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To want a ban on dangerous dogs as pets?

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humanity15 · 28/08/2023 20:05

I feel this is a matter of public safety and people need to be informed.

Whilst working for a well known dog rescue charity I was attacked by a breed banned in many countries, but not here.
Because it was not banned it was taken in just like any other dog.

My story can be found on youtube.

With many years of experience in the dog sector what I see happening on our streets right now is frightening.

Those advising the government on dangerous dogs are giving bad advice and as a result putting people's lives at risk.

People do not understand dogs, especially genetics. Because of this attacks will keep happening and people are going to get killed.

All dogs have inherited characteristics. Certain ones are stronger in certain breeds depending on what they were originally bred for.

Although all dogs can bite, there is a huge difference in why they bite and this unless understood could prove fatal.

To communicate a dog will often give signals. So if it feels uncomfortable with someone coming too close it may put its ears back, cower, tuck its tail in etc.
If these signs are ignored the dog may resort to biting as a last resort.
Once it has effectively communicated, with the person moving away it will stop.

This is totally different to a dog biting because it has been bred to fight and has a strong drive to do so.

This drive has been bred into certain breeds of dogs on purpose. How strong that drive will be different for every individual dog depending on what has been passed down.
No amount of good will is going to change this.
This is your starting point before any external influences.

Instead of breeding that instinct out what we are now seeing is the result of the opposite having been done.
Individual dogs that have shown high aggression have been bred from resulting in literally ticking timebombs now out on our streets.

No amount of cute photos or affection will change this.
No dog trainer or behaviourist no matter how good can do anything because this is in the dogs genes.
All that can be done is for this instinct to be surpressed, it cannot be removed.
At some point under certain circumstances it will come out.

If you have a dog with a high drive to fight you could be in serious trouble and so can anyone who encounters that dog.

When it takes sometimes five people and tazers to get a dog off someone that is serious.

  • This is what people are not being told but what they need to know.

Dogs are not good or bad, they just are.

Just because a dog brings you something because it was bred to retrieve does not make it bad.
This is the same for a dog bred to fight. It is doing what we have basically programmed it to do.
The fact we see one instinct as acceptable and one not is not the dogs fault, it is ours.
We are the ones who have brought both these dogs into our homes and labelled them as pets.
Certain dogs should never have been expected to fulfil this role.

Dogs are not morally driven, they will not sit and contemplate what they are about to do they just react.

They have the mental age of a toddler, a young child at best.

It is so important we understand and remember this to keep everyone safe.

https://youtu.be/mHREm4pO-CI?feature=shared

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Missingmyusername · 10/09/2023 21:40

@Queencamilla better take a good, long look at the human race and add them in then!

humanity15 · 11/09/2023 03:15

THE XL-BULLY IS A KILLER BREED.

The large rescue charities have alot to answer for promoting this type of dog to the public as being the same as any other breed, thereby endangering those who believed what they said.

Had my experience at Dogs Trust been reported, the lack of care for the safety of those who worked for this charity would of been exposed long ago.
But it was kept quiet, the public were not informed and those responsible were not held accountable.
Nobody took any personal responsibility for all the safety failings at Dogs Trust or all the staff that were attacked and badly injured as a result.

Places like Dogs Trust and the RSPCA want dogs like the XL-Bully to not just remain legal here but for all others breeds currently banned to be allowed once again. These include the pitbull terrier, the breed responsible for the most deaths in America every year.

People do not understand dogs and what happened at Dogs Trust and in this video linked here is a result or that lack of understanding.

People have no idea what it is like fearing for your life whilst being attacked by a dog that you know at any second can tear you apart.
I hope people never have to find out.

Myself and a number of others have desperately been trying to warn people for a long time now.
We are few, no big names or money behind us like the big charities therefore people don't listen.

Humans bred these dogs to fight to the death. Please research the term Gameness relating to dogs bred to fight.

THESE ARE NOT LIKE OTHER DOGS.

We did this to them, they are just doing their job.
Some people have alot to answer for in this world.

I hope this opens alot of people's eyes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12501641/amp/Terrifying-moment-XL-Bully-dog-mauls-11-year-old-girl-street-crazed-animal-chases-attacks-two-men-tried-wrestle-youngster-free-jaws.html

Terrifying moment 'XL Bully' dog mauls girl, 11 before two other men

This is the horrific moment an XL Bully dog attacks a little girl before going for two men trying to save her. Police have now launched an investigation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12501641/amp/Terrifying-moment-XL-Bully-dog-mauls-11-year-old-girl-street-crazed-animal-chases-attacks-two-men-tried-wrestle-youngster-free-jaws.html

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AIstolemylunch · 13/09/2023 00:07

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/baby-sister-killed-pitbulls-memphis-b2197336.html

This is the one that staye with me (as well as Jack Lis). In the early days of reporting there was a first responder describing how the 5 month old had been pulled apart into 2 pieces with his spinal column left lying on the floor. What Jack Russell has ever done that?

Baby boy and two-year-old sister mauled to death by pet pit bulls

“Shelby County Fire paramedics transported the mother in critical condition to Regional One Health,” the Tennessee sheriff’s office says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/baby-sister-killed-pitbulls-memphis-b2197336.html

DameWhiskers · 13/09/2023 02:14

@IndiaWillyboy

Except breed - genetics - has a massive influence on behaviour.
Every word OP wrote is true.
You wouldn’t be shocked at a collie wanting to herd - at a collie LOVING to herd because they’ve been selectively bred to find it the most enjoyable thing ever.
Ditto a husky running or a terrier digging.
Dogs bred to fight ENJOY IT and will seek out that experience because they’ve been bred for it.
Pretending that “It’s all in how you raise them” just shows people’s ignorance.

Absolutely. A good amount of dogs are also chosen by their owners for their ability to guard. My neighbours' dog does this job extremely well; he barks incessantly at everything that comes near their house. In 12 years, he hasn't learned (or cared to learn) who I am, so I am ferociously barked at when I get my mail every day. I have no doubt that if there were no fence separating us, he would tear me apart. His growl tells me this, but it is his genetics driving this behaviour.

humanity15 · 14/09/2023 22:11

If anyone needs support there is a fantastic facebook group called
Protect Our Pets UK.

The scale of the problem has grown so much that tragically pet dogs are now losing their lives every day having been attacked by other dogs.

Protect Our Pets UK facebook group

Log in or sign up to view

See posts, photos and more on Facebook.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1800204616731629/

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Flufferblub · 14/09/2023 22:27

That's crazy about Dogs trust. I volunteer at cats protection, and I had to have training before going in with the cats. The staff warn me about any temperamental cats, and notes on behaviour are on the door of the pens. Any scratching or biting has to be reported. Seems OTT for little cats, but they're ultimately under ongoing assessment to see if they're suitable to be homed with children etc.

placemats · 15/09/2023 10:54

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

This has to stop. The school was rightly put into lockdown. I can't even imagine the horror of witnessing this, trying to help and the pain that man must have suffered.

Crime scene

Man attacked by two dogs near school in Stonnall dies

A man suffers fatal injuries when attacked by two dogs in a street near a school in Staffordshire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

humanity15 · 15/09/2023 13:53

XL-BULLY TO BE BANNED SAYS PRIME MINISTER

The major rescue charities have wanted not only the XL-Bully to remain legal here, but for all dogs currently banned under the dangerous dogs act to be allowed to be owned once again.

Dogs Trust has been one of these charities.
What they have failed to do themselves is to be open with the public about their own safety record, even though it is the public who funds them.

Despite all the injuries staff have suffered whilst employed at places such as Dogs Trust, these charities are quite prepared to subject their staff to more risk by campaining to bring currently banned breeds into their centres to be rehomed.

A review on rescue centres and safety surrounding them is desperately needed.

Video to inform the public about Dogs Trust can be found on youtube using the link below.
It would of been better for the charity to inform the public but so far they have chosen not to.

Prime Minister - XL-Bully to be banned

XL bullies WILL be banned as attacks claim yet more victims, PM says

In a video announcement posted to his X - formerly Twitter - account on Friday, the PM said the breed would be banned following a 'pattern of behaviour' that he said 'cannot go on'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12522459/XL-bullies-banned-attacks-claim-victims-Rishi-Sunak-finally-vows-crack-mutant-dogs-man-dies-set-two-animals-horrific-footage-emerges-boy-10-mauled-plays-outside-house.html?ico=related-replace

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slore · 17/09/2023 05:20

placemats · 15/09/2023 10:54

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

This has to stop. The school was rightly put into lockdown. I can't even imagine the horror of witnessing this, trying to help and the pain that man must have suffered.

There's a horrible video going round of this poor man being attacked. He's still alive but suffering in the video as the dogs maul him, and three men try ineffectively to help him. It's on the subreddit r/banpitbulls

These videos are important to show the uninitiated what really happens with these fighting breed dogs - when they attack, they want to kill, and they just don't stop.

Howandwhy · 17/09/2023 05:44

Soapyspuds · 28/08/2023 22:01

Realistically this will not happen. I think the best we can hope for is compulsory muzzles on any dog out in public.

THIS

Missingmyusername · 17/09/2023 08:15

News has been updated today regarding XL’s they’ll have to be neutered/spayed, kept on a lead and muzzled when out in public and insured.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 04/10/2023 11:02

The scale of the problem has grown so much that tragically pet dogs are now losing their lives every day having been attacked by other dogs

This doesn't surprise me at all. When I was on holiday I saw a really aggressive dog in the outside area of a cafe (not sure what breed, not good on dog breeds but DH thought it was some sort of bulldog) - it didn't go for humans at all, didn't even move if they walked past but it reacted aggressively to any dog that was in the vicinity. If I had had a dog, I'd have given it a very very wide berth indeed.

It was on a lead but still managed to slip away - another brave customer managed to grab it before it escaped.

humanity15 · 04/10/2023 18:56

People need to take their safety and that of their loved ones into their own hands.

The government are not protecting people, if they were we would not be seeing dogs being killed on a daily basis and so many horrific attacks and deaths of innocent people.

Please research and actively get involved.
Your safety is in your hands, do not rely on someone else.

Until something is done I am going to keep raising awareness.

The leading animal rescue charities have joined forces as The Dog Control Coalition and are campaigining to get the government to drop breed specific legislation.
This would allow not just the XL-Bully here legally but also the other currently banned breeds of dogs including Pitbull Terriers.

Dogs Trust (part of the Dog Control Coalition) have still not been honest with the public about their own safety record despite the public being the ones who fund it.

So many have been injured, some very seriously whilst working for this charity.

Dogs Trust:

  • Purposefully witheld dangerous assessments from staff.
  • Failed to tell staff dogs they were working with had injured other staff.
  • Failed to legally report under RIDDOR.
  • Ignored safety concerns raised to them.

A video to raise public awareness of Dogs Trust can be found on youtube.

Increase Safety Standards for People Working with Rescue Dogs

https://youtu.be/mHREm4pO-CI?feature=shared

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humanity15 · 04/10/2023 19:13

EFRA - The Environmental Food and Rural Affairs Commitee is due to hear evidence on the merits of a ban on the XL-Bully on the 18th October 2023.

Those it is listening to include APDAWG - The All Party Parliamentary Dog Animal Welfare Group.

This group recently ran meetings to discuss The Dog Bite Problem.
However on the topic of breed specific legislation only guest speakers wanting it to be dropped were invited to speak.
The topic was basically not even up for discussion.

The APDAWG facebook page even stopped people who had seen their own dogs injured or killed by other dogs from commenting.

The chair of the APDAWG is Rosie Duffield MP.
She is also a member of the EFRA select committee who her own group APDAWG will be presenting evidence to.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/52/environment-food-and-rural-affairs-committee/news/197535/efra-committee-to-hold-evidence-session-on-xl-bully-dogs/

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slore · 09/10/2023 04:21

Are members of the public able to attend this committee?

By the way, for campaigning I recommend joining www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls which is a very active sub. As far as they're concerned, the ban is definitely going ahead, so they would be very interested to hear of anything that will undermine or thwart this proposed ban.

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