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IncognitoMam · 2023-08-26T06:29:14+00:00

This shouldn't be allowed surely? Who comes up with this shit? I'm not called Karen but I know Karen's that hate their name now because of the way it's used.

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/08/2023 15:38

Anyone in the mood for pasta? Served with copy sauce again, same as yesterday.

NotTerfNorCis · 27/08/2023 15:41

That's an American-specific definition, one of two completely different ones I'm aware of. Karen has a different meaning in the UK and Australia. In the UK it's a general insult for women. Listen to what people are telling you. You're coming across as an American cultural imperialist.

wayyour · 27/08/2023 15:42

You're blatantly spamming the thread again now @DeeCee77 the same thing over and over, with your fingers stuck in your ears. You do understand that's not appropriate?

CloudyMcCloudy · 27/08/2023 15:45

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 27/08/2023 15:02

It's the usual MO, deny, obfuscate and drown out black voices with much wailing and knashing of teeth about men, misogyny and trans women. As we know Whiteness must be centred and recognised for it's all knowing supremacy.

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Do you think women as a group are impacted by misogyny or just some?

Are white women for example immune from misogyny?

AlisonDonut · 27/08/2023 15:48

DeeCee77 · 27/08/2023 15:35

More detail on the evolution of the name for a racist white american woman who weaponizes her white privilege (the name Karen is merely incidental, that's just the current name given to a dangerous entity that has terrorized non white people for centuries).

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/14/891177904/whats-in-a-karen

What's In A 'Karen'?

White womanhood — rich or poor — was firmly placed on a pedestal, the living icon of white supremacy. Because it was so verboten to speak about white women with anything but polite deference, Black folks developed "Miss Ann" as a signifying reference; it was a moniker that allowed us to talk in code if we needed to. "You know Miss Ann: has to be right about everything, all the time!"

Karen has inherited Miss Ann's entitlement; it has been handed down, like the family silver or an antique wedding veil. She and Becky may not wear Miss Ann's hoop skirts, but they move through the world in the same way: certain of their right to be there, certain they have more right to be there than you. And it is that certainty that's so dangerous. Karen knows she can call on her own community or the state to put Black bodies where she wants them. Call the police. Think they shouldn't as you? Call the police. Angry that a child is selling ice water on a hot day on a public sidewalk near you?

Karen is much more like Miss Ann than Becky in the sense that she's aware there will be consequences when she summons help — and that those consequences will fall most harshly on Black people, usually Black men. The lynchings of Emmett Till and Claude Neal, for example, occurred because people perceived that white women's virtue needed protecting. A century ago, the entire neighborhood of Greenwood in Tulsa, Okla., was burned to the ground and scores of its residents were slaughtered after a white woman claimed assault by a Black man in the elevator she operated. (Some stories say he tripped and stepped on her foot.)

There are enough histories of Black death following in the wake of white women's displeasure in this country to make the rise of The Karens a worrisome prospect. Even when Karen is not enacting violence upon Black and brown people herself, she knows she can enlist others — especially police — to do it for her, if she wants. Isn't that what the latest Karen, Amy Cooper, did when she called the police to (falsely) report that a Black man in Central Park was threatening her and her dog? It's incidences like these that have inspired a San Francisco supervisor to introduce the Caution Against Racially Exploitative Non-Emergencies Act. If passed, the CAREN Act would make it illegal to make false reports because of racial animus.

Given the current racial tensions in the country, I'm guessing Karen will be around for a while, and it will be more than a minute before we other Karens get our name back. But while we're waiting for that time, I'm thinking about who should be the next link in Miss Ann's evolutionary chain.

I'm voting for "Madison."

What has any of this actually got to do with a woman trying to book a doctors appointment for her child's earache?

CecilyP · 27/08/2023 15:51

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 27/08/2023 15:02

It's the usual MO, deny, obfuscate and drown out black voices with much wailing and knashing of teeth about men, misogyny and trans women. As we know Whiteness must be centred and recognised for it's all knowing supremacy.

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Wailing and knashing (sic) of teeth? Come on, you’re being ridiculous now. And I don’t think anyone has mentioned transwomen (for a change) on this thread apart from you. But it’s definitely misogyny in both in is general usage and in the advert referred to. And just it’s tedious, and pretending it’s any longer to do with race to give it a spurious respectability just doesn’t work

NotTerfNorCis · 27/08/2023 15:54

I'm voting for "Madison."

Actually that would probably cause less harm outside the US.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/08/2023 15:55

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/08/2023 15:38

Anyone in the mood for pasta? Served with copy sauce again, same as yesterday.

I feel like some word salad, please. Lots of dressing to make it go down.

MeridianB · 27/08/2023 15:57

Pleasebeafleabite · 26/08/2023 08:38

Your friends need to stop attaching a label that doesn't belong to them, nor feeling annoyed over their ignorance, and also educate themselves on the misery and terror inflicted on a group of people

This is a UK site and posters are referring to its common usage in the UK as a derogatory term for assertive middle aged women. No need for the inevitable cut and paste lecture derail.

Well said @Pleasebeafleabite !

MorrisZapp · 27/08/2023 16:03

When my mum was pregnant with me, she decided that if I was a girl I would be named Laura. When I was born, they ushered my dad in afterwards to meet me and he looked at me and said 'hello Laura!'

My mum said 'this isn't Laura, it's Karen!'

And that was that 😂. I bloody love my name, it'll take more than some ill educated, meme quaffing, mouth breathing tosser to make me ashamed or embarrassed.

My motto: love Karen, hate sexism.

CecilyP · 27/08/2023 16:04

That isn’t more detail on its evolution, DeeCee77, it’s just an opinion piece justifying its usage.

CecilyP · 27/08/2023 16:08

NotTerfNorCis · 27/08/2023 15:41

That's an American-specific definition, one of two completely different ones I'm aware of. Karen has a different meaning in the UK and Australia. In the UK it's a general insult for women. Listen to what people are telling you. You're coming across as an American cultural imperialist.

She admitted yesterday that she’s neither American or black. And American usage is pretty much the same as here, but worse, if my Facebook feed is anything to go by. Nothing to do with racism!

CecilyP · 27/08/2023 16:11

MorrisZapp · 27/08/2023 16:03

When my mum was pregnant with me, she decided that if I was a girl I would be named Laura. When I was born, they ushered my dad in afterwards to meet me and he looked at me and said 'hello Laura!'

My mum said 'this isn't Laura, it's Karen!'

And that was that 😂. I bloody love my name, it'll take more than some ill educated, meme quaffing, mouth breathing tosser to make me ashamed or embarrassed.

My motto: love Karen, hate sexism.

Strength in numbers, Morris! It was the most popular girl’s name in England and Wales in the 1960’s and remained popular till the early 80s. There must be hundreds of thousands of you!

Kaz40s · 27/08/2023 16:15

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 26/08/2023 08:18

The Karen thing is just a way to silence women. I would not be buying from a company that used this in their advertising.

YES 💯. Shut up & sit down you crying bitch vibes. A way to create an inner voice in us that questions the right or ability to question or call out anything for fear of being labelled a 'Karen' 😡 Females have got above their stations, time to put them back in their box by making a socially acceptable slur & cute memes about it. Sadly many many women are too clueless to know this & have hopped right on board with it (until it happens to effect them! )

inamarina · 27/08/2023 16:24

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/08/2023 15:06

Who knew that getting upset about being called a Karen was "centering Whiteness".

Or discussing any issues in connection with men, misogyny and trans women.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 27/08/2023 16:25

Baldieheid · 27/08/2023 14:04

Y'all??

Where, exactly, are you?

What does it matter if @BillaBongGirl use Y'all? Who are you the speech police?

Wizzoh · 27/08/2023 16:28

I recently bought a product on a family members account, her name is Karen and I had a horrendous experience with the product, delivery and service.

Everytime I rang and had to give the details including the name as 'Karen' I felt incredibly embarrassed to be complaining and I swear when the representative on the phone used the name there was a hint of laughter attached. A smirk in the words.

I feel so sorry for anyone with that name.

CloudyMcCloudy · 27/08/2023 16:29

inamarina · 27/08/2023 16:24

Or discussing any issues in connection with men, misogyny and trans women.

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I believe we wail and gnash or something if it happens

Whatever it is we should just stop altogether

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/08/2023 16:31

What does it matter if @BillaBongGirluse Y'all? Who are you the speech police?

Ironically that poster has been speech-policing pretty hard on this thread.

DojaPhat · 27/08/2023 16:49

@Socrateswasrightaboutvoting It's all very just somehow.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 27/08/2023 16:58

CloudyMcCloudy · 27/08/2023 15:45

Do you think women as a group are impacted by misogyny or just some?

Are white women for example immune from misogyny?

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Misogyny affects all women irrespective of colour but Black and Brown woman also have to contend with an additional equally damaging threat in the form of women who weaponise their whiteness.

Middleagedmeangirls · 27/08/2023 17:03

I recently had extensive emergency bowel surgery outside the U.K. when I got home I contacted my GP's surgery to get referral to a specialist for follow up care. The earliest phone appointment they could offer was in 4 weeks taking it to 7 weeks after the surgery. I had to be a "Karen' and push very politely but quite hard before the receptionist miraculously found an available phone slot in a week.

If NHS practices were better financed and better run we wouldn't need to be Karens to access the healthcare we pay for.

Sadie87 · 27/08/2023 17:06

MorrisZapp · 27/08/2023 16:03

When my mum was pregnant with me, she decided that if I was a girl I would be named Laura. When I was born, they ushered my dad in afterwards to meet me and he looked at me and said 'hello Laura!'

My mum said 'this isn't Laura, it's Karen!'

And that was that 😂. I bloody love my name, it'll take more than some ill educated, meme quaffing, mouth breathing tosser to make me ashamed or embarrassed.

My motto: love Karen, hate sexism.

Karen, you’re my hero!

AlisonDonut · 27/08/2023 17:09

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 27/08/2023 16:58

Misogyny affects all women irrespective of colour but Black and Brown woman also have to contend with an additional equally damaging threat in the form of women who weaponise their whiteness.

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By phoning up doctors surgeries and wanting appointments?

TheaBrandt · 27/08/2023 17:11

By telling teenage boys to stop bothering people? By being female teachers of teens? By speaking up if given really shit service?