Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

[icecream99]

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

You're right, sunlighter, people have had years of warnings.

It's a shame that TfL weren't warned in time to put in adequate public transport throughout Greater London before expanding the ULEZ, though.

@Jumpingthruhoops spoken like a true conspiracy theorist!

@RockaLock Defra’s RAG ratings are not aligned with the WHO’s guidelines.

@C8H10N4O2 are people really taking this as incentives to replace their cars more frequently? Because the message I’m getting is to reduce the number of cars in London by causing friction to car usage, not replace them all with EVs

@mrandmrsrobinson https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ulez-expansion-support-for-disabled-people

Poorer people have the most to gain since they tend to live in the most polluted areas https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/environment-and-climate-change-publications/air-pollution-and-inequalities-london-update-2023#table-of-contents

Presumably those same people are even less able to store a car.

A lot of people will only give up damaging personal behaviour when it is banned or they are hit in the pocket - this is a sad fact of life.

In the past people literally chucked shit on their own waterways rather than consider an alternative, they put up with rotting bodies resurfacing in graveyards rather than look at making cremation legal or open out of town cemetaries.

People's capacity for delusion or accepting horrific living standards rather than take a personal financial hit or inconvience seems to be quite large.

So sometimes you have to lead.

His leadership on this has made me more, not less, likely to support Sadiq Khan.

@Ginmonkeyagain

The exemptions only cover vehicles that have been adapted . It is not included for all blue badge holders.

I don't know if I support it. Khan is WEF and current chairperson of C40, which makes me wonder if this is the beginning of a bigger, sinister agenda of fifteen minute cities.

What is the problem with 15min cities?

I saw an article a few weeks back complaining about a development with no amenities and did think a 15min city would solve that?

The airport and HS2 create pollution so it's the double standards

It's all very inconsistent though.

The A22 near me is exempt for quite a few miles into the zone, to provide an escape route for people that don't want to pay, so that they can turn around at a big junction just before the first cameras. What bollocks. I don't get that luxury. So the mayor doesn't seem to care about the health of all the people living along that (very busy) road - he's happy for them to be breathing in poor quality air, for some reason. Maybe they are not poor enough for him to be bothered about.

My non-compliant diesel car does about 50mpg. My manager's older petrol car does 10mpg, but is exempt. A petrol car older than 2006 is not exempt. But if you have a petrol car older then 1973, it is exempt. I don't know, maybe they run on unicorn tears or something.

And the fact that some people with a blue badge are not exempt is quite frankly an absolute disgrace.

The timing is awful, there has been a well publicised shortage of parts for new cars for a long time, so lead times on new cars can be very long and the price of second hand cars are artificially high. Add into that a cost of living crisis, which the mayor is keen to tweet about - how rent controls/rent freezes should be implemented, along with help for (non landlord) mortgage holders; how some families are struggling to feed their families - but doesn't seem to think an extra £12.50 a day for a poorly paid shift worker to travel in when no public transport is available is a problem at all.

And to all the PPs saying that people will not change their ways until they have to - this is no doubt true, and generally speaking we do need to change and adapt in all areas of our lives.

But, how many of you have basically been bullied into spending thousands of pounds in order to change your ways? Because this is what this amounts to.

The poorest of our society can't afford cars.

HS2? An electric train? That can carry 19,800 people per hour through a very narrow corridor, making them less likely to drive or fly?

Totally agree.

And this is probably the cleanest our air has been for decades. I don't believe their figures that thousands are dying due to air pollution. Nor do I believe that children's lungs are stunted, teenagers are suffering from high blood pressure and that we're all dropping like flies. People are living longer than ever. Most of the science is debatable at best. It's just a way to plug the hole in tfls budget. Utter nonsense

Yes it's the pollution and extra traffic that the building of it has created in the locality and it doesn't stop anywhere

Loads of people's lives have been affected and countryside

I mean between London to Birmingham

Flights between most cities in the UK should be banned like they’ve done in France. There is no need to be able to fly between London and Manchester or Newcastle.

Iimecourtsureleharicot - plenty of people lock up their bikes outside, if you want to cycle you will find a way, if you don't, you don't - but lack of space is not an excuse

I dunno, the ones I have seen do seem to take up space on the pavement. They are less than ideal if there are alternatives. If there are no other ways to store bikes, though, yes, I'm totally in favor of them! More bikes and fewer cars is the way to go for vibrant city centers.

Definitely support. We had the same fuss when leaded petrol was banned. And when smoking was banned indoors. There is always someone defending their right to pollute

I oppose it (and live in Herts about 3 miles away from the new zone).

Our air quality already fails to meet EU standards by virtue of being near the M25. The ULEZ will not improve this but will, however, create more congestion and therefore air pollution around the ULEZ perimeter in our local area (as you get with the congestion charge around London on the bordering main roads).

I've had to scrap a diesel car that's just a year too old whereas my partner's 4 litre plus sports car is compliant which seems mad. You see lorries and vans belching out fumes in the ULEZ zone which I suspect is creating a lot of the air pollution, rather than passenger cars.

Either way, pay the £12.50 (or whatever it is for larger vehicles) and drive whatever you like inside the ULEZ for a fairly small fee. It's not really a disincentive and limits the air quality upside of the policy.

It feels like Khan is trying to plug a hole in his budget, particularly given the results of the Imperial study which showed it made little difference. Getting rid of his traffic calming and bike lanes might well make a difference, particularly if you live in central London which seems to be one long traffic jam.

What is the problem with 15min cities?

I saw an article a few weeks back complaining about a development with no amenities and did think a 15min city would solve that?

As long as people can leave...once Digital ID comes in for everyone, it will be very easy to prevent people from leaving their city and car travel will end completely.

Tin foil hat territory I know.

Oops....meant to bold the first two paragraphs.

Sounds very sinister