Women should be prevented from drug taking in pregnancy

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I have just come back from a holiday with my nephew's who were exposed to drugs in utero (adopted). I'm also a school teacher who has taught drug and alcohol exposed children.

Seeing the challenges they face made me think why on earth it is allowed.

If you hurt your child every day when they are 6 months, 2 years, 5 years old then they are removed from your care. Why are you allowed to hurt an unborn baby? If a woman is known to take drugs or daily alcohol, then why is she not taken into a protective custody in a hospital/ secure unit for the remainder of the pregnancy to prevent her harming the child?

Only once that foetus is viable and able to survive outside the womb though, which rarely happens before 24 weeks, the deadline of 24 weeks for abortion.

Not everyone has a life where they are willing or able to accept a child they did not plan. Much better to end the pregnancy that subject a child to a difficult life.

Don't try and tell me I don't understand what abortion is. I've had to end a very much wanted pregnancy for health reasons (my own). If I was asked to pick between my life and health, my living children's well being or a cluster of cells / foetus that won't survive outside of me I know who I'm picking

@NameChangeEmbarressed a baby can't survive without a human for like 5 years.

It can't feed itself etc.

I cbf to continue this disconnect.

Quite simple the pregnant woman makes the decision to end the life of the baby. It's her choice, she takes the pills, she ends the life. If she didn't than the pregnant would progress and she could have given the baby to someone else who's willing to look after the baby.

If babies are only "viable" outside the womb why are we punishing women who leave their baby in dumpsters. Or that woman who ended the life of her 34 week old.

Remember Abortion is only "acceptable" based on how "wanted" the baby is.

Miscarriage - bad.
Abortion - so good and no negative affect on the woman.

And any woman who was raped removed about 1% of the abortion debate,

An actual person can survive on their own without a host.
An actual person is called a person, not a foetus.
An actual person has rights, a foetus before 24 weeks has none.

Just came along to say that these are quite literally the weakest arguments as to why a fetus isn't a person, or why it shouldn't be viewed as a person

Yea it's awful and anyone knowingly taking drugs and alcohol should be prevented from harming their child.

But as abortion exists than anything growing inside the woman won't exist as what it is..... a baby:

A baby can be formula fed and cared for by any appropriate adult, the same can't be said for a foetus.

It's about choice and women having choices when it comes to their own bodies. A miscarriage happens to a woman, she doesn't make the choice to have a miscarriage but an abortion is a choice some women make.

Fuck me, it takes a nasty piece of work to say those things to someone who has told you they have had to end a much wanted pregnancy.

Women are penalised for "dumping babies in dumpsters" because child abandonment is a crime.

There is no comparison between abandoning a full term infant and leaving it to die and having an abortion before a foetus can survive outside the woman.

Anyone who thinks the two things are the same needs give their head a wobble

Who said it isn’t real?

I can fully and happily acknowledge that a fetus is human life (it’s not a person, which is a legal designation assigned at birth), and that ending a pregnancy is ending that life. I still support it though (and indeed have had an abortion myself), because I don’t in fact believe that to be the most important consideration. Women have been having abortions since time immemorial, it’s as much a fact of life as birth it. ‘Protecting the unborn’ does no such thing in reality, what it does is injure and kill women.

@notlucreziaborgia doesn't injure or kill women. Don't be dramatic,

It literally does though. Approximately half of all abortions worldwide occur in countries where abortion is illegal, and illegal abortion is one of the leading causes of maternal mortality worldwide.

Yes it does, because if you make abortion illegal, you do not stop abortion, you drive it underground so women die or are harmed having illegal abortions.

If she didn't than the pregnant would progress and she could have given the baby to someone else who's willing to look after the baby

There are around 80,000 children in foster care around 57,000 of which are in long term foster care as they are unlikely to be adopted in England alone

Additionally there are expected to be a shortage of 25,000 foster carers in England within 3 years

So no, there are not hordes of people waiting to willing look after someone else's baby

And very rarely do pro life (forced birth) people put their money where their mouth is and actually do the adoption or fostering themselves.

Are you pro life?

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/abortion

• Key factsAbortion is a common health intervention. It is safe when carried out using a method recommended by WHO, appropriate to the pregnancy duration and by someone with the necessary skills.
• Six out of 10 of all unintended pregnancies end in an induced abortion.
• Around 45% of all abortions are unsafe, of which 97% take place in developing countries.
• Unsafe abortion is a leading – but preventable – cause of maternal deaths and morbidities. It can lead to physical and mental health complications and social and financial burdens for women, communities and health systems.
• Lack of access to safe, timely, affordable and respectful abortion care is a critical public health and human rights issue.

I have a better idea! Why don’t we establish some kind of institution where we send women to be monitored throughout from child bearing age onwards, fertilise them with sperm from high-quality donors, only provide a them with healthy food and make them exercise every day…we could create so many healthy children! 🙄

@finallyitshapoen it can though, that's the thing. Women can die due to pregnancy and childbirth. Blood clots, pre eclampsia, haemorrhage, sepsis etc. it's just not talked about but pregnancy and childbirth killed 259 women in the uk between 2019-2021.

I very much hope you’re a troll and nowhere near any child who has suffered any trauma, as you’ll be causing those children further trauma. What a vile little individual you are, if these children aren’t imaginery hopefully they’ll have the funds and resources to escape you as soon as possible.

Clearly all these bleeding hearts have never seen the damage up close that drugs and alcohol does to a child.

Why would you assume that? You don’t have access to some special insight that would change everyone’s minds if only they were able to share it.

People can be just as informed as you, even more informed, and still come to a completely different conclusion.

That’s a really stupid post.
Harm to children through drugs and alcohol is bad. Causing further harm to both children and mothers through a deeply stupid and ill thought out ‘solution’ is not the answer.

So no, there are not hordes of people waiting to willing look after someone else's baby

I think in most cases, a family member will step in to take a newborn baby. The trouble is when there a multiple siblings, older children, children with behaviour issues and complex trauma. Undoubtedly there will be a father, other family member, foster carer or adopter lined up.

So my post about how I was born with congenital disabilities was just dismissed because I am a "bleeding heart"

Where as actually what happens to many of us when we are disabled is that we fight all the more fiercely for our bodily autonomy and our rights

Because there are a section of society that thinks people like me are worthless leaches on society

All that stands between me and those people legally are my bodily autonomy and my rights

When you start advocating for forced hospitalisation, sterilisation or forced long term contraception for people not deemed suitable for childbearing due to their medical status I can promise you disabled women are not far behind.

You know this, do you? Unsurprisingly, there are very few people, family or otherwise, who want to take on the care of a baby, brain damaged by drugs and alcohol in utero. Most are looked after by foster carers. But let's just keep on allowing drug addicts and alcoholics to keep producing brain damaged children because, according to you, someone will take them.

And what if they have gone through rehab?? You’re honestly advocating for forced contraception? Backwards. Going backwards.