...to think teachers DO get paid over the holidays?

[MasterBeth]

It doesn't make sense to me.

Some people say teachers don't get paid over the holidays. They are paid, they say, for 40 weeks, but their money is aggregated over 52 weeks and paid monthly.

What does that even mean? How is it (practically) any different to being paid (less per week) for 52 weeks?

Opinions, not evidence. This is quite a murky issue evidently, but here’s one point of contact: if teachers’ contracts follow the Burgundy Book, (most do I think), any days of unpaid leave- such as a strike day- result in a 1/365 salary deduction. Evidence, I would say, that we are paid for the entire year, and that 13 weeks are paid holidays. Also, I reiterate that “term time only” and “pro rata” do not feature in teacher’s contracts.
The holidays are just that though- holidays. I feel that teachers are misled to feel that they “should” be working during some of their holidays, when they work damn hard during term time and deserve the rest.

So when you hear teachers complaining about marking and prep work at weekends and during holidays, they are complaining about doing work that they are paid to do?

Presumably more complaining that the way their directed time is directed and expectations of teachers’ responsibilities are regularly expanded, results in an unreasonable quantity of knock-on, but supposedly “undirected” time hours. Undirected is not the same thing as optional. If you have a fixed number of directed time hours, but an unlimited amount of effectively obligatory, but supposedly undirected, time hours, then you are suffering from unreasonable expectations. The marking and prep work all weekend may not be the teacher’s choice of quantity or timing of either activity, but may instead, eg, be due to school policies on homework setting and marking, or new expectations inflicted on them by SLT or the DfE which cannot be done on any day of the year, but do have to be completed during supposedly “undirected” time (so long as that undirected time is now…).

I don’t know a single other profession that constantly whines about how much harder they work than anyone else and how unfair it is

We get 28 days paid holiday.

Why did you resurrect an old thread? You must have searched this out to find it - seems an odd thing to do.

Why do so many teachers whinge and whine about their jobs? Many people have jobs they don't particularly like, but they just suck it up and get on with it, or quit and get another job.

If they "constantly whine" it's a bit odd that they haven't posted on this thread since 2023

ah yes. Because this is the only thread on the whole internet where teachers are crying about how unfortunate they are

It came up on Facebook and I didn’t check the date.

Gosh I didn't realise Mumsnet posters were responsible for the entire contents of the internet now.

I don’t know if you’re deliberately misunderstanding me, or if you simply have poor reading comprehension. Either way, that has nothing to do with what I said

Poor reading comprehension? From someone who didn't notice a thread was 3 years old!

Again, attention to detail and reading comprehension are not the same thing. And if you actually had a point you wouldn’t be going off on one

You just came on this ancient thread to shit stir. Your post doesn't even relate to the question in the OP.

And you apparently want to argue because… I actually don’t know. It’s a bit weird really that you’re trying to start an argument with a stranger with no actual points to make. Perhaps you just need to have the last word so you can feel like you “won” so go ahead. I won’t be replying again.

To be fair it looks like you started the argument today.

To be fair, I disagree. I responded to a comment without checking the date, they didn’t like it and made a snarky response and I snarked back.

I’m not sure why you feel the need to get involved, but again, you’re embarrassingly trying to fight an internet stranger.

Your response was pretty spiky though. It's not like you were just passing the time of day, you responded to stir the argument, irrespective of how long ago the argument went quiet.
Your whole post there is kind of odd. What were you doing if not arguing with strangers.

And yet, rather like this situation with you, I was responding to a comment that had nothing to do with the other person. It wasn’t their comment, they simply didn’t like my opinion and snarked. They engaged with me. Rather like you are now. I won’t reply any further. Suffice to say I believe you to be wrong, and also trying to provoke an argument because you don’t like my opinion.

Teachers - if you don't like your job, quit and do something else.

No I wouldn't want to, or be able to be, a teacher. But that's why I didn't go into that profession.

If all the moaning teachers quit on the spot tomorrow, the government would have to do something. But just going to work and moaning about it isn't going to achieve anything except getting people's backs up.

@OonaStubbs
You seem oblivious to the fact that many teachers are leaving the profession because it is ‘that bad’
Have you been living under a rock? 🙄 Many schools have been without teachers for multiple terms. The government is well aware of this fact but their answer is to offer financial incentives to attract new recruits and they seem to be in complete denial about the retention crisis. It’s all a bit pointless recruiting more teachers if they are leaving within 5 years because it’s horrifically shit!
I am one of many who has left and I’m sorry to disappoint you but my non teaching job is a million times better than teaching and significantly less stressful. Unless you’ve ever been a teacher then you can’t possibly have the faintest idea how bad it is.

I’m a teacher - I like my job. I’m not posting on a thread to moan about it. What I will moan about is why people feel they can slag off teachers constantly? I might be wrong but I don’t see regular threads goading and making clear snide comments at other professions.

In response to the actual post, teachers
‘directed time in England and Wales is the maximum of 1,265 hours per year, over 195 days, that a teacher can be required to work by their headteacher.’

So we get paid for 1265 hours per year. The expectation is that all work should be done in that time. I’m lucky in that at my school, I am often able to get my work done in that time so only end up working for a few hours in the holidays. This doesn’t change that I’m getting paid for 1265 hours, NOT the holidays. It is just spread across the holidays, like people who are paid monthly don’t get paid for weekends yet still receive a monthly wage.

This is so funny! It's a public forum not a private message.

Seems to me that teachers (and junior doctors, nurses, ....) are in roles which are king stressful, and the only thing that anyone in the civil service or HMG can think of to make them happier is to give them more money, of which there is little. And then we get the drama of the union vs the government, strikes and drama arguing over how much until everyone believes that money really is the issue.

I don't work in a school, I manage a foundry and it is years since I have had a pay raise request from anyone, I fought tooth and nail to get everyone on reasonable salaries about 4 years ago and spent the rest of my time keeping the teams happy and engaged. If it was me I'd be wanting to look at reducing the out of hours working time and improving behaviour of the country's school children