth as an adult.

I have tried to put that aside to have a relationship with her but I have been gradually worn down by her making it very obvious I am her least favourite child for reasons I don't even understand and this has extended to damaging the relationships I have with my sisters.

But this time my kids have commented and are upset and I feel like that's a final straw. I don't want them growing up thinking they are the least favourite grandkids of Nanny's least favourite child. It's messed up.

How many times can you try and give someone a chance. Honestly I don't think she even wants one. She just wants to be the victim.

I am not going to call and apologise I don't think. You are right it's just really bad for my mental health to do that and nothing will change if I do.

Well done it's the right choice

billy1966 · 30/08/2023 12:00

Good for you.

By protecting your children from her you are doing the right thing by them.

They are all that counts.

She doesn't deserve a presence in their lives.

Mind yourself.

FictionalCharacter · 30/08/2023 12:04

You shouldn't be apologising when she's the one who is behaving in such a nasty and hurtful way. Your dh is right. It's sad but you're not going to get through to her. Given the opportunity, she'll hurt you and your children again and again. It isn't your fault, it's just who she is.

mosiacmaker · 30/08/2023 12:15

Your parents sound horrible and I don’t know why you have been calling and talking to your mother every day. My own mother is completely lovely and I speak to her once every 2 weeks or so.

It sounds like you’ve got a lot to process with your parents and need more boundaries in place to protect yourself and your children. Eg you’ve obviously made your children view your mum as a special person in their lives if they’ve noticed she doesn’t bother with birthdays? But why would you do this if all evidence shows that your mum will not be there for you or your kids.

It seems like you’re hoping she will change if you’re nice and loving enough, which is understandable but only setting you up for hurt.

It sounds like you’ve been raised in a really toxic environment and are consequently fawning and people pleasing to get the love that you should have received as a child.

But you need to self heal now and move forward. I would seek therapy if I were you otherwise you risk recreating these toxic dynamics in your own family. Sending lots of love as none of this is your fault. X

mosiacmaker · 30/08/2023 12:18

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/08/2023 12:25

The only person who should be apologising in this case is your mother, @Treepigeon - you have done nothing wrong. In fact, you have done something pretty amazing, by telling her so clearly how unacceptable her behaviour is - standing up for yourself and for your children.

I plastered over the cracks with my mum - she was nowhere near as bad as yours, but there are things from my childhood that still hurt to this day. I wish I had had your bravery, but she died in March, so that ship has sailed. In the last months, she talked about how close she was to both my sister and to me, and how proud she was of that good relationship with us, and I just bit my lip.

But I do think I am a better mother because of her - I parented very differently to her, and basically I learned from her what not to do. It's not exactly a silver lining, but it's the best I've got.

GalaApples · 30/08/2023 12:43

Oh OP sending you a big hug. Be brave, stand firm in belief that you are a good and great person and should never have ben treated as you were. Your DH is right, and so are all those on here who say do not apologise or ring her. Sometimes families and family members are so toxic that you have to go NC in order to survive psychologically. I think you are in this territory because the more you try and engage, the worse you will go on feeling. You cannot change anyone else, only yourself, and your M is not going to change. Do not involve yourself or your children's lives with her any more. It is hard, you will feel sad and angry sometimes, but it is right to look after your own needs now and those of your children. And you will start to feel so much better without this in your lives. Thinking of you. Flowers

Treepigeon · 30/08/2023 12:44

mosiacmaker · 30/08/2023 12:15

Your parents sound horrible and I don’t know why you have been calling and talking to your mother every day. My own mother is completely lovely and I speak to her once every 2 weeks or so.

It sounds like you’ve got a lot to process with your parents and need more boundaries in place to protect yourself and your children. Eg you’ve obviously made your children view your mum as a special person in their lives if they’ve noticed she doesn’t bother with birthdays? But why would you do this if all evidence shows that your mum will not be there for you or your kids.

It seems like you’re hoping she will change if you’re nice and loving enough, which is understandable but only setting you up for hurt.

It sounds like you’ve been raised in a really toxic environment and are consequently fawning and people pleasing to get the love that you should have received as a child.

But you need to self heal now and move forward. I would seek therapy if I were you otherwise you risk recreating these toxic dynamics in your own family. Sending lots of love as none of this is your fault. X

To be completely honest I don't have any reasonable answers to this. I don't know why I have called her every day since I moved out and I am not sure why I have tried to make my parents important people in my kids lives. I think I have an attachment issue with them maybe on reflection. I moved out when I was just turned 17 because home was awful and I had no life skills as noone had taught be anything, didn't pass many GCSES, and was really quite mentally ill, and I rang home sometimes several times a day and then have generally called every day or every other day since and I am 36 now :-/ my mum never contacts me. I clearly need to get therapy about this issue I think.

I have no idea why in hindsight it seems really stupid considering.
My own Grandparents were a huge part of my life and I guess I wanted that for my kids. But I mean that's ridiculous because they were never going to be that.

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twinkie100 · 30/08/2023 13:11

Just to send love and sympathy. Don't call her - for your sake, for your kids sake. Let go of all the guilt you feel about not calling her and just be free. Sounds like it's time to go no contact
Flowers xx

TheWayoftheLeaf · 30/08/2023 13:22

Your sister is the golden child. You are the scapegoat. Classic narcissistic mother.

She will never see otherwise. Don't apologise. You've been abused

ImTheBakerLiteGirl · 30/08/2023 13:42

I am not going to call and apologise I don't think

Please be more sure than "I don't think". Don't waver AT ALL. Your children need protection from your family (as do you, but that is your own choice) and only YOU can provide that for them.

SlippinJanie · 30/08/2023 13:47

My god, I do feel for you. What a vile woman your mother is. You're the family scapegoat & you have been treated appallingly. And you still are being treated appallingly & you always will be if you continue to have contact with them. Nothing will change if you don't change it.

You've been phoning your mother every day just to feel the normal amount of indifference & scorn that you've always had from her. There's no love there. Never was & never will be.

Cut them all out of your life, you'll be so much happier. Concentrate on your own lovely family & stop hoping for something your mum (and sisters, I think) are utterly incapable of giving you.

I wish you all the best for a much happier future.

Gilmorehill · 30/08/2023 13:48

Your dm sounds awful and it will be better for your dcs if you keep your distance from her and expect nothing. I know it will be very hard for you but you will be happier in the long run.

TheUsualChaos · 30/08/2023 13:52

I agree with you DH. She doesn't deserve to have any of you in her life. Now you have seen her true colours, your job is to protect the DC from her poison.

MissFancyDay · 30/08/2023 13:57

Yes please don't apologise OP. Don't taint your precious family with their toxicity.

You have escaped and created the life for your children that you deserved and didn't get. Time to cut them off now, you will feel a burden lifted. Good wishes x